Random Politics & Religion #37: W/ Bubba The Love Sponge

I'm still working on missions.

The semantics are strong with this one. Okay Vic, since you seem to be so set on setting the goalposts, what is "illegal voting" in your own words?

It must not be the same definition for those that have been charged and pleaded guilty to illegal voting.

Its easy Rav, and its not even close to "semantics" lol. Illegal voting is when an illegal ballot is actually cast and counted, thus having an impact on an election. Registration fraud is common, we have been over this plenty of times. None of those cases of registration fraud that the Heritage Foundation keeps in their little database have ever had any impact on elections.

Vic is both wrong and fails at reading comprehension. Voter fraud includes registration fraud. One has to be registered to vote in order to illegally cast a ballot.

Secondly of those 1000 cases there are cases of illegal voting as well as illegal registration. But of course he just pretends those cases aren't there as if all he has do do to discredit something is simple make the claim. This is the nature of his delusional state. If evidence exists just deny it does and change the topic.

As has been stated. Voter fraud exists, i have provided ample evidence that it does. We all agree that it does happen, but we simply don’t know how much it happens. It’s impossible to quantify the legitimacy of the votes of 150 million people.

Its like speeding. We don't have the resources or the capacity to know how fast every car goes at every minute but we know people do speed in a transportation system that allows people to.

Vic has been completely discredited on this one, yet again.

I wish you luck!

EXACTLY! And those two have stepped up leaps and bounds in my opinion.

So thats how those California wildfires started...

lol, back to these lies again. He is just going in circles now. Its been made clear several times registration fraud in no way is the same thing as actual ballot fraud. Hell, I'm registered to vote in 2 states right now, doesn't mean a damn thing. No evidence has ever been posted by nausi that illegal ballots were counted. Now he is going with "Its impossible to prove, but you gotta believe me!" The numbers from every election say we don't.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Your contention here is that people try to cast on a regular basis but none of them ever succeed?

I need to clarify this, because it's nearly making my list for dumbest arguments ever.

Wow my phone sucks lately. I swear it's randomly deleting words from my posts.

No. I'm also typing from my phone, so let me clarify. Registration fraud is the most common form of voter fraud, but it's still extremely rare. And it absolutely does not mean those people are trying to vote. That guy in Virginia that registered all those dead people to vote, no ballots were cast. But that didn't stop the heritage foundation from adding him to their little database.

So we've got illegal voter registration with no intent to vote?

Makes sense.

That's what most of the convictions are for, yes. And most of those convictions the Heritage Foundation love to claim are people are getting nabbed for fraudulently registering other people to vote, who of course, don't vote. Widespread ballot fraud continues to be a huge myth in this country, as every election proves. It just doesn't happen, the States take it seriously, and with a few outlying counties, like Broward in Florida, its never an issue.

Yeah, you still haven't even come close to proving that it never happens (which is an impossible claim to prove in the first place). Is not even that hard to cast an illegal vote on some areas. You're thing me that with how insane people get over politics that absolutely nobody is doing it? Occam's Razor is not on your side.

Screw it, I'm getting on my work phone to post....

Your phone is really bad lol, most of the time we can at least decipher it >.>
After the 2016 election we saw Trump claim with no evidence he lost the popular vote because of illegal voting, a lie that was debunked that day and was just recently revived by nausi, again with zero evidence. That Trump claim really kicked nausi's conspiracy into overdrive, he had been maintaining it for years, but its like Trump threw him a lifeline. It is still sinking, and we still haven't had any elections swung by illegal votes.

The initial number of illegal votes found in '16 was 4, two of those people were legally eligible but voted twice. That number hasn't gone up. 4 out of 150m. No dead people voted, and I haven't seen any credible evidence that dead people have ever voted, (I'm sure the Heritage Foundation has 1 claim in their little database) and no noncitizen's votes were counted.
We know in '18 there was 1 noncitizen that cast a ballot in Florida, and it was tossed. That's what happens, they don't get through. You can claim its easy to cast an illegal vote (its not), but its pretty much impossible for that vote to actually make it through and be counted. Saevel likes to claim California lets it happen because it doesn't alter the outcome, but he has no evidence. We are talking single digits, or less, every election. If you want to claim victory by saying .0000000005% is not "never," go right ahead. It wouldn't make it on mythbusters.

The key word there is "found". Lax voting laws make it easy for illegal votes to not be "found".

And that's why its a conspiracy. "Lax voting laws." Ok, which counties do you think have problems with illegal votes? I'm sure you will latch onto California, that's where the conspiracy lives, and that's why nausi thinks he can get away with saying its impossible to prove.

Also, I ignored the scandal in North Carolina, because that wasn't illegal voting, that was actually criminal misconduct when it comes to handling ballots and registration forms. The person going to prison for that did have an effect on the election, but not because illegal votes were cast.

Now I'm curious if the Heritage Foundation added the North Carolina scandal to its little database, or did it not qualify because it was by a Republican campaign?

Here, I'll help you out.

"Illegal voting never happens." <- Stupid statement. Unprovable.

"There are not a lot of recorded instances of illegal voting." <- Reasonable statement. If accurate, can be backed up with sources.

Was that so hard?

Let's take a look at my argument pyramid

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Well, unless you're a fat lady buying shoes.

I have done paid voter registration. You get payed for every person you register. There are a few stupid scammers who try to pad their pay by making false registrations. They almost always get caught. Even if they aren't no one ever votes from those registrations.

YAY!

I have been telling you to stop posting from your phone for MONTHS.

I've seen vic you every dumb argument you can use all in one post.