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By Asura.Massacres 2018-05-22 23:55:11
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Is the mythic brd dagger worth it? I would love to push my brd to the max but i can't really justify spending 150+ mil just for 50% song duration, Since my buff songs are already 4-5 min w/o NT. As for debuff duration, Particularly sleep, The duration is more than enough for all endgame stuff.
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By geigei 2018-05-23 00:17:35
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12min songs are pretty. For me the problem is not the gil but the ***you have to do around it.
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By Asura.Massacres 2018-05-23 00:18:21
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12min with w/o NT?
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By Asura.Solymr 2018-05-23 00:25:35
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I'll tell you what I enjoy about it. Full time N/T. With nitro songs lasting a couple of minutes longer than the N/T timers it means singing 6x an hour max. That frees me up to do any number of other things. The CP parties I was in getting to master were so fast I honestly dont think I could have kept things staged adequately without that luxury. The increased debuff length doesn't come into play as often but can be helpful in certain ambus etc.

It is definitely a luxury item. And for utility it just doesn't match up with something like yagrush. But for the few folks that call bard a 'main' instead of equipping a 2box to sing for them it is a differentiator. Undoubtedly the last of the rema a brd should get imo.
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By geigei 2018-05-23 00:28:36
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12min with nt.
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By Odin.Kealoha 2018-05-23 00:31:57
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So yeah, basically by the time your songs end, N/T is ready to use again. Makes it convenient.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Haxxor 2018-05-23 00:45:58
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Every one of these; "Is ... worth it?" are troll post and you guys always fall for this ***. C'mon...

Wait for the people to post saying it's not needed and a luxury item.. oh wait
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By Asura.Sechs 2018-05-23 01:26:54
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Carnwenhan is, in random order

1) A Nice (but no longer BiS) option for ddBRD
2) One of the best options for duration and macc on debuffs
3) The best option for buff duration

Last point is clearly the item seller. It allows you to ride Marcato (50% more potency on one song) and NiTro fulltime, meaning in those ~10 mins you're free to do other things (support, dd, afk, w/e), which generates an interesting change in how you play BRD.

It's kinda a moot point if you're doing content with frequent dispels, because that will *** you up.
During the era when we were spamming Incursion for instance, with its very frequent dispelga, Carnwenhan was pretty meh.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Senaki 2018-05-23 10:06:37
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Quetzalcoatl.Haxxor said: »
Every one of these; "Is ... worth it?" are troll post and you guys always fall for this ***. C'mon...

100% not true. People are asking the community their opinions on expensive gears to get a second opinion on its value. It is a perfectly legitimate thing to do before you invest tons of time or gil into something.
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2018-05-23 10:34:06
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Asura.Massacres said: »
I would love to push my brd to the max but i can't really justify spending 150+ mil just for 50% song duration,


You pretty much answered your own question.
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2018-05-23 10:36:41
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And that's not to say it's not worth it, I'm in the middle of making one myself. Mostly to be like "ALL THE BARD TOYS!" and then swear endlessly when NiTro songs get dispelled within 30 seconds of a fight. But I knew that going into it.
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By Odin.Drakenv 2018-05-23 10:44:09
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Fenrir.Richybear said: »
And that's not to say it's not worth it, I'm in the middle of making one myself. Mostly to be like "ALL THE BARD TOYS!" and then swear endlessly when NiTro songs get dispelled within 30 seconds of a fight. But I knew that going into it.
Then you will be a hot teddy bear bard!?
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By Asura.Massacres 2018-06-02 05:18:02
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Can anyone tell me what's the max duration of their song w/o NT but with carn + other full duration gear?
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By Asura.Chiaia 2018-06-02 07:13:58
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Asura.Massacres said: »
Can anyone tell me what's the max duration of their song w/o NT but with carn + other full duration gear?
Really to vague of a question. Some songs have more or less gear then others and are you popping certain Job Point enhanced JAs before a certain song, not just NITRO.

Take Victory March
50% Carny
40% Ghorn (This could be 30-50% depending on what REA you are using for a song. Though you really wouldn't cast most songs in anything but a GHorn)
30% Moonbow Whistle +1
12% Fili Hongreline +1
17% Inyanga Shalwar +2
15% Brioso Slippers +3
5% 1200 JP Gift
0-30% Song X gear(10% in this case - Fili Manchettes +1)
No JAs at all
Total: 179% Duration+

120 seconds base duration

floor(120 x 2.79) = 5m 34s (Exactly what I get in game too.)

That same setup replace the Carny with Kali (50% vs 5%) would be a 4m 40s Victory March instead.

Before any JAs are used Carny is always going to be worth 54 extra seconds on a song vs a Kali. (120 x .45)
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By Phoenix.Gerrott 2018-06-02 10:14:33
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I don't think anyone has mentioned but the duration is more than just convenience, the duration on SV songs is pretty awesome.
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