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By Vaerix 2022-04-19 03:05:43
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
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You have no issues to reach 80% with SC/MB? Because I'm not so sure if Magic Bursts are really worth the risk of getting Diabolos / Luopan killed by AoEs and loosing the 21 seconds recast on BPs / HQ Malaise.
When we did Ongo I was spamming Night Terror with a BST doing TP Drainkiss* and reached 75% several times w/o MB. I have never managed to reach 74% (Sforzo / Tulfaire phase) until we added a NIN though.
*Mewing Lullaby also works but rotating between 2 avatars sucks if you want to keep the lowest BP recast possible.

No, I've always hit 80% though one time it didn't quite get below 80% so the second phase started at 85% instead of 80. I have gotten it down to I think 77%? I think. The MB's made quite a difference and generally I only lose one or two BP timers to deaths.

The pld ws and the rng closes it. We did have issues with Diabolos dying at first so I just have him run in BP and then retreat. The bst drainkissing helps as well but doesn't prevent all tp attacks. BOG/EA malaise I am curious about. Even with Widended compass it can't get out of range of everything. So perhaps we could have the rng self sc and reduce tp feed? Or perhaps have the pld and rng use a SB set? I dunno.

When our group did 2 KI Ongo kills it was SMN/PLD/NIN/RDM/DRK/WHM. Leaving SCH/BRD/GEO/COR/BLM/RUN for second KI.

The Nin was self SC Blade: Hi > Blade: Hi, and bursting along with the RDM and Diabolos Night Terror. The extra bursts weren't spectacular, but 3k bursts from the RDM and NIN might not seem like alot but it all adds up over 15 minutes.

When we got the kill we got to sforzo and timed out shortly after for the second KI to start immediately at aura/1hr.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2022-04-19 06:45:34
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Our group did phase 1 as Smn Pld Geo Blu Bst Rng

Leaving Phase 2 as Blm Run Sch Cor Brd Rdm
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2022-04-19 12:27:57
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
The pld ws and the rng closes it. We did have issues with Diabolos dying at first so I just have him run in BP and then retreat. The bst drainkissing helps as well but doesn't prevent all tp attacks. BOG/EA malaise I am curious about. Even with Widended compass it can't get out of range of everything. So perhaps we could have the rng self sc and reduce tp feed? Or perhaps have the pld and rng use a SB set? I dunno.
I tried to turn away(on PLD) whenever I had TP to reduce TP feed, but it sometimes results in a missed SC, when it uses the TP move that like halves your TP.

I could look into Subtle Blow stuff, but being in range and the mob's target, I have certain defensive requirements I need to maintain.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2022-05-11 21:02:58
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I had Baayami+1 on my shopping list when I last played seriously, but now I have come back and cannot remember why. It looks good for:
* Body - Elemental Siphon (+2 MP over telchine!!!)
* All - BP Ward duration
* All - Avatar's Favor testing

Is there something I am missing? I can't imagine I was lining up to spend 100mil on another 20 seconds worth of Inferno Howl duration.
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By Asura.Jyubeii 2022-05-11 21:18:30
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precast bloodpact uses 4/5
feet are best idle
body is nice for sird when it is needed

ward duration definitely the main appeal though
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By Siren.Kruel 2022-05-12 07:09:07
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Prior to master levels, it was one of the pieces you could use to get 670 summoning skill for 21 second recast.

Maybe that was why you had it on your shopping list?
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By Lakshmi.Avereith 2022-05-12 07:13:20
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The feet get an extra refresh so it was nice, and I have them for the extra skill that was needed pre-master levels
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-05-12 08:20:52
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Do we know if there's a potential tier to get 20 seconds recast? There should be.

All tiers are separated by 65 skill points, except the last one which requires 95 skill for some reason.
There could be another tier at +65 skill i.e. 735+, or maybe 765+, neither of which are currently reachable I'm afraid, and won't be even after ML50's +50 skill.
Unless some new gear comes out of course.
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By Siren.Kruel 2022-05-12 08:26:28
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Asura.Sechs said: »
Do we know if there's a potential tier to get 20 seconds recast? There should be.

All tiers are separated by 65 skill points, except the last one which requires 95 skill for some reason.
There could be another tier at +65 skill i.e. 735+, or maybe 765+, neither of which are currently reachable I'm afraid, and won't be even after ML50's +50 skill.
Unless some new gear comes out of course.

There's a new favor tier at 735, and 736 "is" posssible.

But not worth it having to drop the Beckoner's Horn.

When we get the master level 40 increase in June we can do some testing then.

Edit. nevermind, with current gear even with master level 40 we'll be 7-8 short of the new tier while using the Beckoner's Horn +1.

738 will be possible at master level 50 with current gear (and beckoner's horn +1), but might not matter, we'll most likely have +2 or +3 Beckoner's horn by then, so may be able to reach it earlier depending on how much skill increase it gives.
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By Bahamut.Jedigamer 2022-05-12 08:33:33
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I got an Udug from trove yesterday and have been trying to find sets to use it in for my SMN and am drawing a blank. I am trying to talk myself out of dropping since it seems worthless but was looking for feedback. Anyone use it for anything on SMN?
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-05-12 08:33:56
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Beckoner's Horn is gonna be +3 soon (July?), but will likely still have less SMN skill than Bayaami +1.


Bahamut.Jedigamer said: »
I got an Udug from trove yesterday and have been trying to find sets to use it in for my SMN and am drawing a blank. I am trying to talk myself out of dropping since it seems worthless but was looking for feedback. Anyone use it for anything on SMN?
Resist Sleep/DT10 for master? Engaged set for Master with decent amount of Acc and DT?
Ungh... but with Bunzi's Robe out there I'm not even sure it's worth it.

It's quite awesome (possibly BiS?) on PUP, for Automaton Nuking.
Not sure if it has any use in BST, for some Ready moves based on Macc/Mab maybe?
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By Siren.Kruel 2022-05-12 08:37:40
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Bahamut.Jedigamer said: »
I got an Udug from trove yesterday and have been trying to find sets to use it in for my SMN and am drawing a blank. I am trying to talk myself out of dropping since it seems worthless but was looking for feedback. Anyone use it for anything on SMN?
I hate to say a piece isn't of any use, because pretty much everything in game has a niche use at the least, but Udug for smn unfortunately does not.

Unless you got it before any of the other good smn body pieces.

Then I suppose you could use it till then.

There's better avatar MAB, magic acc bodies in the game, and things like nyame mail are better for dt sets and such.

As Sechs said above though, Udug is very good for PUP.
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By Bahamut.Jedigamer 2022-05-12 08:46:31
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My PUP will forever stay at level 1. Wish I would've taken someone with me to sell it. Hindsight!
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-05-12 08:56:50
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Siren.Kruel said: »
As Sechs said above though, Udug is very good for PUP.
Very good for something that you very rarely do on PUP so it's kinda ironic... but if you're hot for automaton nuking on PUP I think that's still the best piece available in game, by far above any other option afaik.
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By Asura.Jdove 2022-05-14 19:40:28
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Bahamut.Jedigamer said: »
I got an Udug from trove yesterday and have been trying to find sets to use it in for my SMN and am drawing a blank. I am trying to talk myself out of dropping since it seems worthless but was looking for feedback. Anyone use it for anything on SMN?
I used to use it for PDT on smn but there are better options now.
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By Valefor.Kriz 2022-05-14 19:49:18
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Udug is a nice lockstyle, worth it for that.

Yes, there's the Windy Campaign body too, but that requires doing a lot of medal ranks.

I may be biased as it's the body my favorite Mithra uses, https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Mikhe_Aryohcha
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By Nariont 2022-05-14 21:03:21
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Bahamut.Jedigamer said: »
I got an Udug from trove yesterday and have been trying to find sets to use it in for my SMN and am drawing a blank. I am trying to talk myself out of dropping since it seems worthless but was looking for feedback. Anyone use it for anything on SMN?

SMN is lowest on the priority order in usefulness sadly, BST gets most use out of it since their next best is valorous which has trash pet augs when it comes to magic, then pup which has similar but slightly better(helps INT has a good impact on nukes for them too compared to bst) then smn where you have other high end alternatives to choose from
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By Asura.Frod 2022-05-16 19:49:37
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Bahamut.Jedigamer said: »
I got an Udug from trove yesterday and have been trying to find sets to use it in for my SMN and am drawing a blank. I am trying to talk myself out of dropping since it seems worthless but was looking for feedback. Anyone use it for anything on SMN?
Elemental spirit casting!
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By Bismarck.Dekusutaa 2022-05-17 20:55:19
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I idle in Udug, the DT and resist is nice

What's the consensus on Sroda Earring? replace Gelos on DA builds? would it beat Gelos on single hit physicals and that don't benefit from DA?
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By Seun 2022-05-17 21:26:52
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What's the consensus on Sroda Earring? replace Gelos on DA builds? would it beat Gelos on single hit physicals and that don't benefit from DA?

I'm still curious whether the DA applies to the master or the pet. It's not really clear from the description.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2022-05-17 21:32:24
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The DA is for the player
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By Bismarck.Dekusutaa 2022-05-17 21:41:36
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Good to know. would the pet damage +10 still beat out +5 BP damage from Gelos?
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2022-05-18 00:02:17
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Asura.Sechs said: »
It's quite awesome (possibly BiS?) on PUP, for Automaton Nuking.
Not sure if it has any use in BST, for some Ready moves based on Macc/Mab maybe?

Nariont said: »
SMN is lowest on the priority order in usefulness sadly, BST gets most use out of it since their next best is valorous which has trash pet augs when it comes to magic, then pup which has similar but slightly better(helps INT has a good impact on nukes for them too compared to bst) then smn where you have other high end alternatives to choose from

Agreed with the priority of BST > PUP > SMN.

For BST, it's BiS for any magical ready moves (MAB for damage, and more importantly the Macc helps effects land). That includes some fairly commonly used moves too: Corrosive Ooze, Purulent Ooze, TP Drainkiss, Fireball, Molting Plumage, etc.

For PUP, it's easily BiS for automaton nukes. I just don't think that's nearly as important for the job as BST's ready moves are for that job.

For SMN, it's... nice lockstyle gear. Used to be amazing idle DT- gear too, but post-Odyssey I think it has been replaced for that purpose. I'd rather idle in Bunzi for the same DT-10% and higher Meva and MDB (giving up resist sleep).

But, like... don't drop an Omen body! You'd kick yourself getting rid of something THAT rare that still has BiS applications for BST or PUP if you ever decide to play those jobs.
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