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By Lakshmi.Ryanx 2015-03-19 03:15:10
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maby these new add ons reqire you to have all mission lines complete to do? that would be fantastic
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By Asura.Roczilla 2015-03-19 03:17:04
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Lakshmi.Ryanx said: »
maby these new add ons reqire you to have all mission lines complete to do? that would be fantastic

That sounds awful.
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By Kimble2013 2015-03-19 03:17:21
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Valefor.Sapphire said: »
Nexon is just doing the mobile client that will talk to the XI servers and be a way to remotely play the game, people need to calm down. Nexon is not touching the game design/balanace.


"Going forward, FINAL FANTASY XI will aim to transform into a completely new format on the mobile environment so that players can easily experience Vana'diel whenever and wherever they want."

I dunno, sounds like to me its more then just a client. Guess we wont know for sure till we get to 2016
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2015-03-19 03:18:37
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this begs the question of whether or not they are bumping up ilevel never, once, or with each mini expansion like abyssea since that has some far reaching effects on existing content being viable/worthwhile to do.

I don't think they really need to bump up anything one more time except maybe RMEs and they might as well say f it and make an ergon weapon for the other 20jobs.
Or better yet add another sidegrade RME type ultimate weapon in the last mini expansion.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Bloodpool 2015-03-19 03:20:07
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Asura.Twillin said: »
I had hoped to find something in that announcement that would get me excited to play more than just a few hours a week... Instead it kinda talked me into just quitting
Absolutely this
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By Chimerawizard 2015-03-19 03:20:31
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From the last 5 pages on the thread, I'd say SE just played leapfrogshark for a hour.
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By Mookies 2015-03-19 03:20:58
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They don't need to bump ilvl if they put interesting abilities/stats on the gear.
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By Asura.Dakenx 2015-03-19 03:21:06
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So everyone has wanted them to drop PS2 and X-Box 360 with good reason. They wanted FFXI to grown and expand to be a better game. I really hope people realize that they got NONE of that with them dropping the two systems. They just want 2 less things to worry about while they allow people to play a watered down version on your phone from everything we are gathering. So really in the end no one wins with this. People will quit because they don't want to switch to computer and then the computer players are not getting anything enhanced for them. The computer players will struggle even more to find members(more people play on PS2 & X Box than you would think) to do the same content that has nothing new to offer if the updates are just balancing.

I have been playing the game since 2004 and really uncertain of my future on the game from this announcement. I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling this way. The mini-expansions sound like they could be a nice finale they are banking on people's nostalgia to keep them on. I really see this as being the final year for many of us and then some of us will just stop today or very soon. I am the last to be a doomsday poster about FFXI because I hate those posts. I'm also not saying this is the end of FFXI because there will be people that will stay on just like they have with other MMOs. I just think they really went the wrong way here for most of their market.
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By Elazar1 2015-03-19 03:22:12
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So we might have a little over a year left, guess all good things have to end...
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2015-03-19 03:22:18
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will cheats work on mobile devices? woops there goes the NA player base.

Sure they will. Just have to jailbreak your phone first, to run the third party bots.
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By Heimdel 2015-03-19 03:27:39
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This just makes me sad thinking about how many friends will vanish with the end of ps2/360 support.
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By Lakshmi.Ryanx 2015-03-19 03:29:22
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hmmm guess got to get busy unlocking the xbox 360 achivments
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2015-03-19 03:29:57
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Asura.Dakenx said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Asura.Dakenx said: »
Is this officially FFXI "Jumping the Shark?"
No, that's already happened.

Heimdel said: »
Nexon has a bad rep as a developer?
That would be an understatement.

Good point that happened with the level cap increase to 99. Now this is like Fonzie did a u-turn and jumped the shark a 2nd time got it.
99 cap itself wasn't necessarily a shark jumping scenario. They were on the right track. Abyssea was a much-needed reset button to revitalize a stagnant meta, it just had too much power creep and imbalance with the third scenario. 99 cap introduced new alliance content, though they *** it up with terrible droprates and a botched proc system. It also revitalized old content in a desirable way - still some errors here (Synergy tatter augment RNG, low content lifespan for Nyzul and Salvage sans Alex farming) but again they had the right idea. Meebles was a mediocre attempt at MMM v2 that didn't really learn from the original's mistakes.

The one major criticism I'd levy against that phase of the game (and I don't mean to understate this) is dual-natured, namely the interactions between alliance content (and some party content) design and PD/Embrava. Everything was mob AoEs, zerging, etc.

From where I stand, the post-Adoulin era is where they really jumped the shark. They had an opportunity to create slow, healthy progression similar to (perhaps slightly more vertical than) 75 cap's early years (pre-WotG). Instead we got ilevels, stat vomit, and insane power creep in balancing. Good design principles were basically abandoned - as cool as I think it is that BLU is a top DD now, from what I can tell it's a top DD largely for the wrong reasons. Maybe some of the side content is good, I haven't looked hard enough to get any real idea there, but the core of the game has gone in a very unappealing direction. The results speak for themselves.

I might return briefly for the last hurrah and put a bow on my retail XI experience, but only for the sake of capping things off and seeing what's effectively the end of XI's story. And playing with BLU's new toys for a while just because, I guess. Even then I'm far from sold on the idea. This is effectively the end of XI in a very real way and it's going to have immediate negative repercussions.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-03-19 03:30:36
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If you aren't happy about the announcement, why not arrange a boycott?
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By Elazar1 2015-03-19 03:30:41
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Heimdel said: »
This just makes me sad thinking about how many friends will vanish with the end of ps2/360 support.
I think we will a lot more sooner, we might have 2 to 3 years left at a push
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By Mookies 2015-03-19 03:30:51
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Heimdel said: »
This just makes me sad thinking about how many friends will vanish with the end of ps2/360 support.

You can play the PC version with a controller. There isn't a huge difference. And a PC from 15 years ago could run this game so... if they actually care about their account they will make the switch.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2015-03-19 03:31:38
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I'm 50/50 on deactivating tomorrow and returning in November to finish everything off.
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By Lakshmi.Aelius 2015-03-19 03:32:58
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This press conference was the final attempt for them to sway me back into the game.

I think not. It's not worth it. The game will be completely dead in 2 years.
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By Shiva.Tahngarthor 2015-03-19 03:34:29
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Nexon is a publisher of (and operates servers for) online games on PC and mobile, not a developer.

Saying they have a bad rep is going a little too far. they have some decent games under their umbrella, the only thing really bad about nexon is pretty much all their games are heavily pay-to-win. Of course, we know that's not really likely a possibility for FFXI, but how that's going to work is anybody's guess.
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By Cerberus.Demonsgate 2015-03-19 03:36:24
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I was very close to coming back still might come back to make sure I can keep in touch with some old friends best thing that came out of the game for me was online friends
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-19 03:38:33
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2010: FFXI is dying soon.
2011: FFXI is dying soon.
2012: FFXI is dying soon.
2013: FFXI is dying soon.
2014: FFXI is dying soon.
2015: FFXI is dying soon.

The struggle goes on!
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2015-03-19 03:38:35
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Also have to say I'm really not sold on the idea of future content potentially being built around the demands of a mobile platform. Either it waters down core content and/or it somehow features platform-exclusive content. I'd be surprised if they managed to avoid both of those potential pitfalls.
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By Sylph.Elwynbelwyn 2015-03-19 03:39:27
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Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
Fenrir.Celdwn said: »
will cheats work on mobile devices? woops there goes the NA player base.
Sure they will. Just have to jailbreak your phone first, to run the third party bots.
I think it mostly depends on whether they have an offline mode. If they do then it's PSO dupe hacks all the way. If it has to remain connected to the server (well how could you have "multi" otherwise?) then hacks will be limited to the kind of stuff we already see today, like pos hacks... and yes, bots.

Of course that depends on them actually releasing it outside of Japan. They never said anything about that.
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By Lakshmi.Aelius 2015-03-19 03:40:30
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
2010: FFXI is dying soon.
2011: FFXI is dying soon.
2012: FFXI is dying soon.
2013: FFXI is dying soon.
2014: FFXI is dying soon.
2015: FFXI is dying soon.
2016: holy crap, it's really dying. :o
2017: We regret to inform you....

The struggle ends!

ftfy
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By Heimdel 2015-03-19 03:41:26
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Also have to say I'm really not sold on the idea of future content potentially being built around the demands of a mobile platform. Either it waters down core content and/or it somehow features platform-exclusive content. I'd be surprised if they managed to avoid both of those potential pitfalls.


Ok I'm confused on this. The transcript they released it says after the 3 updates they will only be doing bug and balance fixes as they come along.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2015-03-19 03:41:42
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Sylph.Elwynbelwyn said: »
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
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will cheats work on mobile devices? woops there goes the NA player base.
Sure they will. Just have to jailbreak your phone first, to run the third party bots.
I think it mostly depends on whether they have an offline mode. If they do then it's PSO dupe hacks all the way. If it has to remain connected to the server (well how could you have "multi" otherwise?) then hacks will be limited to the kind of stuff we already see today, like pos hacks... and yes, bots.

Of course that depends on them actually releasing it outside of Japan. They never said anything about that.
We can safely assume the mobile app is slated for worldwide release given that only the Grandmasters game specifies JP-exclusive release (at least at present) in the conference digest. There is no such note under the mobile app.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2015-03-19 03:42:21
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Heimdel said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Also have to say I'm really not sold on the idea of future content potentially being built around the demands of a mobile platform. Either it waters down core content and/or it somehow features platform-exclusive content. I'd be surprised if they managed to avoid both of those potential pitfalls.


Ok I'm confused on this. The transcript they released it says after the 3 updates they will only be doing bug and balance fixes as they come along.
Clarification: "future" in that post is "anything that comes out at any point after right now".
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By ventas 2015-03-19 03:42:22
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As much as I hate to admit it...

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We plan for this to be a grand conclusion to the FINAL FANTASY series' first MMORPG--and indeed, the first console MMORPG--in a way that will be recorded in the annals of the genre's history.

Yes... this means its pretty much the last strain of the game...

The only ray of hope I may have is that if mobile client takes back enough ppl they might make another expansion, but is pretty doubtful...

So ffxi lifespan has been set to 2-3 more years. (ノД`)・゜・。
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By Heimdel 2015-03-19 03:43:41
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Heimdel said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Also have to say I'm really not sold on the idea of future content potentially being built around the demands of a mobile platform. Either it waters down core content and/or it somehow features platform-exclusive content. I'd be surprised if they managed to avoid both of those potential pitfalls.


Ok I'm confused on this. The transcript they released it says after the 3 updates they will only be doing bug and balance fixes as they come along.
Clarification: "future" in that post is "anything that comes out at any point after right now".

The scenario will consist of three separate chapters, debuting in the May, August, and November version updates, respectively.
Coming along with the scenario are exciting new battle content, never-before-seen rewards, and a variety of other additions to engage players of all different stripes.
We plan for this to be a grand conclusion to the FINAL FANTASY series' first MMORPG--and indeed, the first console MMORPG--in a way that will be recorded in the annals of the genre's history.

FINAL FANTASY XI's major version updates will conclude with the implementation of the final chapter of Rhapsodies of Vana'diel, but there will continue to be minor version updates that address bugs and contain various balance adjustments.
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By Lakshmi.Aelius 2015-03-19 03:44:33
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All good things must come to an end.
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