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By Feuce 2019-02-08 02:09:32
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Question, does Pet Crit effect Pet Magic Attacks? In this case it's Cursed Sphere from Headbreaker Ken. I'm trying to figure out best Alluvion skirmish augments for a MAB set.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk 2019-02-08 05:31:06
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Feuce said: »
Question, does Pet Crit effect Pet Magic Attacks? In this case it's Cursed Sphere from Headbreaker Ken. I'm trying to figure out best Alluvion skirmish augments for a MAB set.
I've never seen gear with pet magicial crit +

Normal Pet Crit + is only for physical.

I don't understand why you would want alluvion skirmish armor for this instead of Valorous Armor from Reisenjima.

the main page for this guide shows the BiS pieces. Sure, Udug is a real challenge to get, but valorous w/ pet mab augments is just great.
best augments for pet magic ready moves are pet mab and pet int.
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By Asura.Fondue 2019-02-08 06:28:24
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does guttler have any purpose currently?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk 2019-02-08 06:31:33
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Asura.Fondue said: »
does guttler have any purpose currently?

it talks to you as it guzzlers blood.

I don't have Guttler though, can't really say.

You can get potentially higher pet attack bonus from Aftermath.
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By Kronkeykong 2019-02-08 09:32:42
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I've been looking into making a Melee BST. I really like the idea of Guttler Onslaught spam with Chapuli for Darkness.

Thoughts on the new Axe?

Sounds like it's not a Typo.

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Kaja Axe DMG:188 Delay:288 DEX+10 INT+10 MND+10 Accuracy+35 Attack+25 Magic Accuracy+35 "Magic Atk. Bonus"+13 Magic Damage +217 Axe skill +242 Parrying skill +242 Magic Accuracy skill +242 Main hand: "Decimation" "Decimation" damage +120%
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By Shiva.Malthar 2019-02-08 09:37:08
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Aymur gives you better pet attack.
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By Asura.Epigram 2019-02-08 10:17:31
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I'm slowly working on my Aymur (very slowly), but I do have an R-15 Guttler (originally got it in 2008, so I'm a bit attached to it)

Guttler works well as an easy double darkness with DNC sub for reverse flourish and with Chapuli in the middle. Relative to Aymur, the buffs are a bit more on the player side relative to the pet. But, you don't give up on pet buffs as you would with Aeonic or Empy.

Aymur R-15 is likely a better option overall, but R-15 Guttler is a little cheaper.

I'm still interested in determining how the +10% is applied relative to food and COR buffs. For the purposes of completion I'll post the results here when I have time.
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By Kronkeykong 2019-02-08 11:16:16
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Asura.Epigram said: »
I'm slowly working on my Aymur (very slowly), but I do have an R-15 Guttler (originally got it in 2008, so I'm a bit attached to it)

Guttler works well as an easy double darkness with DNC sub for reverse flourish and with Chapuli in the middle. Relative to Aymur, the buffs are a bit more on the player side relative to the pet. But, you don't give up on pet buffs as you would with Aeonic or Empy.

Aymur R-15 is likely a better option overall, but R-15 Guttler is a little cheaper.

I'm still interested in determining how the +10% is applied relative to food and COR buffs. For the purposes of completion I'll post the results here when I have time.


Yeah, I don't know if I'm pipe-dreaming but I feel like they really want BST to fight with it's pet, and it only makes sense that the master is going to do more damage, so gear yourself first, Pet Second (Unless Zerging/Safe Stratting). - Ala PUP and DRG. Except the BST Pet has a Weaponskill Set that lets it actually burst and skillchain.

I just find it boring to stand around and only let the pet do it's job.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk 2019-02-08 13:44:00
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Shiva.Malthar said: »
Aymur gives you better pet attack.

Aymur gives pet: Attack Bonus V (which is 60 Attack) Yes pets like randy will get alot more than 60 from it, but they wlll get more than 10% from Guttler aftermath also.

During Aftermath, Guttler gives Attack bonus 10%.

Anytime the Pet's base Attack is greater than 600 for the pet, Guttler's aftermath will give greater attack bonus. I think only the mosquito has attack lower than 600 of the ilvl 119 pets.

however, This is only during Aftermath.

Then again, you can get an Attack bonus from Aymur's aftermath level 2 also. I don't think i've ever tested exact values on that. Bgwiki says the attack bonus will be between 50 and 99.

So if comparing Aymur aftermath with Guttler aftermath, Aymur can win, but you are trading am2 for am3. Which is why I said Guttler is POTENTIALLY better attack bonus for pet. It is situational. randy's base attack is 1266, which is already up to 1442 at master level. Guttler should give a bigger attack bonus in this situation. It depends on then the multipication happens in the equation.

Typically Aymur is much more advantageous and flexible for pet bonus.

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Yeah, I don't know if I'm pipe-dreaming but I feel like they really want BST to fight with it's pet, and it only makes sense that the master is going to do more damage, so gear yourself first, Pet Second (Unless Zerging/Safe Stratting). - Ala PUP and DRG. Except the BST Pet has a Weaponskill Set that lets it actually burst and skillchain.

You are not pipe dreaming. SE obviously wants us to fight alongside pet. And its not a bad strategy. However, i think SE has been heavy handed in trying to force master to engage with the distance nerf. its a pretty stupid nerf.

Also, I don't 100% agree that master 'ofcourse' does better damage than pet. On lower level content, master cannot keep up w/ pet at all.

I feel like master and pet are relatively balanced with each other, and the player has to play trade offs on which he wants to focus on in different situations.

If you have party buffs from geo/cor/brd all focused on master, the master will definitely do alot more damage. If you have buffs from cor/geo that benefit pet, then pet will pull ahead.

If your gear completely bufffs pet and neglects master, then your pet will do more and vice versa.

I was farming Domain Invasion alot last couple weeks to work on another Aeonic weapon.

Solo'ing Quetz I changed things up alot experimenting w/ different weapons. (because i'm pretty terrible at a mindless continuous grind)

Aymur & Artoi Vs Pangu & Ankus vs Tri-edge and Fernagu

and several different configurations of these weapons.

I also used vickie, or peter or patrick or bredo or arthur for pets.

Using Weapons aside from Aymur when both pet and master are engaged is a big drop for pet damage. without aymur, Vickie was only doing around 5k sweeping gouge. With Aymur it ws usually closer to 8k.

with Pangu, my Mistral Axe might be 17k with moderate buffs, but with Aymur its only 14k

I find that if I'm using non-aymur, I typically want a magical damage pet. Which is ironic, because with Aymur, I like more primal rend damage.

I find it interesting that bst can melee and focus more on magical damage from magical ws and ready moves.

If you get buffs accordingly, malaise and pup roll and wizard roll are the biggest damage boosters.


tldr; bst is very versatile in how you play.


Regarding the new Axe bonus to Decimation.. I want to try it out. It looks like it makes Decmiation at least competitive with Mistral axe for damage, if not best physical weaponskill for pure damage.

However, unless you can offhand it, Its probably only a gimmick for bst. (and it sounds like you can't offhand the decimation bonus).
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By Undula 2019-02-09 07:41:22
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Pet Attack Bonus V is 80, not 60.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Falkirk 2019-02-10 19:08:32
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Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk said: »
Regarding the new Axe bonus to Decimation.. I want to try it out. It looks like it makes Decmiation at least competitive with Mistral axe for damage, if not best physical weaponskill for pure damage.

However, unless you can offhand it, Its probably only a gimmick for bst. (and it sounds like you can't offhand the decimation bonus).

You're right, it doesn't work in the offhand.

Tested on Wild Rabbits and saw that the "Decimation" Damage +120% is as advertised. Got a confirmation that the bonus applies to all hits:



(Missed the first hit, but connected the 2nd or 3rd, and damage range was 4395-4611.)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk 2019-02-10 22:23:11
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I used the decimation axe on apex bats
I was easily hitting 30k around 1000 tp. with occastional multi hits over 40k.

This was the same setup where I got some 40k hits w/ Calamity (sylvie, ygnas, korumoru, ulmia, qultada, generous arthur, corrosive ooze, killer instinct). Its alot easier to hit the big numbers w/ Decimation and Kuja axe. lower tp also,which means more frequently.

there will be more advancements for this axe as well... which as another poster mentioned in update thread, that it probably means more rema upgrades in the summer time.

There is no point in getting extra tp for Decimation unless you have acc problems... which you should address differently anyway.

stacking multi-hit is great. I was mostly using the ruinator set from the guide here, even though most of mine is NQ.

I did have a little triple attack from epona, but no quad attack and rest was da, if you can get a quad attack proc, this will do even better. w/out this axe, its about the same power as Ruinator.. which is frankly pretty weak. with JKuja axe its the best physical ws damage bst has.

I'm very jealous of those valorous body/legs bzt has... but I wonder if putting tali'ah body and meghanda legs in for this might be better than Argosy... sacrificing str for greater multihit. I'm really not sure but I would think multi hit is most important here.


ironically I was just talking about fernagu in offhand to do this sort of thing. this axe doesn't need it. not sure what the best offhand would be, either perfect purgation or barbarity +1 maybe. could make a nice digirbalag for it though. You really want as much multi-hit as possible I think. This ws reminds me alot of Sweeping Gouge on Kiyomaru/Vickie

Sadly, its out-damaging my Physical ws's w/ Pangu in main hand ;.;)
Only for Decimation though. it does nice Cloudsplitter damage also. it has mab and magid damage bonuses... it just has a big smattering of stat boosts and I thik it till get more next update.

Pangu has lots of nice other bonuses going for it though. it has NOT been replaced by some cheap Ambuscade knock off... ;.;
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By Ramuh.Austar 2019-02-10 22:31:36
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I offhand blurred +1 because BST has pretty poor gear choices
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk 2019-02-10 22:39:41
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
I offhand blurred +1 because BST has pretty poor gear choices

yeah, I haven't even seen a blurred axe +1 on Quetz,

looks like great off-hand tp builder though.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-02-10 22:42:26
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For the things you would be likely meleeing the 115 OAT is functionally the same
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk 2019-02-11 04:43:23
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
For the things you would be likely meleeing the 115 OAT is functionally the same

I melee Wave 3 Dynamis.

The Acc drop on 115 OAT is noticeable there.
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By Asura.Epigram 2019-02-11 14:06:16
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Testing with Bouncing Bertha (Dual-Wield R-15 Guttler and Arkoi, Master JP):
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	Att.	Att(Aftermath)	Att %
Guttler	1158	1293	        10.4408352668214
Arktoi	1029	1151	        10.5994787141616
Pet	1208	1307	        7.57459831675592

w/ Akamochi +1 (player +54/pet+82):			
Guttler	1212	1325	        8.52830188679246
Arktoi	1083	1183	        8.45308537616229
Pet	1290	1389	        7.12742980561555


I'm going to have to dig into this a bit more. However, it does appear that the 10% from Guttler does not include food +attack, but does include gear +attack for the player.

Now, the +attack for the pet seems to applied to the base attack of the pet, ignoring food and gear. This may already be known, but it's a bit new to me.
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By Kronkeykong 2019-02-11 16:09:58
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What if the pet uses an attack buff on itself? AKA Sheep.

Does it boost on top of the sheep boost?

Either way with a strong pet it's giving +100 from what it looks like.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk 2019-02-11 17:25:15
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its on the main guide, but be aware some pets have their own modifications to attack and defense.

you'll notices Bertha has a +20% attack buff.
this generaly applies to attack gained from gear also.
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By Kronkeykong 2019-02-11 17:26:38
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Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk said: »
its on the main guide, but be aware some pets have their own modifications to attack and defense.

you'll notices Bertha has a +20% attack buff.
this generaly applies to attack gained from gear also.

Sorry I should have been more clear - Sheep using Berserk/Rage
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-02-11 23:39:32
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Has anyone tried the scythe with spiral hell yet? Probably nowhere close to decimation, but gives BST that decent 2h option they never really could make use of. Interested to see if it's performance.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Falkirk 2019-02-19 10:56:42
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Asura.Epigram said: »
Testing with Bouncing Bertha (Dual-Wield R-15 Guttler and Arkoi, Master JP):
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	Att.	Att(Aftermath)	Att %
Pet	1208	1307	        7.57459831675592

Thanks for posting this test. The Attack bonus from Guttler's aftermath actually works out if you add it to Bouncing Bertha's Attack+20% boost.

Using your numbers, Bertha has about 1006 Attack:
1208 ÷ 1.2 = 1006
Take Bertha's native 20% bonus and add the 10% Guttler Aftermath to it for a 30% total, and then you get:
1006 × 1.3 = 1307

Kronkeykong said: »
What if the pet uses an attack buff on itself? AKA Sheep.

Does it boost on top of the sheep boost?

It's really good that you asked this question, because it led to a better understanding of Rhyming Shizuna's Rage ability.
Rage was listed on the front page as Attack+50%/Defense-50%, but it's actually Attack+60%/Defense-60%.

Rhyming Shizuna:
Base Attack = 873
Job Point Gift STR and Attack Bonuses = (110 * 1.1) = 121
Total Attack = 994

Remove the natural 10% Attack Adjustment that the Sheep gets, and the pet has ~903 Attack.
After some testing in the field, here's a table that shows the theoretical and observed attack values for Rhyming Shizuna:
ConditionBonusesCalculated
Attack
Actual
Attack
Base (903)10% (Atk Adj.)994994
w/Guttler Aftermath10% (Atk Adj.) + 10% (AM) 10831082
w/Rage10% (Atk Adj.) + 60% (Rage)15361535
w/Aftermath and Rage10% + 10% + 60%16251624

They're mostly off by 1 due to flooring, but you can see that the bonuses are additive.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk 2019-02-19 11:36:23
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Has anyone tried the scythe with spiral hell yet? Probably nowhere close to decimation, but gives BST that decent 2h option they never really could make use of. Interested to see if it's performance.

Kaja Scythe?

nope not at all.

I did Maliyakaleya Scythe for Cross Reaper awhile ago.
It was not as powerful as Mistral Axe or Calamity.

If I recall, Spiral Hell was only as powerful as Ruinator, which was pretty weak. If its a 100% bonus I don't expect it to match Decimation with Kaja Axe. but It might be a viable 2-handed option.

Acc is much poorere with scythe ofcourse.
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I don't expect it to come anywhere near Decimation for BST. BST's natural Scythe skill is only mediocre, with hardly any room to push damage into upper ranks to make it worthwhile. Just wondering for the addition's sake.

I wouldn't be surprised if SE decided to give BST an increased Scythe rank to give them better synergy with a 2h weapon as an option.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk 2019-02-19 13:33:27
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
I don't expect it to come anywhere near Decimation for BST. BST's natural Scythe skill is only mediocre, with hardly any room to push damage into upper ranks to make it worthwhile. Just wondering for the addition's sake.

I wouldn't be surprised if SE decided to give BST an increased Scythe rank to give them better synergy with a 2h weapon as an option.


I would be surprised.

This is the same reason that using shield is pretty useless for bst. There are alot of benefits to pet from axes both main hand and offhand.

If bst functioned only like a war, then added scythe skill might be a thing.

I think I'm one of the bst players most interested in messing with alternative playstyles. I would have fun w/ better scythe skill. but I would be shocked if SE actually did it. the novelty wouldn't last long.

using a 2-hander would be better than axe + shield because of ja haste from /sam or /drk, but I can't think of a single situation that scythe would be preferable to dual wielding axes.
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By Ozaii 2019-02-19 15:23:19
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Hello i have started working towards my aymur. Was wondering stuff about when to use and such, mainly If I am using my bst for something like omen fu. Would i use the ambu ax over aymur for maximum damage during add floors and mid boss floors when i have melee buffs and such. Or does using aymur ruinator after getting am3 up win out? Not counting bertha cleaving after all obj have been met. Cuz that would def wipe the adds quickest regardless of buffs. (Also during times where both pet and i have about even buffs and both are doing good damage, I am assuming aymur wins. But when its just pet i know aymur wins for sure.) Parenthesis to seperate things and keep it kinda orderly? Also ty for your time reading this lengthy paragraph.
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