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Boehner Wants to Sue Obama (again)
Obama is the antichrist, wake up in the name of truth and justice guys.
Valefor.Sehachan said: » Obama is the antichrist, wake up in the name of truth and justice guys. Bloodrose said: » Time wasn't the only issue. As has been pointed out, it was also a safety issue, and when safety is an issue with suspects of the terrorist attacks still at large, the timing of the memorial walk as a poor decision. Again, less than 48 hours for complete security detail, briefing, debriefing, etc. would have taken around 72 hours. However, along the singular line that he should have gone to pay his respects, He should have gone, or sent a high profile member of his staff to go in his place. I don't think I've seen anyone actually argue this point. And if they have, I might have missed it. Valefor.Sehachan said: » Obama is the antichrist, wake up in the name of truth and justice guys. He's got our soldiers all over the world looking for something. That something are the four crystals that keep our world in balance. He's trying to overload them so he can take over the multiverse. Bravely Republican: Where the Obama Lies Offline
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bloodrose said: » Time wasn't the only issue. As has been pointed out, it was also a safety issue, and when safety is an issue with suspects of the terrorist attacks still at large, the timing of the memorial walk as a poor decision. Again, less than 48 hours for complete security detail, briefing, debriefing, etc. would have taken around 72 hours. However, along the singular line that he should have gone to pay his respects, He should have gone, or sent a high profile member of his staff to go in his place. I don't think I've seen anyone actually argue this point. And if they have, I might have missed it. Bloodrose said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bloodrose said: » Time wasn't the only issue. As has been pointed out, it was also a safety issue, and when safety is an issue with suspects of the terrorist attacks still at large, the timing of the memorial walk as a poor decision. Again, less than 48 hours for complete security detail, briefing, debriefing, etc. would have taken around 72 hours. However, along the singular line that he should have gone to pay his respects, He should have gone, or sent a high profile member of his staff to go in his place. I don't think I've seen anyone actually argue this point. And if they have, I might have missed it. The soldier really isn't the focus of my point. Releasing 5 gitmo terrorists is awful no matter who we get in exchange. To the point of the deserter though, it only proves he was willing to get nearly nothing in exchange. Offline
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bloodrose said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bloodrose said: » Time wasn't the only issue. As has been pointed out, it was also a safety issue, and when safety is an issue with suspects of the terrorist attacks still at large, the timing of the memorial walk as a poor decision. Again, less than 48 hours for complete security detail, briefing, debriefing, etc. would have taken around 72 hours. However, along the singular line that he should have gone to pay his respects, He should have gone, or sent a high profile member of his staff to go in his place. I don't think I've seen anyone actually argue this point. And if they have, I might have missed it. The soldier really isn't the focus of my point. Releasing 5 gitmo terrorists is awful no matter who we get in exchange. To the point of the deserter though, it only proves he was willing to get nearly nothing in exchange. Maybe the Soldier was a Socialist? hmmmmmm
/em Baits the hook and waits for BR to bite An American soldier is nearly nothing?
Look at that Bloodrose, you got a follower!
Now you are just like me! Lakshmi.Flavin said: » An American soldier is nearly nothing? A treasonous deserter certainly is. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bloodrose said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bloodrose said: » Time wasn't the only issue. As has been pointed out, it was also a safety issue, and when safety is an issue with suspects of the terrorist attacks still at large, the timing of the memorial walk as a poor decision. Again, less than 48 hours for complete security detail, briefing, debriefing, etc. would have taken around 72 hours. However, along the singular line that he should have gone to pay his respects, He should have gone, or sent a high profile member of his staff to go in his place. I don't think I've seen anyone actually argue this point. And if they have, I might have missed it. The soldier really isn't the focus of my point. Releasing 5 gitmo terrorists is awful no matter who we get in exchange. To the point of the deserter though, it only proves he was willing to get nearly nothing in exchange. I'm not 100% clear on this, but I'm pretty sure desertion and treason are two entirely seperate things and he's only accused of desertion at this time, and not convicted of anything.
Bloodrose said: » I didn't really follow beyond that, because of all the ***-flinging people did on both sides. Did the soldier have any pertinent knowledge that would have warranted such, or was it a case of "no soldier left behind"? It was a case of not leaving an American POW behind. Ramyrez said: » I'm not 100% clear on this, but I'm pretty sure desertion and treason are two entirely seperate things and he's only accused of desertion at this time, and not convicted of anything. No, he hasn't been charged with anything. So he isn't even being accused. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » An American soldier is nearly nothing? A treasonous deserter certainly is. Did you even read the reports on the prisoners they released from Gitmo? Not only that but it's been a long forgotten dream of releasing gitmo prisoners. Apparently He went AWOL in the field, was found wondering around looking for Al qaeda. Well they found him and it appears held him captive.
Shiva.Viciousss said: » No, he hasn't been charged with anything. So he isn't even being accused. Fellow soldiers have blamed him for the deaths of other soldiers that were sent out to find out what happened to him and bring him back. Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » No, he hasn't been charged with anything. So he isn't even being accused. Fellow soldiers have blamed him for the deaths of other soldiers that were sent out to find out what happened to him and bring him back. And they have been debunked. The soldiers died in incidents completely unrelated to Bergdahl, one of them I believe was killed on his way to provide security in an election. I don't know what the Army is going to do about his case, but it will be the US Army that judges him, we weren't going to leave him in enemy hands. Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » No, he hasn't been charged with anything. So he isn't even being accused. Fellow soldiers have blamed him for the deaths of other soldiers that were sent out to find out what happened to him and bring him back. There's currently a question of whether he'll be formally charged with desertion. Frankly I think he should at least have to go through the trial, even if he's acquited, as it's a very serious situation and to let him go without a formal review of his actions that led to his confinement is irresponsible and sets a dangerous precident. Also looks like he'll get 300k in back pay too.
Desertion pays pretty well. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Also looks like he'll get 300k in back pay too. Desertion pays pretty well. I'd suggest reserving judgment until facts come out, but that's probably a bit beyond you. That said, there has been no decision yet on whether he'll be charged with anything. The liklihood of him doing jail time is essentially zero, but there's still a (probably reasonable) chance he'll be forfeiting that back pay and giving up military benefits and the like. Ramyrez said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » No, he hasn't been charged with anything. So he isn't even being accused. Fellow soldiers have blamed him for the deaths of other soldiers that were sent out to find out what happened to him and bring him back. There's currently a question of whether he'll be formally charged with desertion. Frankly I think he should at least have to go through the trial, even if he's acquited, as it's a very serious situation and to let him go without a formal review of his actions that led to his confinement is irresponsible and sets a dangerous precident. I'm still curious as to what he did that was treasonous.
So far all I got is that he went AWOL. That's not treasonous.... Bahamut.Milamber said: » Meh, he'd be far from the first person to go AWOL and not be charged with desertion. Aye. But AWOL on active duty and stateside are a bit different, though I think you may underestimate the amount of people who get less-than-honorable discharges. I wouldn't expect things are going to go swimmingly for him, even if he avoids the major pitfalls. Ramyrez said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Also looks like he'll get 300k in back pay too. Desertion pays pretty well. I'd suggest reserving judgment until facts come out, but that's probably a bit beyond you. That said, there has been no decision yet on whether he'll be charged with anything. The liklihood of him doing jail time is essentially zero, but there's still a (probably reasonable) chance he'll be forfeiting that back pay and giving up military benefits and the like. Asura.Kingnobody said: » I'm still curious as to what he did that was treasonous. So far all I got is that he went AWOL. That's not treasonous.... Hence my correction of Nausi that he's potentially a deserter and treason hasn't come into play at all, as I'm pretty sure there's slim to zilch evidence or suspicion of that. Not wanting to be at your assigned post != wanting to help the enemy, except in the eyes of the most delusional patriots (...a group to which Nausi has never really ruled himself out of, admittedly.) Bahamut.Milamber said: » If he is charged and convicted, he *may* lose the back pay. If he is discharged under general or other than honorable (or dishonorable, which is probably unlikely), then he will have some impact to benefits. I feel like we're going round and round here polishing two sides of the same coin. Ramyrez said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » I'm still curious as to what he did that was treasonous. So far all I got is that he went AWOL. That's not treasonous.... Hence my correction of Nausi that he's potentially a deserter and treason hasn't come into play at all, as I'm pretty sure there's slim to zilch evidence or suspicion of that. Not wanting to be at your assigned post != wanting to help the enemy, except in the eyes of the most delusional patriots (...a group to which Nausi has never really ruled himself out of, admittedly.) |
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