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By Zeota 2018-11-09 01:36:51
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Yeah for those without an augmented terp. I'll be interested to see tests with pre-bug and post-bug gear sets from augmented REMA folks to see if there are any noticeable differences. I'd try this myself, but my terp isn't finished with augments yet (it's rank 11 as of this posting), and I don't quite have BiS pre/post-glitch sets. I suspect the spreadsheet folks will make the necessary tweaks in the coming days.
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By Asura.Sechs 2018-11-09 01:43:16
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Shiyo said: »
So with the WSD change our relic+3 pants have no use now? I can't think of any use - they're worse than lustratio+1 legs/feet for rudras
According to Katriina's tests no, they're not worse than Lustratio+1 for Rudra.
Search this thread, she posted the results.
Difference wasn't big but, if I recall, +3 legs won over Lustratio+1.
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By Bahamut.Kitori 2018-11-09 02:45:02
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Asura.Sechs said: »
Shiyo said: »
So with the WSD change our relic+3 pants have no use now? I can't think of any use - they're worse than lustratio+1 legs/feet for rudras
According to Katriina's tests no, they're not worse than Lustratio+1 for Rudra.
Search this thread, she posted the results.
Difference wasn't big but, if I recall, +3 legs won over Lustratio+1.

Lustratio +1 legs/feet:
131 dmg dagger, 15 fstr 450 dex 5 ftp 28% WSD damage 3.25 pdif

12396.8 damage

Relic +3 and 6% WSD herc boots:
131 dmg dagger, 15 fstr 383 dex 5 ftp 40% WSD damage 3.25 pdif

12034.75

Unless I'm somehow doing the math wrong or messed up numbers completely?

edit: Never counted offhand hit in my numbers for ftp, so there is one mistake.
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By Asura.Sechs 2018-11-09 05:40:19
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Oh I dunno, don't ask me. For all I know she could be the one who did some small mistake without noticing!

Check her original and detailed report and compare it with your data :D


Plus you're using 2x Lustratio+1 pieces, which means Set bonus, if I recall Katriina wasn't! But not sure about that.
Personally I wouldn't use Lustratio+1 regardless. Maybe if you already have a couple of pieces and you paid a ton for them when they were still expensive and you somehow grew attached to them? I dunno.

I'm way too annoyed by the lack of defensive stats and with my playstyle I find that matters a lot in recent content. I mean it matters more on jobs like RUN I guess, but on DNC too, for instance against the Dynamis Wave3 Megaboss, I find myself eventually getting hate, especially when I have Fan Dance up.



It's also probably a matter of capped acc/att. I'm sure you can totally compensate for the lower Acc on Lustratio+1, but the attack difference is huge, plus STR which matters in the WS damage calculation, gives STR tiers and, indirectly, more attack.

There are short fights where you're gonna be Att capped, but on stuff like Dynamis Wave3 you won't have Bolster Frailty up 100% of the time. Even with lots of att related buffs, it's hard to reach att cap on those targets when you take Bolster Frailty out of the scenario.
In those situations the additional att is gonna matter. Did you try to run your tests making so that you have att buffs but that, at the same time, you're a bit below the cap? Because that's a much more common situation, I think, than being completely capped, something that will only be true for a portion of your fights but not all of them and not for 100% of the duration.
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By SimonSes 2018-11-09 08:42:05
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Bahamut.Kitori said: »
Asura.Sechs said: »
Shiyo said: »
So with the WSD change our relic+3 pants have no use now? I can't think of any use - they're worse than lustratio+1 legs/feet for rudras
According to Katriina's tests no, they're not worse than Lustratio+1 for Rudra.
Search this thread, she posted the results.
Difference wasn't big but, if I recall, +3 legs won over Lustratio+1.

Lustratio +1 legs/feet:
131 dmg dagger, 15 fstr 450 dex 5 ftp 28% WSD damage 3.25 pdif

12396.8 damage

Relic +3 and 6% WSD herc boots:
131 dmg dagger, 15 fstr 383 dex 5 ftp 40% WSD damage 3.25 pdif

12034.75

Unless I'm somehow doing the math wrong or messed up numbers completely?

edit: Never counted offhand hit in my numbers for ftp, so there is one mistake.

6% WSD herc boots? That DM augment. Try 4% with 15DEX or 5% with 10DEX. Also Like Sechs said there is a very significant drop is att and acc on Lustratio. Even more important (att) with +2 neck.
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By Leviathan.Katriina 2018-11-09 09:09:57
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Asura.Sechs said: »
Shiyo said: »
So with the WSD change our relic+3 pants have no use now? I can't think of any use - they're worse than lustratio+1 legs/feet for rudras
According to Katriina's tests no, they're not worse than Lustratio+1 for Rudra.
Search this thread, she posted the results.
Difference wasn't big but, if I recall, +3 legs won over Lustratio+1.
Again, Sechs summed up things nicely, much appreciated!
As far as I remember from this:
Leviathan.Katriina said: »
Asura.Sechs said: »
Bet the difference isn't huge though, is it?
On spreadsheet it was a 200 difference between them [in WS set] if that helps.
I really vouch for Body +3 however


Leviathan.Katriina said: »
Initially I thought SE would make body for WS then legs started to make more sense [purely from the defensive values on Body]

More often than not Attack isn't capped in higher content and the need for MEVA from support can limit the amount of buffs you receive [Especially if you don't have a second BRD/COR/SMN] and many players underestimate the attack provided on Relic Upgrades.

In regards to PK for mythic users:
Before Relic Legs:12070 with 2.2 Rounds/WS
After Relic Legs:12974 with 2.1 Rounds/WS

These were done on the old spreadsheet, I will have to check again on the new one.

Needless to say that, yes, it's much more logical to use Relic Legs over Lust in higher content for defensive purposes, and the mere fact that attack isn't always capped, especially on W3.

Edit: Just checked on new sheet, same set for both switching legs;
Relic Legs: 24487
Lust Legs: 23929

Almost winning by 500
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By Asura.Pusheen 2018-11-15 15:36:04
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Looking to check my PK set post ws update.

ItemSet 362999

L. Cap +1: A15
S. Mantle: STR30 ACC/ATT20 DA10
L. Leggings +1: D15

Thanks in advance. (Sad to see wsd+10% go on cape)
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