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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-06-17 12:42:12
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You're probably not going to see an 'openly atheist' politician in higher government. And its sad to. Not because of there personal beliefs or anything, but because as soon as they make that statement, the majority or religious nuts wont vote for them based on that fact alone. (And that's sad) - No different from the vast amount of ppl ive seen that have voted based on race or gender alone.

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with 27% saying religion “is the most important thing in their lives.”

On the other side of that coin - If a politician said that, they should not be elected at all. 'Most important thing' flat out says there personal beliefs are more important then protecting/serving the ppl. But then again, most any form of of self serving reasons should render them out of the race.

Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Also, lol @ The Public Religion Research Institute
That id have to agree with'

Also liberals arnt alone with there lie loving. Granted they love taking it to the extreme, but there not alone. In this day and age American politician is pretty much a synonym with dishonest/lair. - But so are the majority of the citizens. Not only do they participate in it on a daily basis, but they must looooove lies if they keep this government and its politicians in place...
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By Triffle 2014-06-17 12:52:05
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If they are honest about not believing in religion, they will be momentarily out of a job. The USA is the country where it is be a Christian or you won't get far in politics. Saying you are an atheist is essentially branding yourself a witch and proceeding to be burned at the political stake. Speaking of preferring lies and *** to truth. That is essentially the definition of Religion. So that's basically 99.9999999999% of all conservatives. xD
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-06-17 12:54:56
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I might believe you actually meant that if you didn't take shots at liberals yourself and the fact that you never once addressed the value of truth in general.

When you're a paid Putin shill you have to adhere to certain standards for paychecks to be cut yaknow.
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By Leviathan.Auuin 2014-06-17 12:57:22
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@ Godofgods Would you vote for a "Jesus freak" if you thought that he would do a good job in office or would that automatically rule them out? please don't think i'm implying anything or trying to start something with you. :) just curious.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-06-17 13:00:23
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I don't care if a politician professes a faith, I want to know what the *** you're going to do in office once you've been elected. Jesus isn't going to fix my roads unless he's a pudgy Latin American man and even he can't move until my politician allocates the money.

So less about your faith as the more you shout about it the less likely you actually give a *** about it and more about your strategy to participate in the honorable job of putting out a number of metaphorical fires.
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By Jetackuu 2014-06-17 13:00:49
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I'd personally vote for anyone willing to do right by the people and stick to it, regardless of their beliefs. But that means to put your duty to the people above your personal beliefs.

That being said, I don't know of a political party that aligns to my ideals, so I often have to concede and vote for a shitty person. As real people don't often make it far in politics.
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By Leviathan.Auuin 2014-06-17 13:06:51
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@ triffle The overwhelming majority of the citizens in the USA still claim to be "christian" (everyone defines that a little different it seems.) and vote accordingly. To be fair, you can't call it a witch hunt when the people simply don't vote for you. I can't recall a mud slinging campeign with "they don't believe in an afterlife!" in the header. XD I may be wrong... just havn't seen one.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-06-17 13:08:41
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Leviathan.Auuin said: »
@ Godofgods Would you vote for a "Jesus freak" if you thought that he would do a good job in office or would that automatically rule them out? please don't think i'm implying anything or trying to start something with you. :) just curious.

on the face of it, yes. If they are willing to do whats actually best for the country and its ppl, then i could care less what there personal belief is in religion. - The trouble is, many ppl let there beliefs rule there decisions in government and that's wrong. They end up pressing there personal agenda/belief on everyone through law.

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Edit: that last line reminds me of the opening to this song that was release on 1 Jan 1982. (Long time ago)

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Not the best melody imo, but the point is still valid. (Of course the music scene was drastically different in the 70-80's)
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By Jetackuu 2014-06-17 13:10:30
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It's a witch hunt when several areas have written illegal laws against others from running based on their beliefs or lack of.
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By Leviathan.Auuin 2014-06-17 13:12:14
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@godofgods. Well said. I felt like that would be your answer. Glad it was.
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By Leviathan.Auuin 2014-06-17 13:13:40
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@jetachuu Ewww! really? I'm speachless. Do you know where that was? i'd like to read up on that some more.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-06-17 13:17:00
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Leviathan.Auuin said: »
@godofgods. Well said. I felt like that would be your answer. Glad it was.

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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-06-17 13:20:02
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Arkansas, Article 19, Section 1:
No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any Court.

Maryland, Article 37:
That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other oath of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution.

Mississippi, Article 14, Section 265:
No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office in this state.

North Carolina, Article 6, Section 8
The following persons shall be disqualified for office: Any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God.

South Carolina, Article 17, Section 4:
No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution.

Tennessee, Article 9, Section 2:
No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state.

Texas, Article 1, Section 4:
No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-06-17 13:21:49
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I acknowledge a Supreme Being alright and you might have seen him kicking some Chitari *** in New York. Or saving us all from Christopher Eccleston Doctor Who in the Dark World.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-06-17 13:23:49
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Jetackuu said: »
It's a witch hunt when several areas have written illegal laws against others from running based on their beliefs or lack of.

Leviathan.Auuin said: »
@jetachuu Ewww! really? I'm speachless. Do you know where that was? i'd like to read up on that some more.


unless its against the westboro baptist church ....

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By Leviathan.Auuin 2014-06-17 13:28:02
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@ sparthosx Thank you.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-06-17 13:31:17
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Arkansas, Article 19, Section 1:
No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any Court.

Maryland, Article 37:
That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other oath of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution.

Mississippi, Article 14, Section 265:
No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office in this state.

North Carolina, Article 6, Section 8
The following persons shall be disqualified for office: Any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God.

South Carolina, Article 17, Section 4:
No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution.

Tennessee, Article 9, Section 2:
No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state.

Texas, Article 1, Section 4:
No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.

im not sure whats more scary. That we let this type of stuff happen.. or that some ppl actually believe this....
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By Jetackuu 2014-06-17 13:33:44
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I'm still shocked that VA isn't on the list.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-06-17 13:35:43
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Well, the premise of the study proves Global Warming then, since Global Warming isn't what would be called a "Comfortable" lie. Take that conservatives!
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2014-06-17 13:38:38
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Does the Flying Spaghetti Monster count? If so, I'm running for Governator in Texas!
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-06-17 13:39:53
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Well, the premise of the study proves Global Warming then, since Global Warming isn't what would be called a "Comfortable" lie. Take that conservatives!

While we may or may not be causing weather to change, its is an absolute fact that the planet has heat up drastically and cooled down to ice ages drastically a few times before. So even without us, it will still happen anyway. (hope this doesnt start some GW derailment)
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-06-17 13:48:11
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Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Well, the premise of the study proves Global Warming then, since Global Warming isn't what would be called a "Comfortable" lie. Take that conservatives!

It's almost like climate change is.... An Inconvenient Truth
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-06-17 13:49:34
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Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Well, the premise of the study proves Global Warming then, since Global Warming isn't what would be called a "Comfortable" lie. Take that conservatives!

While we may or may not be causing weather to change, its is an absolute fact that the planet has heat up drastically and cooled down to ice ages drastically a few times before. So even without us, it will still happen anyway. (hope this doesnt start some GW derailment)

Earth will survive, she's taken quite the pounding and pulled through. The question is always OUR way of life. If the climate changes drastically, that has very real implications on US. Do we want to knowingly march down the path of our own self-destruction?
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-06-17 14:12:14
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Odin.Godofgods said: »
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Well, the premise of the study proves Global Warming then, since Global Warming isn't what would be called a "Comfortable" lie. Take that conservatives!

While we may or may not be causing weather to change, its is an absolute fact that the planet has heat up drastically and cooled down to ice ages drastically a few times before. So even without us, it will still happen anyway. (hope this doesnt start some GW derailment)

Earth will survive, she's taken quite the pounding and pulled through. The question is always OUR way of life. If the climate changes drastically, that has very real implications on US. Do we want to knowingly march down the path of our own self-destruction?

Ive tried agreeing that point many a time. Ppl don't want to except it. The like the delusion that its something so grand as 'the planet needs saved'...

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Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are f***ed. Difference. Difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We’ve been here, what, a hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand? And we’ve only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over two hundred years. Two hundred years versus four and a half billion. And we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we’re a threat? That somehow we’re gonna put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that’s just a-floatin’ around the sun?

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles…hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages…And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet…the planet…the planet isn’t going anywhere. WE ARE! - George Carlin
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By Leviathan.Auuin 2014-06-17 14:13:31
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I am a christian, a conservative one at that, and i do believe that a stong moral compass in our leaders is essential for the success or our country. I can only speak for myself, but I am a lot less of a scumbag since i have become a christian. (still have a lot of scumbaggery that i'm working through.) XD That being said...the idea that someone would pass a law basically saying that you CANT be a good or moral person, or even an effective leader, unless you believe in God... is INSANE. Some of my most kind and moral friends are athiests/agnostic. Most of them would make great public servants.
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By perryk 2014-06-17 14:23:13
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Here is the link to the actual study:

http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/AAPOR-2014-Final.pdf

There is no mention of conservative or liberal in the entire study, other than the 1 supposed bombshell that for liberals 27% say that religion is not important to them on the phone vs. 40% in the online survey. For conservatives that was 4% vs. 6%.

First of all, it's pretty disingenuous to only include 1 nugget of information on how liberals and conservatives differed in the study. For all we know, conservatives lied more about their religion overall.

Secondly, it appears to me that the lying has nothing to do with conservative vs. liberal. Among those for whom religion was not important (assuming the online survey is the accurate one), approximately 13/40 = 32.5% of liberals lied about this fact, while 2/6 = 33.3% of conservatives lied about this fact. So conservatives and liberals for whom religion was not important were approximately equally likely to lie.

This suggests that the important factor is the underlying non-belief rather than the political affiliation. Which makes a lot of sense considering that saying religion is not important to you can still can come across as somewhat Debbie-Downer in social situations. A lot of non-believers would be used to avoiding the topic, or simply overstating religion's importance in their lives.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-06-17 14:30:28
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What I find most interesting about this survey and thread.

1. People are still way too attached to arbitrary titles.

2. Apparently a public survey is credible information now.

3. Penguins have a gland behind their eye that converts salt water into fresh water.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-06-17 14:30:40
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Leviathan.Auuin said: »
I am a christian, a conservative one at that, and i do believe that a stong moral compass in our leaders is essential for the success or our country. I can only speak for myself, but I am a lot less of a scumbag since i have become a christian. (still have a lot of scumbaggery that i'm working through.) XD That being said...the idea that someone would pass a law basically saying that you CANT be a good or moral person, or even an effective leader, unless you believe in God... is INSANE. Some of my most kind and moral friends are athiests/agnostic. Most of them would make great public servants.

Not attacking or criticizing anything you said; but i am going to point out that religion =/= moral.

You can not believe and be moral quite easily. And on the other side of that, many religious ppl are not moral. Just ask any catholic priest. Or the fact that more ppl have been killed in the name of god then for any other reason.
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By Leviathan.Auuin 2014-06-17 14:51:39
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I appreciate the honest feedback. /smile
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-06-17 15:02:22
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Odin.Godofgods said: »
Leviathan.Auuin said: »
I am a christian, a conservative one at that, and i do believe that a stong moral compass in our leaders is essential for the success or our country. I can only speak for myself, but I am a lot less of a scumbag since i have become a christian. (still have a lot of scumbaggery that i'm working through.) XD That being said...the idea that someone would pass a law basically saying that you CANT be a good or moral person, or even an effective leader, unless you believe in God... is INSANE. Some of my most kind and moral friends are athiests/agnostic. Most of them would make great public servants.

Not attacking or criticizing anything you said; but i am going to point out that religion =/= moral.

You can not believe and be moral quite easily. And on the other side of that, many religious ppl are not moral. Just ask any catholic priest. Or the fact that more ppl have been killed in the name of god then for any other reason.
To be fair... He did mention that some of his most kind and moral friends are atheists/agnostics... so I don't really think he's saying that you have to be religious to have a strong moral compass but more that he would prefer to have someone in office with one... religious or not...
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