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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-17 08:24:56
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A very interesting study was conducted by The Public Religion Research Institute and they found out by accident that liberals tend to prefer lies over truth.

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A report on religiosity in America, prepared by The Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI), reveals that religion is fading as an element in our public character. Moreover, when it comes to admitting the truth about personal religiosity, the PRRI’s work shows Liberals prefer comfortable lies to demanding truths.

Sadly but not surprisingly, the study’s numbers weren’t encouraging. PRRI’s study told an interesting tale of how liberals lie about their relationship to religion and religiosity.

During PRRI’s telephone interviews 43% claimed to attend religious ceremonies, with 27% saying religion “is the most important thing in their lives.” However, when the anonymous responses from online surveys were tallied, the numbers dropped dramatically to 30% religious service attendance–and 20% saying religion was the most important thing in their life.

The difference between the two sets of numbers is attributed to people wanting to be seen in the best light when actually talking to another person, even a totally anonymous stranger. This is a normal quirk of human behavior for most people. But it is especially prevalent among liberals.

Part of being a liberal is being comfortable with lies. Whether personal lies or lies told by other liberals, liberals trade in lies all the time; and PRRI’s report supports this charge.
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So what exactly does this say about religion within politics?

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This suggests that although religious affiliation is waning—in the past 20 years, the number of Americans claiming no affiliation has more than doubled to around 22 percent—religion is still seen as a good thing, or at least as socially desirable. If elected officials are any indication of what Americans view as desirable, religious devotion is nearly a requirement. There has never been an openly atheist or agnostic president and only one member of Congress, former Representative Pete Stark, who declared non-believer status while in office. Although Stark, a Democrat from California, entered Congress in 1973, it wasn’t until 2007 that he publicly declared himself a non-believer.

Since then, no current member of Congress has come out as atheist or agnostic, although the number of members who do not claim a specific religious affiliation has risen. In a 2013 Pew poll, 10 members of the current Congress either didn’t choose or didn’t know their religious affiliation, while Representative Kyrsten Sinema, of Arizona, explicitly chose “unaffiliated.” All eleven members are Democrats.

Michael Wear, the director of faith outreach for President Obama’s reelection campaign, says religion is disproportionately represented in politics because it’s equated with compassion, charity, and fairness. “People want to align themselves with those kinds of ideals. People use religion as a stand-in for a whole number of traits we deem desirable from a secular perspective.”
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While this study was about religion it ultimately speaks volumes about the character of the self identified liberal. Who knows what other lies they feel comfortable perceiving?

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An important point to be drawn from this survey is that, as in so many other cases, liberals might instinctively recognize what is good in the world, but they are prevented from joining what is good because of the barrier between them and it. That barrier is the inherent truth that comes with good. Liberals prefer lies that sound comforting over truths that sound demanding.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-06-17 08:31:17
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Where the are numbers on conservatives with regard to religiosity?

Without the numbers to collaborate the claim its like saying...


Liberals lie in survey and surveyors believe the lies in order to craft a hypothesis that fits their agenda.
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By Asura.Ackeronll 2014-06-17 08:35:56
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Who doesn't prefer lies over truth?

"Does this make my butt look big?"
"Favorite Child?"
"Does my <insert relative here> look better then me?"
"Is my child special?"
"Am I doing a good job?"
"<insert noun here> is the best/worst!"
"Are we going to die?!"
"Do you love me?"
"Is this food good?"

If you spent a day being completely honest with every question asked to you, you would piss off so many people. I do it all the time. It's why people say I'm gonna die cold and alone lol.

.... so ronery.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-17 08:35:57
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Where the are numbers on conservatives with regard to religiosity?

Don't know if this helps, but I found it very interesting. Break up of religion throughout Congress.

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By Sylph.Wardeniii 2014-06-17 08:43:13
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lol
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-06-17 08:44:06
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Part of being a liberal is being comfortable with lies. Whether personal lies or lies told by other liberals, liberals trade in lies all the time; and PRRI’s report supports this charge.

I've heard of leaping to conclusions (insert Office Space joke), but this is a *** grand slam in terms of confirmation bias.

People of all political views do this. Do you really think every politician out there gives a damn about religion? Of course not. But they have to say they do to put themselves in the best public light. Liberal or conservative doesn't matter. I would actually theorize that it happens more with conservative politicians because they're the ones clinging to the Bible so frequently to drive their misguided agendas.

All this tells me is that people still fear being viewed as godless heathens by others. That's the big takeaway here; that religion still exerts so much influence in this country.

Also, coincidentally, have any of you been around someone for whom religion actually is the most important thing in their life? They are borderline unbearable no matter how tolerant of a person you are. The only thing worse is someone for whom religion isn't the most important thing in their lives, but they want you to think it is, so they're even louder about it.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-06-17 08:51:31
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Where the are numbers on conservatives with regard to religiosity?
Don't know if this helps, but I found it very interesting. Break up of religion throughout Congress.

So in the houses of congress there might be a total of 9 atheists?

But they won't say for sure, because they're (probably) afraid it would hurt their position.

Meaning there are more openly gay members of congress than openly atheist.

I feel so well-represented it makes me sick to my ***.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-17 08:54:21
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Asura.Ackeronll said: »
Who doesn't prefer lies over truth?

"Does this make my butt look big?"
"Favorite Child?"
"Does my <insert relative here> look better then me?"
"Is my child special?"
"Am I doing a good job?"
"<insert noun here> is the best/worst!"
"Are we going to die?!"
"Do you love me?"
"Is this food good?"

If you spent a day being completely honest with every question asked to you, you would piss off so many people. I do it all the time. It's why people say I'm gonna die cold and alone lol.

.... so ronery.
So the lesson here is to start lying more. Or to start lying like a liberal, as they say, if you want to live a happy life.
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By Carbuncle.Niusha 2014-06-17 08:55:17
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What a crock of ***. A right-wing, Christian organization does a "study" that makes hilarious leaps in logic qualifies as interesting? I'm sure their attempts to paint their opposition in a bad light was, as you put it, "accidental." Also lol at this gem:

"While this study was about religion it ultimately speaks volumes about the character of the self identified liberal. Who knows what other lies they feel comfortable perceiving?"
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By Asura.Ackeronll 2014-06-17 08:57:44
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Asura.Ackeronll said: »
Who doesn't prefer lies over truth?

"Does this make my butt look big?"
"Favorite Child?"
"Does my <insert relative here> look better then me?"
"Is my child special?"
"Am I doing a good job?"
"<insert noun here> is the best/worst!"
"Are we going to die?!"
"Do you love me?"
"Is this food good?"

If you spent a day being completely honest with every question asked to you, you would piss off so many people. I do it all the time. It's why people say I'm gonna die cold and alone lol.

.... so ronery.
So the lesson here is to start lying more. Or to start lying like a liberal, as they say, if you want to live a happy life.

Nah just lie more. This study is BS as those guys were probably lying!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-17 08:58:02
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Carbuncle.Niusha said: »
What a crock of ***. A right-wing, Christian organization does a "study" that makes hilarious leaps in logic qualifies as interesting? I'm sure their attempts to paint their opposition in a bad light was, as you put it, "accidental." Also lol at this gem:

"While this study was about religion it ultimately speaks volumes about the character of the self identified liberal. Who knows what other lies they feel comfortable perceiving?"
Well think about it like this, if they can't even be honest about their religious beliefs, who knows what other things they've been lying about? The economy? Job growth? Global warming? National defense? Iraq? Benghazi?

The list could go on and on.
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By Ragnarok.Azryel 2014-06-17 09:00:52
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"Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie." - Russian proverb
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Asura.Ackeronll said: »
Who doesn't prefer lies over truth?

"Does this make my butt look big?"
"Favorite Child?"
"Does my <insert relative here> look better then me?"
"Is my child special?"
"Am I doing a good job?"
"<insert noun here> is the best/worst!"
"Are we going to die?!"
"Do you love me?"
"Is this food good?"

If you spent a day being completely honest with every question asked to you, you would piss off so many people. I do it all the time. It's why people say I'm gonna die cold and alone lol.

.... so ronery.
that explains wwhy people think I'm just a smartass/jackass, but I already knew that. A lot f people can't handle the truth, go figure, it's part human nature part how they're raised.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-06-17 09:10:03
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Where the are numbers on conservatives with regard to religiosity?
Don't know if this helps, but I found it very interesting. Break up of religion throughout Congress.

So in the houses of congress there might be a total of 9 atheists?

But they won't say for sure, because they're (probably) afraid it would hurt their position.

Meaning there are more openly gay members of congress than openly atheist.

I feel so well-represented it makes me sick to my ***.
Hey, as a Jewish conservative, I'm more underrepresented than you! Stick that in your pipe and smoke it! You've been out-minoritied!
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By Jetackuu 2014-06-17 09:10:44
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Where the are numbers on conservatives with regard to religiosity?

Don't know if this helps, but I found it very interesting. Break up of religion throughout Congress.

I'm impressed at that many unspecified.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-06-17 09:11:14
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Where the are numbers on conservatives with regard to religiosity?
Don't know if this helps, but I found it very interesting. Break up of religion throughout Congress.
So in the houses of congress there might be a total of 9 atheists? But they won't say for sure, because they're (probably) afraid it would hurt their position. Meaning there are more openly gay members of congress than openly atheist. I feel so well-represented it makes me sick to my ***.
Hey, as a Jewish conservative, I'm more underrepresented than you! Stick that in your pipe and smoke it! You've been out-minoritied!

I don't see a single openly atheist member there of any political party.
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »

So in the houses of congress there might be a total of 9 atheists?

But they won't say for sure, because they're (probably) afraid it would hurt their position.

Meaning there are more openly gay members of congress than openly atheist.

I feel so well-represented it makes me sick to my ***.
depends on your definition, at least as far as claims go, I see a possible 16.

edit: between both houses.

edit2: in some states it's a violation of their state constitution to elect atheist representatives.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-06-17 09:23:49
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the study is hilarious in and of itself in that the people conduct it are lying to themselves (and others) to make themselves feel better...

This is reminiscent of the conservatives are in better shape than liberals thread lol...
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By Carbuncle.Niusha 2014-06-17 09:23:50
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Well think about it like this, if they can't even be honest about their religious beliefs, who knows what other things they've been lying about? The economy? Job growth? Global warming? National defense? Iraq? Benghazi?

The list could go on and on.

That's a really bad line of thinking. Everyone puts on masks for others, to try to conform to societal norms. It's a huge leap in logic to say that because of that, we should discount their viewpoints on everything.

Not to mention this "study" is completely unscientific. Brushing aside the fact that it's from a group with an obvious agenda, how many respondents were there on phone vs online? Who knows? Not to mention the likely differences in demographics and locations between the respondents. It's likely that the majority of people who answered by phone were older - people who still have land lines and actually sit there and talk to people they don't know who call them. I don't know anyone my age who would do that. Young people these days are steering more and more away from religion - and guess what, they use the internet, not land lines.
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The wiki page on the Public Religion Research Institute features this warning label.

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By Bahamut.Habs 2014-06-17 09:43:31
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The Public Religion Research Institute.did the study....

you people believe stupid things,and think them to be true.

fortunately this liberal,believes religion has no place in the government.

if liberals prefer lies,over the truth.perhaps they just prefer to get along in society better.than say a lying conservative,that thinks its ok to lie if theyre protecting god.

as well if religion is OK,then you really cant complain if someone in another country is doing weird stuff in the name of their religion.i.e snatching up kids.or straping bombs to their chest.

I also think that this study was biased,with certain goals in mind when it was done.since last I checked,the pope lies to us often,priests bugger children,and there was a crusade.so ya,religion in politics aren't a good thing.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-06-17 09:53:24
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Bahamut.Habs said: »
as well if religion is OK,then you really cant complain if someone in another country is doing weird stuff in the name of their religion.i.e snatching up kids.or straping bombs to their chest.

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By Leviathan.Auuin 2014-06-17 10:07:33
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I hope I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain (what I consider the most enviable of all titles) the character of an "Honest Man." - George Washington
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By Leviathan.Auuin 2014-06-17 10:25:01
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I don't agree with how hostile this thread has become towards liberals or conservatives, but I do like what it had brought to light. A deeper discussioin about truth. Does truth matter? Would you rather be told the hard truth or a fancy lie? Do you care if your children tell you the truth? Do you want your wife, parents or boss to tell you the truth? If your trainer at work kept telling you "everything is fine" and then you were fired for poor performance, would you be ok with that? When does truth ceise to matter? Where's the line? Do we want leaders who lie?
"That you may retain your self-respect, it is better to displease the people by doing what you know is right, than to temporarily please them by doing what you know is wrong." -William Boetcker
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-17 10:31:08
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Leviathan.Auuin said: »
Does truth matter? Would you rather be told the hard truth or a fancy lie? Do you care if your children tell you the truth? Do you want your wife, parents or boss to tell you the truth?
Didn't anyone would see beyond the attention grabbing title to see to the real truth of this thread.

Well done.
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Honesty is important.

But just walking around being bluntly truthful and acting superior because you're "brutally honest and telling it like it is" doesn't make you somehow noble or edgy; it makes you a pretentious ***...no matter how many historical figures or proverbs you quote trying to sound like it's somehow noble.

For instance, if a shopper indicates he's distressed because he can't find clothing his size at a store because he's overweight, the clerk can say, "I'm sorry, sir, but we do not carry clothing lines in your size. May I reccomend our online outlet or (whatever store)?"

Inversely, while saying, "We don't carry things for rotund *** like you, and you probably knew that was likely to be the case before you rolled your fat *** in here", is also probably full of truth...the person is still a *** for phrasing it as such.

Some people will say they're somehow a facade or a cover-up of their true feelings to try to be nice while still being honest. But the truth of the situation is that if you're being "brutally honest", most of the time it just means you're looking to make someone feel bad in order to get your own jollies.

You can be honest without being a douche. It really is possible.

As for how it applies to this case, it's actually straight-up dishonest of them to report their findings in this fashion. Which is dripping with such irony someone should get a hazmat crew in here to clean it up.
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By Leviathan.Auuin 2014-06-17 11:09:59
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I couldn't agree any more!(now for the quote to look like a total doucher) 'Truth without love is brutality, and love without truth is hypocrisy.' XD
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-06-17 12:12:24
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Does truth matter? Would you rather be told the hard truth or a fancy lie? Do you care if your children tell you the truth? Do you want your wife, parents or boss to tell you the truth?
Didn't anyone would see beyond the attention grabbing title to see to the real truth of this thread.

Well done.
I might believe you actually meant that if you didn't take shots at liberals yourself and the fact that you never once addressed the value of truth in general.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-06-17 12:15:27
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Didn't anyone would see beyond the attention grabbing title to see to the real truth of this thread.

Well done.
So you posted a troll headline to start a discussion. Do such lies bring you comfort?

Also, lol @ The Public Religion Research Institute
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