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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-06-16 13:45:26
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We're Last! Again! U.S. Health Care Ranks Poorly

The latest look at the U.S. health care system compared to other rich countries shows — yet again — that the United States comes in dead last.

Americans spend far more per person on medical care, yet are less healthy than people in 10 other countries. The system is less fair than systems in other rich countries and it’s far less efficient, ranking last of 11 nations, the Commonwealth Fund report reads.

The nonprofit Commonwealth Fund has been publishing its report — based on data from the World Health Organization, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development and its own research — for a decade.

“Among the 11 nations studied in this report — Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and the United States — the U.S. ranks last, as it did in the 2010, 2007, 2006, and 2004 editions,” the report reads.

“Most troubling, the U.S. fails to achieve better health outcomes than the other countries, and as shown in the earlier editions, the U.S. is last or near last on dimensions of access, efficiency, and equity."

The embarrassing reports have been an impetus for health reform in the U.S. including the 2010 Affordable Care Act. Before the issue became a divisive political debate, both Republicans and Democrats agreed strongly on the need for health reform.

Some politicians have held up other countries’ health systems as examples of what they don’t want for the U.S., but the report finds countries with nationalized medical systems outperform the U.S. on all the measures.

“On indicators of efficiency, the U.S. ranks last among the 11 countries, with the U.K. and Sweden ranking first and second, respectively,” the report reads.

Americans aren’t living any longer, either. “The U.S. and U.K. had much higher death rates in 2007 from conditions amenable to medical care than some of the other countries, e.g., rates 25 percent to 50 percent higher than Australia and Sweden. Overall, France, Sweden, and Switzerland rank highest on healthy lives,” the report reads.

“The U.S. ranks a clear last on measures of equity. Americans with below-average incomes were much more likely than their counterparts in other countries to report not visiting a physician when sick; not getting a recommended test, treatment, or follow-up care; or not filling a prescription or skipping doses when needed because of costs.”

The Affordable Care Act, widely known as Obamacare, seeks to fix this by making private health insurance and Medicaid far more widely available.

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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-06-16 13:46:41
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In a country thats ruled by the all might dollar, and will destroy anyone to acquire it, this isnt exactly a surprise to me. - Heck, thats the reason im physically disabled for life'
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By fonewear 2014-06-16 13:47:41
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Thanks Obama !
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-06-16 13:50:32
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Add up all of those countries populations and the USA still has way more people to take care of.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-06-16 14:09:48
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Odin.Godofgods said: »
In a country thats ruled by the all might dollar, and will destroy anyone to acquire it, this isnt exactly a surprise to me. - Heck, thats the reason im physically disabled for life'

You take that back, we're one nation under God. The God of money.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-06-16 14:16:50
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Odin.Godofgods said: »
In a country thats ruled by the all might dollar, and will destroy anyone to acquire it, this isnt exactly a surprise to me. - Heck, thats the reason im physically disabled for life'

You take that back, we're one nation under God. The God of money.

First minute seems appropriate.
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By fonewear 2014-06-16 14:17:12
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Odin.Godofgods said: »
In a country that is ruled by patriarchy lawyers, and anime lovers will destroy anyone to acquire it, this isn't exactly a surprise to me. - Heck, that's the reason I'm drunk for life'
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-06-16 14:17:52
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Odin.Godofgods said: »
Heck, thats the reason im physically disabled for life'
Self-inflicted?

If so, can you share the secret?
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By fonewear 2014-06-16 14:19:11
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Odin.Godofgods said: »
Heck, thats the reason im physically disabled for life'
Self-inflicted?

If so, can you share the secret?


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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-06-16 14:20:34
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fonewear said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Odin.Godofgods said: »
Heck, thats the reason im physically disabled for life'
Self-inflicted?

If so, can you share the secret?


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So, the secret of being physically disabled for life is watching Seinfeld.

Eureka, I got it!
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By fonewear 2014-06-16 14:20:58
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Basically get a cane and fake it !
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Odin.Godofgods said: »
Heck, thats the reason im physically disabled for life'
Self-inflicted?

If so, can you share the secret?

short story;
injured at work.
delayed treatment.
sent to a fake doctor (Physicians Assistant operating alone.)
Malpractice (if that's technically possible by a fake)
Insisted it was 'impossible' to have a disk injury after looking at my back with her eyes.
Put me on a weight lifting 'therapy' during the day, while working with/lifting heavy cases all night at work.
Shockingly didn't get better so sent to workmens comp ortho.
Looked with eyes, said cant be a disk problem.
Gave me a back brace that was the size of my entire chest, and sent me back to work.

Of course by the time i could barley stand up or walk anymore, and i was collapsing in the isles with multi-ton machines with extremely limited visibility flying around... it became a bit harder to ignore.

In came private doctors, but the damage was already done.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-06-16 15:10:57
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Could you guys imagine how bad it'd be if it were universal health care?
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-06-16 15:16:04
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Add up all of those countries populations and the USA still has way more people to take care of.

This is something they never acknowledge when criticizing the US health care system. They also fail to acknowledge the huge number if immigrants the US has versus those other nations.

UCSF is one of the best hospitals in the world, providing top-of-the-notch patient care and amazing research. Hopkins, Ronald Reagan UCLA, Mayo Clinic, etc...the US healthcare system is hardly "horrible."
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-06-16 15:21:49
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Add up all of those countries populations and the USA still has way more people to take care of.

This is something they never acknowledge when criticizing the US health care system. They also fail to acknowledge the huge number if immigrants the US has versus those other nations.

UCSF is one of the best hospitals in the world, providing top-of-the-notch patient care and amazing research. Hopkins, Ronald Reagan UCLA, Mayo Clinic, etc...The US healthcare system is hardly "horrible."
But it is easy to pretend that there is an issue without addressing the real issue: affordability.

The reason why healthcare is unaffordable in America is that we are funding nearly the entire R&D of the world.

But if people want to make healthcare affordable, then we need to have other countries step up in taking over the R&D of the world...
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-16 15:25:28
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You get what you pay for.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-06-16 15:26:43
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
But it is easy to pretend that there is an issue without addressing the real issue: affordability.

The reason why healthcare is unaffordable in America is that we are funding nearly the entire R&D of the world.

But if people want to make healthcare affordable, then we need to have other countries step up in taking over the R&D of the world...

It's also easy to pretend foreign nations would be equipped to deal with the healthcare issues of the US on the same scale.

Part of the reason healthcare in the US is so expensive is not the fault of the government or the healthcare system itself, but rather the patients. American patient mentality is very different than other patients in that American patients don't care about preventative care. Preventative care is emphasized and valued a lot more outside of the US. Patients in the US don't want to hear about proper diet and exercise, they just want a new heart or lung when the time comes.

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Just look at this image. MRSA statistics are a direct reflection of antibiotic abuse, which is also a reflection of patient mentality. American patients don't want to hear about proper hand washing or waiting out a flu they want their magic pills to cure X disease NOW NOW NOW.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-16 15:32:48
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
American patients don't care about preventative care.
Agreed. And it's more than just healthcare too.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-16 15:33:42
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Just remember the 2 A's. Apathy and Arrogance.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-06-16 15:37:08
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
But it is easy to pretend that there is an issue without addressing the real issue: affordability.

The reason why healthcare is unaffordable in America is that we are funding nearly the entire R&D of the world.

But if people want to make healthcare affordable, then we need to have other countries step up in taking over the R&D of the world...

It's also easy to pretend foreign nations would be equipped to deal with the healthcare issues of the US on the same scale.

Part of the reason healthcare in the US is so expensive is not the fault of the government or the healthcare system itself, but rather the patients. American patient mentality is very different than other patients in that American patients don't care about preventative care. Preventative care is emphasized and valued a lot more outside of the US. Patients in the US don't want to hear about proper diet and exercise, they just want a new heart or lung when the time comes.
True.

Our culture of laziness is contributing to our own demise.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-06-16 16:01:28
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
But it is easy to pretend that there is an issue without addressing the real issue: affordability.

The reason why healthcare is unaffordable in America is that we are funding nearly the entire R&D of the world.

But if people want to make healthcare affordable, then we need to have other countries step up in taking over the R&D of the world...

It's also easy to pretend foreign nations would be equipped to deal with the healthcare issues of the US on the same scale.

Part of the reason healthcare in the US is so expensive is not the fault of the government or the healthcare system itself, but rather the patients. American patient mentality is very different than other patients in that American patients don't care about preventative care. Preventative care is emphasized and valued a lot more outside of the US. Patients in the US don't want to hear about proper diet and exercise, they just want a new heart or lung when the time comes.
True.

Our culture of laziness is contributing to our own demise.

Laziness is a weird thing. It's like those people that spend countless hours pimping out their cars, but using their turn signal? That's too hard!
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By Sylph.Safiyyah 2014-06-16 16:02:09
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
You get what you pay for.

Absolutely. If you have good coverage and/or money to pay for procedures, health care in America is excellent. But if you don't, you can wait until you are literally dying and get treated in the ER. Maybe.

Some of us here in America feel like there's something wrong with that. Most of the industrialized world agrees. But we are constantly fighting the "bootstraps" crowd (aka "I got mine, *** you.")
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-06-16 16:12:13
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
The reason why healthcare is unaffordable in America is that we are funding nearly the entire R&D of the world.
ANything to support this though? I see this repeated often and it doesn't sound completely implausible, but what keeps R&D costs within the US only?
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-06-16 16:19:26
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Another thing people seem to glaze over is how big of a money sink most hospitals are. They try to recoup these costs by increasing prices/basic labs/transport costs/etc, trying to get as much money out of insurance and private parties as possible.

If you go into any "big" hospital in pretty much any city, you'll notice a plaque on the wall that says something along the lines of

"This hospital cannot refuse care of a patient who is ill/injured/in labor despite lack of insurance or ability to pay."

Which translates to billions of dollars of lost revenue because people see it as "free healthcare" and don't pay their bills or claim medical bankruptcy before any of the costs to the facility are remotely made back. The law was put into place to help protect patients, but all it ended up doing was creating a loophole that millions of people abuse, most of the time unknowingly. Many community hospitals offer things like free/reduced prescriptions, outreach programs, preventative care programs to try and help people not inadvertently abuse the ER by trying to make it primary care, but all of it is so often ignored. If any of you are in the DFW area, go to Parkland or JPS to get the idea of what I mean.

Stack this on top of insurance companies trying to loophole themselves out of as much costs as they can and it becomes mass inflation on needed procedures, and tacking on as many needless ones as possible.

You're right on preventative care being one of the leading factors. Another factor consider is lack of a primary care so many people have, or the increasing cost of maintaining one. Doc-in-the-box places like Care Now and such are trying to fill this gap, but since they are privately owned they can refuse care to anyone, they can outsource bills to collection agencies, and they can negatively affect your credit if you don't pay. That dissuades people from using these facilities (even though they tend to be drastically cheaper than what a non-insured patient would be charged for the same thing at an ER) when they know they can go to a community hospital and abuse the ER as primary care for what is ultimately free.

If people could get help at reasonable prices (flu shots, basic antibiotics, small stitches, the general "I don't feel well" doctor visit), it would cut down on useless and unpaid ER visits, which could drastically lower costs all around.

Combining preventative medicine education and lowered primary care costs would probably flip the US to the top of the chart, despite the massive population differences.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-06-16 16:26:24
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Fenrir.Weakness said: »
Doc-in-the-box places like Care Now and such are trying to fill this gap, but since they are privately owned they can refuse care to anyone, they can outsource bills to collection agencies, and they can negatively affect your credit if you don't pay.
This is entirely the fault of the physician community. They don't want to loose their right to prescribe, it's the bread-and-butter of their income.

Realistically though, a nurse practitioner(even an RN I'd argue) or pharmacist is fully capable of prescribing a round of antibiotics for a simple throat infection.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-06-16 16:27:28
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Can't even trust physicians to do it.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-06-16 16:32:11
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Fenrir.Weakness said: »
Doc-in-the-box places like Care Now and such are trying to fill this gap, but since they are privately owned they can refuse care to anyone, they can outsource bills to collection agencies, and they can negatively affect your credit if you don't pay.
This is entirely the fault of the physician community. They don't want to loose their right to prescribe, it's the bread-and-butter of their income.

Realistically though, a nurse practitioner(even an RN I'd argue) or pharmacist is fully capable of prescribing a round of antibiotics for a simple throat infection.

While hardly applying to all practitioners in the specific field, "pain management physician" and "drug dealer" are often only differentiated by a medical license.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-06-16 16:36:14
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
While hardly applying to all practitioners in the specific field, "pain management physician" and "drug dealer" are often only differentiated by a medical license.

I dunno If I'd go that far lol. State medical boards have been coming down on physicians with respective addictive medication classes(e.g. benzos, opiates). That's something physicians are trained to do, recognize withdrawal symptoms. A drug dealer isn't going to be able to realistically diagnose withdrawal and be able to treat it accordingly.
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-06-16 16:40:39
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The way our system is set up is that doctors are the ones with the power. Most nurse practitioners and physician's assistance can prescribe drugs without consultation, but they are doing so under the license of their doctor who gave them that power.

So if a NP or PA screws up, the doctor gets in just as much trouble as the person who screwed up. Which is why you don't really see a lot of NP's or PA's with that power outside of family practice and ERs.

The only real cure for this problem would be to expand education programs to give that power to lesser certifications. The flip side of this is that education and malpractice insurance costs for those jobs would sky rocket. So those jobs would want a bump in pay grade or they would end up with more education and making less net income than a normal RN.


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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-06-16 16:45:24
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Fenrir.Weakness said: »
The only real cure for this problem would be to expand education programs to give that power to lesser certifications. The flip side of this is that education and malpractice insurance costs for those jobs would sky rocket. So those jobs would want a bump in pay grade or they would end up with more education and making less net income than a normal RN.

NP's already have more than enough background in pharmacology to prescribe. NP's typically receive a curriculum of pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics in addition to a general pharmacology course.

EDIT: The solution would be to give NP's and pharmacists full prescription authority, independent of a physician. I don't support PA's having full prescription authority simply because their training is based on working under a physician.
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