Grumpy Cat said: »
I call ***.
White House Will Regulate Cow Flatulence
White House will regulate cow flatulence
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
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Anyhow, serious question for those who know: how are cattle ranched these days? I presume we can't lock them in cube-shaped cages the size of a full-grown steer the way we do with chickens, but would it be feasible to, say, cover over at least some pasture and barn areas to collect the methane liberated prior to manure collection and processing? ....
Anyhow, serious question for those who know: how are cattle ranched these days? I presume we can't lock them in cube-shaped cages the size of a full-grown steer the way we do with chickens, but would it be feasible to, say, cover over at least some pasture and barn areas to collect the methane liberated prior to manure collection and processing? ....
Hundreds to a few thousand cows. they all get milked twice a day and the milking goes on 24/7/365. The assorted covered cow accessible spaces can hold maybe 15% - 20% of the herd.
There are perhaps 50 different ways to raise beef cattle. Most beef cattle never have a roof over their heads until its slaughterhouse time.
Siren.Mosin said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
You might want to open a newspaper or go to a news website once in a while.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
As the old saying goes, light a match!
Problem solved. Might not work out so well for the cows, but you can't win 'em all.
The cows in Germany apparently already tried it, with minor consequences.
Source
Problem solved. Might not work out so well for the cows, but you can't win 'em all.
The cows in Germany apparently already tried it, with minor consequences.
Source
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Oh please don't ask him to do that.
I have masochistic tendencies, I apologize.
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Having been a small dairy farmer I find this all quite humorous.
My cows would be out on pasture 95% of the time during spring,summer and fall and are fed grain twice a day when milking.
My cows live 8-18yrs and have little need of Antibiotics.
Mega-dairy cows are under a roof being fed corn silage mixed with the minerals they need, to produce as much milk as possible. They get milked 3-5 times per day to maximize profit because they only live 4-5yrs max! They are given Antibiotics regularly and if they have not already dead by 5 yrs old, they are shipped to slaughter and the (meat if thats what you want to call it) is sent to fast food joints. Ever wonder why fast food was cheap?
The humorous part of all this is, my style of dairy farming has been pretty much eradicated by mega-dairys and government regulation meant to curb the horrible ***coming out of them.
The people screwed the most is people like you all "the consumers", who have no idea wtf is going on and most likely have never even seen a cow in your life.
My cows would be out on pasture 95% of the time during spring,summer and fall and are fed grain twice a day when milking.
My cows live 8-18yrs and have little need of Antibiotics.
Mega-dairy cows are under a roof being fed corn silage mixed with the minerals they need, to produce as much milk as possible. They get milked 3-5 times per day to maximize profit because they only live 4-5yrs max! They are given Antibiotics regularly and if they have not already dead by 5 yrs old, they are shipped to slaughter and the (meat if thats what you want to call it) is sent to fast food joints. Ever wonder why fast food was cheap?
The humorous part of all this is, my style of dairy farming has been pretty much eradicated by mega-dairys and government regulation meant to curb the horrible ***coming out of them.
The people screwed the most is people like you all "the consumers", who have no idea wtf is going on and most likely have never even seen a cow in your life.
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Altimaomega said: »
Having been a small dairy farmer I find this all quite humorous.
My cows would be out on pasture 95% of the time during spring,summer and fall and are fed grain twice a day when milking.
My cows live 8-18yrs and have little need of Antibiotics.
Mega-dairy cows are under a roof being fed corn silage mixed with the minerals they need, to produce as much milk as possible. They get milked 3-5 times per day to maximize profit because they only live 4-5yrs max! They are given Antibiotics regularly and if they have not already dead by 5 yrs old, they are shipped to slaughter and the (meat if thats what you want to call it) is sent to fast food joints. Ever wonder why fast food was cheap?
The humorous part of all this is, my style of dairy farming has been pretty much eradicated by mega-dairys and government regulation meant to curb the horrible ***coming out of them.
The people screwed the most is people like you all "the consumers", who have no idea wtf is going on and most likely have never even seen a cow in your life.
My cows would be out on pasture 95% of the time during spring,summer and fall and are fed grain twice a day when milking.
My cows live 8-18yrs and have little need of Antibiotics.
Mega-dairy cows are under a roof being fed corn silage mixed with the minerals they need, to produce as much milk as possible. They get milked 3-5 times per day to maximize profit because they only live 4-5yrs max! They are given Antibiotics regularly and if they have not already dead by 5 yrs old, they are shipped to slaughter and the (meat if thats what you want to call it) is sent to fast food joints. Ever wonder why fast food was cheap?
The humorous part of all this is, my style of dairy farming has been pretty much eradicated by mega-dairys and government regulation meant to curb the horrible ***coming out of them.
The people screwed the most is people like you all "the consumers", who have no idea wtf is going on and most likely have never even seen a cow in your life.
But what does it have to do with the proposed regulation?
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Having been a small dairy farmer I find this all quite humorous.
My cows would be out on pasture 95% of the time during spring,summer and fall and are fed grain twice a day when milking.
My cows live 8-18yrs and have little need of Antibiotics.
Mega-dairy cows are under a roof being fed corn silage mixed with the minerals they need, to produce as much milk as possible. They get milked 3-5 times per day to maximize profit because they only live 4-5yrs max! They are given Antibiotics regularly and if they have not already dead by 5 yrs old, they are shipped to slaughter and the (meat if thats what you want to call it) is sent to fast food joints. Ever wonder why fast food was cheap?
The humorous part of all this is, my style of dairy farming has been pretty much eradicated by mega-dairys and government regulation meant to curb the horrible ***coming out of them.
The people screwed the most is people like you all "the consumers", who have no idea wtf is going on and most likely have never even seen a cow in your life.
My cows would be out on pasture 95% of the time during spring,summer and fall and are fed grain twice a day when milking.
My cows live 8-18yrs and have little need of Antibiotics.
Mega-dairy cows are under a roof being fed corn silage mixed with the minerals they need, to produce as much milk as possible. They get milked 3-5 times per day to maximize profit because they only live 4-5yrs max! They are given Antibiotics regularly and if they have not already dead by 5 yrs old, they are shipped to slaughter and the (meat if thats what you want to call it) is sent to fast food joints. Ever wonder why fast food was cheap?
The humorous part of all this is, my style of dairy farming has been pretty much eradicated by mega-dairys and government regulation meant to curb the horrible ***coming out of them.
The people screwed the most is people like you all "the consumers", who have no idea wtf is going on and most likely have never even seen a cow in your life.
But what does it have to do with the proposed regulation?
It has everything to do with the proposed regulation. When things like this are passed they affect small and mega the same. What people do not understand is the Mega are heavily subsidized by the government. Long story short the government is gonna fine the mega-farms, then turn around and give the money back in the form of a subsidy. The small dairy's (The few that still exists) will be once again crushed by government regulation. While the government and mega-dairys continue on with the massive grip they have on your food supply.
P.S. This is happening in every single form of business one way or the other. Its not hard to recognize once you know what to look for.
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Ok, valid point.
So do you have no concern for the environmental future of the planet or are you simply protesting that mega-corporations are in bed with government? Put another way, if you were asked to do something about your cattle's methane expulsions (which, for the 40th time, should be a source of profit/income over the medium-to-long term), would you do it, or would you refuse to by protesting the corruption that is grinding down your personal business regardless of what form it takes?
So do you have no concern for the environmental future of the planet or are you simply protesting that mega-corporations are in bed with government? Put another way, if you were asked to do something about your cattle's methane expulsions (which, for the 40th time, should be a source of profit/income over the medium-to-long term), would you do it, or would you refuse to by protesting the corruption that is grinding down your personal business regardless of what form it takes?
I guess I have never seen a truly mega dairy Alti.
Every one I have seen has the cows mostly outside when not being milked although many never see much pasturage.
Biggest ones out here run a few thousand cows.
So I guess in the more industrial setting you describe they could collect some methane through floor vents.
Every one I have seen has the cows mostly outside when not being milked although many never see much pasturage.
Biggest ones out here run a few thousand cows.
So I guess in the more industrial setting you describe they could collect some methane through floor vents.
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Ok, valid point.
So do you have no concern for the environmental future of the planet or are you simply protesting that mega-corporations are in bed with government? Put another way, if you were asked to do something about your cattle's methane expulsions (which, for the 40th time, should be a source of profit/income over the medium-to-long term), would you do it, or would you refuse to by protesting the corruption that is grinding down your personal business regardless of what form it takes?
So do you have no concern for the environmental future of the planet or are you simply protesting that mega-corporations are in bed with government? Put another way, if you were asked to do something about your cattle's methane expulsions (which, for the 40th time, should be a source of profit/income over the medium-to-long term), would you do it, or would you refuse to by protesting the corruption that is grinding down your personal business regardless of what form it takes?
There is absolutely nothing that can be done for cow farts. (lmao)
I don't know if they are using the cow fart thing for sensationalism or if the people writing this article are just completely stupid. Cow ***in storage pools is what his should be about, its the only thing that can be controlled. The bigger the farm the bigger the pools, I've seen olympic size cow ***pools that more than likely produce quite a bit of methane.
Small dairy's that have cows on pasture produce far less ***per cow, and do not require a storage pool because they don't deal with liquid ***.
Mega-Dairy's have the cows on massive concrete floors that drain into storage pools, then it is syphoned out and spread onto fields. THEN it rains a drains into the rivers, lakes, and streams!
I have heard of a new type of storage for this type of thing, instead of pools and spreading. The liquid ***is put into a high heated system and comes out dry and sterile. Then its used for bedding.
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There's been at least a few farms that have actually turned the manure into an energy source for the farm, however it is dangerous and requires a good deal of equipment/monitoring to do, however it actually would be used as a power source.
I'm not saying this is the answer, and it would need to be examined for it's cost and environmental applications, but it would be a potential solution to just storing the ***, literally.
I believe there was a dirty jobs thing on it or something.
I'm not saying this is the answer, and it would need to be examined for it's cost and environmental applications, but it would be a potential solution to just storing the ***, literally.
I believe there was a dirty jobs thing on it or something.
Altimaomega said: »
There is absolutely nothing that can be done for cow farts.
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Jetackuu said: »
There's been at least a few farms that have actually turned the manure into an energy source for the farm, however it is dangerous and requires a good deal of equipment/monitoring to do, however it actually would be used as a power source.
I'm not saying this is the answer, and it would need to be examined for it's cost and environmental applications, but it would be a potential solution to just storing the ***, literally....
I'm not saying this is the answer, and it would need to be examined for it's cost and environmental applications, but it would be a potential solution to just storing the ***, literally....
This is OLD tech. In the hippy back to the land '60s there was a big push to alternative energy. One of the things investigated was methane converters. They found WWII era info on them and took it from there.
Things have improved over the last 50 years though and with current mechanical and biological advances the process had been shortened from 30 days to 15 or 18. Its flow through and the effluent is STILL great fertilizer.
Manure/Methane Digester - Minnesota Conservation Funding Guide
And a home made one:
I so suck at linking Utube....
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
.... if you were asked to do something about your cattle's methane expulsions (which, for the 40th time, should be a source of profit/income over the medium-to-long term)....
Altimaomega said: »
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I don't know if they are using the cow fart thing for sensationalism or if the people writing this article are just completely stupid. Cow ***in storage pools is what his should be about, its the only thing that can be controlled. The bigger the farm the bigger the pools, I've seen olympic size cow ***pools that more than likely produce quite a bit of methane.
I don't know if they are using the cow fart thing for sensationalism or if the people writing this article are just completely stupid. Cow ***in storage pools is what his should be about, its the only thing that can be controlled. The bigger the farm the bigger the pools, I've seen olympic size cow ***pools that more than likely produce quite a bit of methane.
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I have heard of a new type of storage for this type of thing, instead of pools and spreading. The liquid ***is put into a high heated system and comes out dry and sterile. Then its used for bedding.
Altimaomega said: »
There is absolutely nothing that can be done for cow farts. (lmao)
You also ignored my question. Since your kind of farming produces fewer emissions, this should be the perfect time to step up and say, "Look at me, I produce better milk, better beef, I release fewer greenhouse gases, AND I economically convert my waste products into clean energy!" As in, this regulation could be used to better yourself. Or you could whine about gub'mint controlling your life and selling you out to big business. I'm sure that'll help, too.
Garuda.Chanti said: »
And a home made one:
I so suck at linking Utube....
I so suck at linking Utube....
YouTube Video Placeholder
For future reference: enclose the URL in square-bracket youtube tags (same as how you use square-brackets around i to italicize) and make sure the URL is http:// instead of https://
I push the YouTube button, I insert the link, it comes up tilt...
You are signed into youtube that is where the https comes from. I've done it a million times.
Got it and thanks Fone and Ono.
Waitaminuet Fone. You aren't supposed to make sense. You are slipping.
Waitaminuet Fone. You aren't supposed to make sense. You are slipping.
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No problem. It frustrates me too. I forget about the "s".
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I have heard of a new type of storage for this type of thing, instead of pools and spreading. The liquid ***is put into a high heated system and comes out dry and sterile. Then its used for bedding.
Yeah, its completely sterile but using it for bedding is a huge plus for cost saving in the long run.
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Altimaomega said: »
There is absolutely nothing that can be done for cow farts. (lmao)
You also ignored my question. Since your kind of farming produces fewer emissions, this should be the perfect time to step up and say, "Look at me, I produce better milk, better beef, I release fewer greenhouse gases, AND I economically convert my waste products into clean energy!" As in, this regulation could be used to better yourself. Or you could whine about gub'mint controlling your life and selling you out to big business. I'm sure that'll help, too.
Hey thats a great idea, wonder why I never thought of that! Ohhh yea thats right because its illegal for me to sell my milk unless its to a dairy plant....................... Well I guess I could build my own plant and distribute my milk that way, I'll just need to buy 1000 more cows build another barn put in a storage pool... wait a minute ><
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Yes, be bitchy. It really demonstrates what your priority actually is.
I am not a dairy farmer. I do not know what kind of dairy farm you run. If you don't sell milk, I assume you do sell beef. So my point stands, but you're going to wander off on a tangent because you're not actually interested in doing anything but whinging about how big business and the government want your blood and your first-born and your soul.
I am not a dairy farmer. I do not know what kind of dairy farm you run. If you don't sell milk, I assume you do sell beef. So my point stands, but you're going to wander off on a tangent because you're not actually interested in doing anything but whinging about how big business and the government want your blood and your first-born and your soul.
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Yes, be bitchy. It really demonstrates what your priority actually is.
I am not a dairy farmer. I do not know what kind of dairy farm you run. If you don't sell milk, I assume you do sell beef. So my point stands, but you're going to wander off on a tangent because you're not actually interested in doing anything but whinging about how big business and the government want your blood and your first-born and your soul.
I am not a dairy farmer. I do not know what kind of dairy farm you run. If you don't sell milk, I assume you do sell beef. So my point stands, but you're going to wander off on a tangent because you're not actually interested in doing anything but whinging about how big business and the government want your blood and your first-born and your soul.
Thats me being sarcastic because you have no clue what your talking about. I didnt wander off on anything it is ILLEGAL for me to sell milk to ANYONE besides a DAIRY PROCESSING PLANT please learn how to read.
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And that's not my *** point. Which is patently obvious to anyone who can read.
Swear to heaven and earth, some of the people on this forum dodge so constantly that I suspect they're actually Thief players using their SP.
Swear to heaven and earth, some of the people on this forum dodge so constantly that I suspect they're actually Thief players using their SP.
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
And that's not my *** point. Which is patently obvious to anyone who can read.
Swear to heaven and earth, some of the people on this forum dodge so constantly that I suspect they're actually Thief players using their SP.
Swear to heaven and earth, some of the people on this forum dodge so constantly that I suspect they're actually Thief players using their SP.
WTF are you talking about I answered your question, what did I dodge? [/quote] Swear to heaven and earth, some of the people on this forum dodge so constantly that I suspect they're actually Thief players using their SP.[/quote]
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The question is not about whether or not you can *** sell milk. The question is whether you're going to either use the opportunity presented by the new regulation to promote your business or instead whine about how it will destroy your business because the government and mega-corporations are determined to destroy you.
Additionally, I've asked two or three times if you have any concern about being environmentally cleaner, as is the goal of the legislation, and you've said nothing on that count.
Additionally, I've asked two or three times if you have any concern about being environmentally cleaner, as is the goal of the legislation, and you've said nothing on that count.
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
The question is not about whether or not you can *** sell milk. The question is whether you're going to either use the opportunity presented by the new regulation to promote your business or instead whine about how it will destroy your business because the government and mega-corporations are determined to destroy you.
Additionally, I've asked two or three times if you have any concern about being environmentally cleaner, as is the goal of the legislation, and you've said nothing on that count.
Additionally, I've asked two or three times if you have any concern about being environmentally cleaner, as is the goal of the legislation, and you've said nothing on that count.
You must be to wrapped up in yourself to understand that, in order to take this "opportunity presented by the new regulation to promote my business" I would have to BECOME A MEGA-DAIRY in order to afford it, thus DEFEATING the opportunity.
As for my concern about the environment and the goal of this. I think Mega-Dairy's are a huge environmental problem. However,
I'm positive w/o doubt that this legislation has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with money and control.
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Yeah, see, you have in no way explained why you'd need to expand your business. Telling me "It's illegal for me to sell milk!" does not translate because I'm not a dairy farmer. You're very bad at making yourself understood. So try really, really hard to take more than 3 seconds bashing your face into your keyboard and explicate why your farm, which produces a higher-quality product at a lower environmental cost, would need to expand in order to promote itself.
Your knee-jerk, talk-radio paranoia in regards to government action is noted and disagreed with. Maybe next time I won't have to ask three times.
Your knee-jerk, talk-radio paranoia in regards to government action is noted and disagreed with. Maybe next time I won't have to ask three times.
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
or instead whine about how it will destroy your business because the government and mega-corporations are determined to destroy you.
Altimaomega said: »
You must be to wrapped up in yourself to understand that, in order to take this "opportunity presented by the new regulation to promote my business" I would have to BECOME A MEGA-DAIRY in order to afford it, thus DEFEATING the opportunity.
Chalk 1 up to mega corporations destroying the little guy.
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