New Jug Pets

In other words, does this mean you can pop the new pets above lv99 as long as you have BA merits, even without mainhanding an iLVL100+ weapon?

Those new pets can spawn at greater than lv99 without Beast Affinity merits if you have a >99 weapon.

It sucks they added pets that on release require additional beast affinity merits. Are ANY of the pets good enough to swap out falcorr?

Also, thank you Falkirk for the pet's natural level caps.

edit:
I recently got the new axe, Hunahpu. One level shouldn't make enough of a difference, but if I got my hands on the Kerehcatl, I could see the five levels as enough of a reason to swap him out for one of them.

Chimerawizard summed it up nicely. :)

Here are some examples of situations and how your pet level will end up:

1) You're a level 99 BST with magian axes or some other weapon that is iLvl < 100. You have 5/5 Beast Affinity merits and augmented Monster Gloves +2. Your pets are going to be level 99. This includes the new jug pets, they'll be level 99 too.

2) You have Icoyoca/Faizzeer/Forefront Axe/Hunahpu/Kerehcatl in your main hand (all weapons are iLvl > 105), but you have 0/5 Beast Affinity Merits. FaithfulFalcorr (or Merle/Dipper/Lucky/etc.) will be level 99 in this case also. However Dortwin/Malfik/Xerin will be summoned at their natural cap (103/104/105, respectively).

3) You've got Brethren Axe (iLvl 113) and 5/5 Beast Affinity merits and augmented Monster Gloves +2. Falcorr/Dortwin/Malfik/Xerin will all spawn at level 113.

4) You've got Hunahpu (iLvl 115) and 5/5 Beast Affinity merits and augmented Monster Gloves +2. Falcorr (et al) will spawn at level 114, but Dortwin/Malfik/Xerin will all be level 115.

5) You've got Kerehcatl (iLvl 119?) and 5/5 Beast Affinity merits and augmented Monster Gloves +2. Falcorr (et al) will spawn at level 114, Dortwin will spawn at level 118, Malfik and Xerin will spawn at level 119.

I'd comment more on HeraldHenry, but haven't been able to test as much due to lack of plasm/lack of Kerehcatl. ; ;

I hope that clears it up.

I still think there is something off in your examples or I'm not grasping how the pet lvs work yet. I did a test with Dipper yesterday and saw no difference for him. Here was my set up:

Lv 99 BST
5/5 BA merits
NO Monster gloves (waiting on dealer moggle to pop)
Forefront axe (iLV 106)

With that set up dipper should have popped at what?

SE update notes said with BA the old pets could pop past lv 99 now.
SO with no axe involved he would pop @ 107-109 for this example yes?.
With axe equipped he would pop @ 106 or still 107-109?
After pop i swapped 106 axe with a pdt axe and vice versa and saw no increase/decrease in pet HP.

What am I missing here?

No, with no axe Yuly would be caped @99, and without gloves at all, Yuly can pop 0-2 lvls below Master, even with 5/5 BA merits, I think.

Edit: also your pet can't go past your mainhand' iLVL (iLVL= Item Level)

You must be using the main hand weapon to get the level increase. If you unequip it the mobs level will drop, if you equip the high level weapon again it will jump up in levels again.

Mainhand Item LVL = Max level a pet can spawn (Pets can't go past this level, doesn't matter how many BA merits you have, augments or the Jug's Cap)

When trying to determine your pet's lvl, take into consideration mainhand iLVL, then add the jug's natural cap lvl + AB merits + augments.

Like the example of Falkirk:
Mainhand iLVL 119 (This is the highest item level axe a bst can currently own, no bst pet can be higher than lvl 119 at the time being for players) Falcorr caps at 99, 5/5 BA merits (+10 lvls) + Augment (+5 lvls) 99+10+5=114.

P.S. I mentioned a Falcorr ilvl 115 in previous posts but I was under the impression those jugs didn't cap @99 after the fix, apparently they do! thanks to Falkirk for all the new testing/info.

Still doesn't make sense to me. With axe equipped then dipper would be 106. Remove axe hes 99? Reequip axe hes back to 106. I tried this and his HP did not change.

My theory is that if pets can pop higher than the main hand weapon lv just using BA alone, then it disregards the iLv weapon entirely. So dipper popped 107-109 using BA. Using axe lv he would have been lower at 106 which would have made BA merits useless with the description SE gave us below, so it just stayed 107-109. Which would account for the HP not changing at all.


The effects of the “Beast Affinity” job trait earned through merit points will now apply even above level 99. The following pets have the possibility of being greater than level 99.

Slippery Silas / Turbid Toloi / Crafty Clyvonne / Dipper Yuly / Flowerpot Merle / Luckly Lulush / Nursery Nazuna / Dapper Mac / Discreet Louise / Fatso Fargann / Presto Julio / Malibuster Cetas / Audacious Anna / Swift Sieghard / Faithful Falcorr / Bloodclaw Shasra / Bugeyed Broncha / Gorefang Hobs / Gooey Gerard / Crude Raphie

My theory, SE f'd up. Either the pet didn't get his level reduced ever, OR it stayed 99 when you re-equipped the iLvl axe.

Your theory is sadly the correct one most likely :(

Even with merits and Axe equipped, old pets have terrible acc on most of the Marjami Ravine mobs and even more so on the Reive ones.

Or maybe it doesn't gets an HP boost at all, and just +stats/eva/attack/acc? I know for a fact Alternator doesn't gives HP/mp boosts even though it makes Puppets lvl 113.

Monsters in Marjami are at least lvl 115, and those new purple birds have some sort of evasion traits for sure.

jug pets sounds like a euphemism for breasts.

Highest I have seen in Marjami are ~ 108 with most being 105 to 107.

Always keep a pair of jugs in hand? sounds good to me.

Any easy way to test stat increases then?

Kinda sad if adding levels doesn't give HP to old pets. The new pets are pretty lack luster imo and hard to find ingredients for atm. Not paying 225K for a stack of new crabs.

Went to Abyssea, used Call Beast without Monster Gloves (but I do have Beast Affinity merits) and repeated your test. The HP bar dropped by 1% (you're using PetTP plugin to see the change, yes?). So I'm not really sure how, but either your test was screwed up (did you have atma on? The HP drop can happen around the same time as an HP restoration tic from being idle, so you need to watch closely) or Forefront Axe is borked.

Healing Salve info for Dipper:
When using your Forefront Axe, lower DipperYuly's HP below 50% and use a Healing Salve - it will restore ~2064 HP (~4128 MaxHP @ level 106). And when you de-equip it, do the same and you'll get ~2046 HP restored (level 99 DipperYuly MaxHP is 4092).

Report back if that doesn't work.

Also of note: there is no level variance for post-100 Jug Pets, even without Monster Gloves. So you're always spawning a level 106 DipperYuly in your instance.

Did my test in Marjami Revine so no atma involved and yes to using PetTp. Anyone else have a Forefront axe and can do the same test?

I'll try again tonight when I get home from work in Revine and Abby using your suggested tests.

It does, i did a simple test, called my pet with the lvl 113 axe. took the axe off, then equip it again and my pet's hp is then at 98%.

And it's stupid obvious when fighting a mob if you change the high level axe for lvl 99 axe.

Cool, thanks man.

@Cziella: You said you had Hunahpu? :) Would love to know if you (or anyone else who feels up to the task) could test for level 114 LuckyLulush's MaxHP. I've got all of his HP values nailed down except that final one.

Level Max HP
*99 4912
100 4912
101 4918
102 4924
103 4932
104 4938
105 4946
106 4952
107 4958
108 4966
109 4972
110 4980
111 4986
112 (4994)
113 5000

It should be 5006ish (Healing Salve restores 2503 HP). Thanks for any assistance. Cheers.~

2064 heal just as you expected in Abby. And drooped to 99% when swapping to pdt axe as expected.

I'm guessing the lag in Marjami was causing my PetTP to not update or I was doing something else wrong.

Thanks for all the testing and good info Falkirk!

Awesome, thanks for the info. :)

And just as a quick note about level 114 LuckyLulush, I got Hunahpu Axe this evening and confirmed his MaxHP is 5006. You can consider this an extra confirmation that having an iLvl 115+ main hand weapon yields a level 114 pet with 5/5 Beast Affinity and Monster Gloves +2 (as far as the old 99-cap pets are concerned).

Cheers.

so that just means my mythic passive traits even got another kick in the face now... gg se.... cant even let me main hand my mythic for the pet attack and sic/ready stuff...

the thing i actually don't get is... do i have to have the new delve axe on full time for that above Lv99 pet to stay above 99?? or can i just swap out back to my mythic axe after i call it out for a pet only situation??

You need to wear the Axe full time.

For now sir - adjusments are coming. Only question is "when" - but the adjustments are coming to REM weapons :)

Noob question: Do you have to keep Monster Gloves +2 on to maintain Lv 114 Falcorr, or only while using Call Beast (since you have to keep iLvl in main hand to maintain level).

Thanks!

Monster Gloves+2 just force the jug to Spawn at your level, not in the normal variable range. So no, just macro it in on when you Call Beast.

So since the bst jug page isn't being updated anymore on wiki thought would try get the new jug pet types and jobs identified here.

salubrious broth

fizzy broth

saline broth

wispy broth

I think that is all of them. So does anyone know?

Hello ~
quick question lest say i have Guttler ilvl BA 5/5 gloves augmented, bst for salvage "only" i know the lvl of pet is depend on main hand axe etc etc.. what about this new pet "Attentive Ibuki"
i know is expensive pet but thats not the answer im looking.

His Attack -
His Evasion -
His Defense -
THX. for ur time on reading and answering.

Att.
Yankke
{Valefor}