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I tried to imitate SE NA-localization's level of general cheeseball in Adoulin. I mean, we have a quest called "To Catch a Predator," and one of the quests has a Scooby Doo reference in the dialogue.

That too.

I havent seen anyone else comment about this. Everyone is freaking out too quickly, knowing SE its most likely what is gonna happen. Also saw someone mentionning no ws while equiping, i could see that happening and that would make those weapon best to swap during long amnesia or salvage without abilities. Yeah, im calling it. i dont have RME so those would make me happy, but i 100% sure they wont beat them. (and no im not lazy i've helped tons of people to build empy. im just mostly mage and never worked toward getting one for myself)

edit:added stuff.. as always

They could always update that BLU NPC that gives you Mythic WS. His name escapes me even though I did 99% of them, lol. That or make a new NPC similar to him for R/E WSs.

The NA localization team are my heroes.

"Dont Clam up on me Now"
"Hop to It"
"The Old Man and the Harpoon"
"No Rime like the Present"

Puns and references everywhere!

Press seal here and all your Jeuno are belong to us.
This is madness! This..... is BCG!

Trying to recall if they referenced over 9000.

Its going to be for the last part of their future relic type weapon, its gonna be collect 9001 item with a drop rate of 30% and of a boss that takes 2 weeks to farm a single pop set with an alliance. Or something like that. Boss is gonna be a monkey called goku. They are saving it!

No. Just no...

My favorite is Snake on the Plains.

I'm on a Boat

I've been busy! :x

F***ing Magnets!

Maybe that is true for mythics. Buy Myrkr is only used to convert or get back MP as an example. Now I would have insentive to make it 99 if it let me use that weapon skill on any staff I used. Hence PW's +20 INT staff.

Almace is the same in a blu's hands. We do it right now to make the strongest CA SC combo. Letting us quest these weapons to 99, then unlock for any weapon use would make sure people would chase these for years to come.

Apoc is similar, it can be used in low man. At a later date if they add a higher base dmg weapon no problem. I can use CATA with it.

For some people they get the accomplishment of unlocking the weapon skill itself. Not always using it for years and never looking at new weapons that come out.

I would think even the 99 MoT weapons could do really well if they could use the REM WS's unlocked already.

In the case of R/E/M in FFXI, it's different. Many other MMORPG isn't nearly as time consuming and mind numbing grind as FFXI. I'm ok with an piece of equip outdated in 50 hours of grind, but I'm not ok with a piece outdated after 3 years(that's the amount of time I spent on Mythic as a very casual player) of grind.


R/E/M is also "legendary weapon" in FFXI. Many empy probably easier to obtain than other none R/E/M in legion, and yet ppl still value it more, it's just an icon in FFXI. Safe to say if FFXI has no R/E/M, it won't be nearly as interesting.

It just doesn't work in FFXI, because it's FFXI. Other gears may be acceptable, but just not R/E/M.



You seriously want to compare 150 tries on lolshinryu, 13M(1/10 of R/E and 1/30 of M) worth Mekira Meikogai, or Ogier (which has high drop rate) with grinding R/E/M?

I started working on Mythic back at 2010 starting from scratch, it took me months to make a old Nyzul static for me to clear F100 at that time, another couple of months to make Assault static x2 to clear it 100 times. Then there was also 1 year Einherjar grind.

I ended up having static/event for Mythic every 3~4 days a week, not counting event to grind gears on other slot too, so those days it's often like this:

Friend irl: Hey Afania wanna come to eat dinner with us tonight? I'll treat you!

Afania: :( I can't (because I have Einerjar tonight)

Friend irl: How about the day after tomorrow?

Afania: I can't on that day either!

Life like this lasted years. Then empy 99 came out, I spent 5 months to farm 190M for it(when hMP was 110~120k each). 5 months is about the time for avg player with no mule/craft to make that much with no break and still have to work on other gears. I also have about 2hr(sometimes less) time to play a day, so everyday it's like this, I log on, grind gil in dyna for 1~2hr, log off, go to bed, next day! I continue life like this for 1 *** year for 190M empy and alexandrites. (ADL static doesn't work for me due to schedule etc, I tried a couple of times)

You said you're ok with Kaggen body, twilight and ogier outdated, now go live 3 years of no life but to grind 190M+300~600M weapon(you have to grind every other gear in the slot too, so you also have to do VW, NNI and so on until other slots are capped) with no mule/craft/ADL static and only play 2hr a day and rest of the time working or stay in school, if you're still ok with R/E/M obsolete, then I'll worship you as my next idol in FFXI.


tl;dr

I liked the ideal of getting stronger/newer equipment with update too, but I don't like the fact that the piece I sold my soul for is replaced with another easier to obtain piece.

It's all an attempt to hopefully rage most/all R/E/M people into quitting for FFXIV obviously...


Edit: cannot numeral

Why FFIV? (Final Fantasy 4)

It still seems like a logical jump to assume that they want to turn R/E/M into trophy pieces, especially when they've never alluded to anything of the sort. They've only ever suggested the opposite. Primarily with regard to the post where they mentioned "formulating plans so that they do not go to waste," which, at minimum, suggests that they do not want R/E/M to become "trophy gear."

They say they aren't adjusting instruments/shields "even in light of the growth that will take place for characters with Adoulin equipment" because the instruments/shields are "still at highest caliber." To me that sounds like they consider the superiority of R/E instruments/shields (even in Adoulin) to be "working as intended" and that they want to adjust the ones whose superiority has come into question.

I also don't know why SE would make a point to say that they want to introduce the equivalent of R/E/M for the two new Adoulin jobs if they were just going to outclass R/E/M anyway. They say they "plan on releasing mythic weapons for any new jobs that are introduced moving forward." Why have any plans to keep introducing legendary weapons at all if they're meant to be a thing of the past?

I mean, I get that none of that guarantees that R/E/M will be absolutely uncontested, but it's definitely a far cry from R/E/M being trophy pieces/town gear.

If there wasn't new powerful gear we'd be here complaining about how there's no point in playing the expansion. Guess what, there's gonna be. Big *** surprise.

That's exactly what I like about the R/E/M system though, and I know someone mentioned it earlier... The way things are, or the way they have been, is that in general, either the R, E, or M is the best of the best for your job (with some exceptions because SE hates mages). And it has reliably stayed that way: you can count on your R/E/M being the best of the best, but you still have to stay on top of the gear grind in order to get the most out of it.

There's always that new piece of Empyrean +2/Voidwatch/NNI/Salvage II/etc. gear that ups the ante for that particular slot (surrounded by a host of side-grades, but still). You had the stability of having a weapon that required a large investment (but would retain top tier relevance for that job), and yet you still had a fire lit under your *** to get more geared because "I've got the best weapon; I better have the best gear to back it up."

It was the best of both worlds. The only real problem with it (to me) was that it got to a point where nothing short of a R/E/M in the weapon slot was considered sufficient for participating in endgame events. If SE were able to maintain the relevance/reliability of R/E/M, while still continually upping the ante with armor, and then added weapons that would close the gap a bit without actually overtaking R/E/M (which is what I was hoping Adoulin weapons would be), I would give them the world's biggest high five.

Pretty much this. I'd be perfectly fine with weapons that are 1 dmg less than REM and 500 times easier to get. I would still feel superior for having a REM, and my work wouldn't have gone to waste.

But the ***they just added is out of order... I have no idea what they were thinking but they better put REM back on top. That h2h looks like it will beat the ***out of AM3 Vere99..

It's good to outdate R/E/M, now they just need to make stuff better than rajas/brutal/ebody!

Why would anyone obtain a trophy piece if it's completely irrelevant to job performance? At very least it has to be a Mijin Gakure macro
:<



They can still make ppl play expansion without trashing R/E/M though. Relic has been top tier for many years, and yet ppl still do newest content every time it's released. Because relic just has such iconic value in FFXI for ages, with the label of "hardest to obtain legendary weapon"(in reality, it's probably easier to obtain than HQ weapons in Mul for majority....), if it's beaten by new random ex/rare, I feel something isn't right.

Do you noticed when we ask for DDs, conversation often go like this:

Pt lead: Which DD job do you have?

Pt member: I have Mythic SAM, and Brawny Adargas MNK .

Pt lead: Ok come SAM plz!

And the fact is, pt lead didn't ask what other gear slot/merit WS his SAM and MNK has, maybe his SAM has no phorcy and no shoha merit, and just ding lv 99 3 hours ago. And his Brawny Adargas MNK is way more well geared. But regardless, if someone mentioned his X job has R/E/M, we automatically assume it's his best geared job without knowing other slot, simply because "legendary weapons" in FFXI has strong emotional value. Legendary weapons doesn't always translate to job performance directly, and yet ppl go after it, it's status item for many jobs, sometimes you make one to show that you really love the job. Some ppl may not invest 100M on a hex -1 because they know it may be obsolete after 3 years. Some ppl may not invest time in Salvage2 for +1s because it may be obsolete after SoA. But plenty of ppl still do R/E/M because they assume R/E/M would stay legendary.

By making it obsolete with random ex/rare or AH weapons, it's like tossing existing values and belief into a paper shredder, sliced them into pieces, and bury it in oblivion.

Really, I can't imagine how much impact it will affect FFXI if ex/rare gear starting to trash R/E/M. I can maybe accept salvage2/NNI gears die after 2 years of release, but I can't image how FFXI would be if R/E/M no longer legendary.

Like someone said already, the new h2h doesn't suddenly turn a 99 Vere in a piece of junk unless you apply a "if you're not first you're last" mentality, but that has nothing to do with the viability of options. Besides, these will probably be very difficult to obtain like glowing weapons from VW/Legion.
And Matsui already stated he'll make sure r/e/m stay on top, so they're probably gonna get buffed if necessary.

Looks like no more "Empy or gtfo" for Voidwatch anymore at the very least.

What's the point of playing an MMO if you're like omg my weapon that come out 5 years ago is "outdated" by something new ?

Never outdating zilart wpn was(is?) very poor design.

As of now, a lot of casual can't even do group stuff cause they don't have time/ressource to farm e/r/m and grinding dynamis/camping low lvl NM for 8h when you work/school/busy is not possible nor enjoyable.

I'm glad Tomonari is very close to amano and +1 is better for mid level content, it give more casual people an easier goal, and give new stuff to get for more hardcore people.

Maybe you gotta get the new weapons, then melt them down to upgrade the rem??!!!