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 Asura.Diluted
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By Asura.Diluted 2018-04-09 09:10:40
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Is Twashtar still best offhand or is it now trumped by Taming Sari / Shijo? I assume Taming Tari would be best main hand if Aeneas is currently not obtainable for me?
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By Asura.Murisia 2018-04-09 09:12:28
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Asura.Diluted said: »
Is Twashtar still best offhand or is it now trumped by Taming Sari / Shijo? I assume Taming Tari would be best main hand if Aeneas is currently not obtainable for me?

I thought Taming has been the best main non-REMA dagger for some time? unless i'm wrong assuming capped of course
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By geigei 2018-04-09 09:20:09
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Twash/sari looks better then, at least you get some triple dmg swings.
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By Asura.Diluted 2018-04-09 09:21:54
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So Twash/Sari if unable to get Aeneas or Aeneas/Sari if I'm able to?
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By geigei 2018-04-09 09:28:09
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Aeneas/twash is the best combo atm but not far from aeneas/sari.
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By Sylph.Keade 2018-04-11 12:31:00
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Hello!

I was wondering whether I could get some higher acc sets? Maybe aimed at Omen bosses and the such. I've tried looking a few pages back but think the last I saw was over a year ago and not sure whether any new gear has been brought in. (Af2+3 etc)

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By Foxfire 2018-04-11 12:38:28
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AF+3 pieces in conjunction are probably your best bet for accuracy, I think.

Mixed with regal ring, telos ear... your tp cape probably has acc+20 already, as well

What do you currently have?
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By Siren.Kyte 2018-04-11 12:50:44
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The AF2+3 head and boots are good for accuracy as well.
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By Fyrestorm 2018-04-11 16:22:35
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ItemSet 358070

Hands: TA+4 Acc+11
Feet: TA+4 Acc+7
Samnuha: Max

This is the set I generally use. Which is generally fine for most stuff, but struggling for acc on higher end mobs.

I don't have regal ring or telos earring. Still to do WoC and Ou. (Small group, hard to find time for harder stuff.)

I was just hoping for a couple of generic sets that aim to keep DW/TA at a decent level but massively improve acc.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-04-11 17:03:38
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Adhemar gloves on that set. Can also switch in Kentarch belt and the AF pants or meghenada there.

For me my low acc and mid acc sets have a 100 accuracy swing. I go from adhemar head/body and samnuha tights to empy head, af+3 body/legs and the reiki yotai in belt for the DW. I have also switched to relic boots. I believe my rings are regal and moonlight for the mid set as well.
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By Sylph.Darkside 2018-04-20 10:09:27
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Sylph.Oraen said: »
I'd say this set would be the BiS for non-stacked Rudra's:

ItemSet 354297

For stacked, swap body for AF+3 or Megh +2, ammo for Yetshila/+1.
I probably missed this. How does relic legs +3 compare to lusty legs +1?
I would think relic is better but that is an awful lot of difference in dex.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-04-22 19:18:06
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Sylph.Darkside said: »
Sylph.Oraen said: »
I'd say this set would be the BiS for non-stacked Rudra's:

ItemSet 354297

For stacked, swap body for AF+3 or Megh +2, ammo for Yetshila/+1.
I probably missed this. How does relic legs +3 compare to lusty legs +1?
I would think relic is better but that is an awful lot of difference in dex.

It was basically the last 2 pages of discussion. Pretty easy to find. If you looked.

geigei said: »
I'm getting 47105 lustratiox2 vs 46829 relic/lustratio.

Cerberus.Mrkillface said: »
I don't know the rest of the setup you're using in the sheet, but in my SA Rudra's setup, I have:

Lustratio legs / feet +1 - 27,236

Relic Legs +3 / Perfect Herc feet - 27,837

Relic Legs +3 / Lustratio Feet +1 - 27,851

Unstacked I have the relic legs and herc feet winning.

TL;ODR they're damn close, and too expensive
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-04-22 19:46:56
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That's actually closer than I was thinking, with a slight nudge to relic. I am curious what the rest of the gear used was, as it's going to depend on your balance of DEX and WSD who wins in the end there.
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By geigei 2018-04-23 10:41:31
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I favor double lustratio, multiple jobs, cheaper also?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-04-23 11:49:47
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geigei said: »
I favor double lustratio, multiple jobs, cheaper also?

This. Inventory +1 > "+1 DPS" and the cost is "too damn high"
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-04-23 13:54:24
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100% agreed the cost is too high, gonna do it anyway though.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-04-23 13:58:06
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... and that's exactly why the price is too damn high. You know better. and do it anyway. audible groan.
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By tyalangan 2018-04-23 14:10:26
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We don't get Lustratio +1 on our server so not really an option, unfortunately. So for people like that it will stay high.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-04-23 14:17:01
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If, as a whole, no one buys medals. The price goes down. It's garbage content. Don't do it. They will adjust it. (more)

By no one doing it, everyone wins.

It's the Prisoner's Dilemma. If everyone wizes up, everyone wins. One guy refuses to be intelligent, everyone suffers.
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By Quendi210 2018-04-23 14:27:16
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If you do the content related it only costs time and 1.1M gil. The only adjust I see happening is the campaign with statue drops being extended or happening more often.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-04-23 16:20:17
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
... and that's exactly why the price is too damn high. You know better. and do it anyway. audible groan.

Gil is easy to acquire. I buy the void shards as they're far more plentiful but I actually did turn in medals for a headshard last night. Granted I already HAD those medals, but the only headshard: THF on the server last couple days someone priced at 6mil, which is the same as the medal x3 cost so...*** 'em.

I'm not buying my alts shards at that price, but THF is what I am in FFXI, and I have plenty of gil for it and there's literally nothing else to buy. Ashera Harness drops and I finish my relic+3 and my THF is done once again.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-04-23 17:09:04
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Like, I get that. Gil has never been easier to get. Doesn't mean you should overpay for something just because you can. Really aren't going to get that much benefit from having it now vs having it a week from now.

It kinda screws everyone. if you're willing to pay 6m for the shard, why would anyone have any reason to lower the price to something reasonable.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-04-23 17:21:07
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Because people like me will cap out. As well to get into details potentially more specific to Asura:

Finding the <slot>shards are quite difficult, the void<slots> are pretty easy to find for less. I imagine kindred medals are in for a heavy reduction in the next month or so. But there's just not a lot of slotshards, and I'm looking to finish the head atm and that was last week, there's unlikely to be any new headshards popping up.

As well, prices are two way, you claim it's "better for everyone" for prices to fall, but that's not true if you're a seller. I know people starting the game getting these shards from gobbiedial (I swear they have a boosted rate in there) and a few mil is really useful for them. I just got a Legshard: WHM on my alt, if prices fell, I'd get less for selling it!

That said, I don't intend on shelling out gil for the hands. I will get them in time, and want to test out the theory of high TH in gear increasing proc rates, as I imagine if I hit TH12-14 in gear or something it might make leveling that up viable. But I doubt it'll be enough of a difference for me to give much of a ***, I'm just curious, lol.

As it starts I'm looking at our relic set as being rather solid. Head is BiS for high acc TP, body is BiS trick attack WS and evisceration, legs are potentially BiS for WS (wish I could get spreadsheet working myself) and I like the feet for TP.
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By Asura.Umopepisdn 2018-04-23 18:09:41
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No Vajra, not done.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-04-23 18:28:43
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Asura.Umopepisdn said: »
No Vajra, not done.

Okay Azz.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-04-23 20:05:48
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Speaking of spreadsheet, how amazing would it be to have all the new gear updated into a spreadsheet automatically.

Actually went to run my own numbers and the most "up to date" thf sheet isn't even close to "up to date" and it wasn't worth manually putting everything in.

All these math wizards and no one ever put something like that together.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-04-23 20:06:32
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Speaking of spreadsheet, how amazing would it be to have all the new gear updated into a spreadsheet automatically.

Actually went to run my own numbers and the most "up to date" thf sheet isn't even close to "up to date" and it wasn't worth manually putting everything in.

All these math wizards and no one ever put something like that together.

Yeah, Aeneas wasn't in the spreadsheet I loaded. I bugged Chiaia about it, he said he could do it, so just waiting for him to have time, I suppose.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-04-23 20:12:47
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As far as the sellers of shards, man that shouldn't even exist in the first place. making the medals sellable AND the shards themselves, is some assbackwards logic that only square could come up with.

A colossal *** up to make that many items in the first place. The solution being to make them bazaar-able.

Ability to sell was a panic button move, that they even admitted to.

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The official reason for removing the Ex tag from shards/voids is now that they were becoming too much of a pressure on inventory.

The real answer was to not go the "*** route" and just make -foot -leg -hand -head -body and skip the job specific ***.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2018-04-23 20:32:13
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Speaking of spreadsheet, how amazing would it be to have all the new gear updated into a spreadsheet automatically.

Actually went to run my own numbers and the most "up to date" thf sheet isn't even close to "up to date" and it wasn't worth manually putting everything in.

All these math wizards and no one ever put something like that together.
what does that have to do with math?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-04-23 20:36:11
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Speaking of spreadsheet, how amazing would it be to have all the new gear updated into a spreadsheet automatically.

Actually went to run my own numbers and the most "up to date" thf sheet isn't even close to "up to date" and it wasn't worth manually putting everything in.

All these math wizards and no one ever put something like that together.
what does that have to do with math?

Just that there are so many people concerned with min/max that they would put in the effort to maintain spreadsheet and/or create a program that takes all the update gear and adds it in.

Another case of, have it, not sharing.
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