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By Carbuncle.Joeywheeler 2012-08-09 15:33:46
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I just don't get how saying "hey son, now that I know you're gay I no longer want to be in your life" is better or worse using any method to convey the message... I mean do you honestly expect someone to care how that comes off? They just disowned their son... do you think he's worried about the method in which he conveys it? Do you think it's going to make it easier for the kid if he's told to his face or something?

At some point the guy will, "and he did this in a letter..." something like that.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2012-08-09 15:39:14
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Appropriate:


Yeah I've posted it before but I love loljesus pics.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2012-08-09 15:44:34
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Appropriate:
Yeah I've posted it before but I love loljesus pics.

I love that pic! Gotta love loljesus pics.

See the problem we have here is that we have people who were too busy listening to talking snakes and bushes instead of Jesus!
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By Siren.Demetreos 2012-08-09 15:46:27
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*** block capitals.

Now to read it.

EDIT

Father is a douche, son is better off without a 'tard like that in his life. Father or otherwise.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-08-09 15:54:08
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I just don't get how saying "hey son, now that I know you're gay I no longer want to be in your life" is better or worse using any method to convey the message... I mean do you honestly expect someone to care how that comes off? They just disowned their son... do you think he's worried about the method in which he conveys it? Do you think it's going to make it easier for the kid if he's told to his face or something?
I think it makes you less of a man, less of a human. As chauvinistic as that sounds. Have a family member deliver the news, or even a phone call or something not tangible. Particularly with your child. Letters/Emails/Texts are very impersonal imo- your entitled to think differently. It's kinda like if someone dies. I personally wouldn't t want a text/email/letter telling me "hey mike umm your son died" I'd want that news delivered in person or phone-call. It's also as if this dad wanted him to have something tangible to really drive the knife counter-clockwise and remember him by. But that's kinda off topic- main point the father's an ahole.
So having someone else deliver the news for you is more manly than writing a letter? lol...

I do disagree and quite frankly if I were in this kids position I'd be glad he didn't come say it to my face because then I'd actually have to see the guy again...

The other thing is it seems like a lot of you act like this isn't a common occurrence... like family is this magical creature that will love you no matter what and will do everything like they're supposed to... it just doesn't happen like that... I've had some friends that when they turn 18 and they're done with school their parents just tell em to get out... for no other reason than its just not their responsibility anymore...
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-08-09 15:55:49
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Drjones said: »
Ramuh.Sagittario said: »
So this guy chooses religion over his son, pretty much sums it up. Here I was thinking religion taught us to love one another.
I'm pretty sure that was the core message of Jesus. Or at least that's what I remember from all those Sundays in church as a kid.
Yes, he's taking parts of the religion and contorting them to say something they don't say. He is using it as an excuse to push away his son, when he should be loving his son.

Hate the sin, not the sinner...yadda yadda


Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
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Very appropriate. He was clear in his message. Love others, put them before yourself. No exceptions. By the rule you judge others, you will so be judged.


I'm done, no need in going down the theist v atheist road again.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2012-08-09 15:59:11
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Appropriate:
Yeah I've posted it before but I love loljesus pics.

I love that pic! Gotta love loljesus pics.

See the problem we have here is that we have people who were too busy listening to talking snakes and bushes instead of Jesus!
Or just skip the jesus step and be a decent *** person on your own.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2012-08-09 16:00:31
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
The other thing is it seems like a lot of you act like this isn't a common occurrence... like family is this magical creature that will love you no matter what and will do everything like they're supposed to... it just doesn't happen like that... I've had some friends that when they turn 18 and they're done with school their parents just tell em to get out... for no other reason than its just not their responsibility anymore...

Family isn't a magical creature no. However, it is something that you consciously make. No one puts a gun to your head and says: "impregnate this woman." He made a conscious choice to start a family. Part of being a parent is taking responsibility for your child.

If one is not prepared to love a child unconditionally, one shouldn't have a child to begin with.


Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Or just skip the jesus step and be a decent *** person on your own.
Well I think (for at least ME), Christianity teaches how to be a decent person in some ways.

Stuff like helping those less unfortunate, loving thy neighbor, honoring your family, etc blah blah blah.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-08-09 16:07:45
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Or just skip the jesus step and be a decent *** person on your own.
Well I think (for at least ME), Christianity teaches how to be a decent person in some ways.

Stuff like helping those less unfortunate, loving thy neighbor, honoring your family, etc blah blah blah.
Not everyone needs Christianity to be a decent person, but lots of people need it to have hope.

Faith that there is love for you no matter how other people treat you goes a long way.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2012-08-09 16:13:07
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Odin.Daemun said: »
Not everyone needs Christianity to be a decent person, but lots of people need it to have hope.

Faith that there is love for you no matter how other people treat you goes a long way.

Oh I 100% agree. I've noticed atheists tend to be some of the nicest people I ever meet!

I think what made my Catholic family different growing up, is we were told to read the bible on our own and develop our own opinions before we went to mass. And that it was OK to disagree with the priest. I know my mom disagreed with the priests because they condemned birth control pills. My family just told me try and be a good person. At the end of the day God doesn't give a damn if you sin once and while, just ask for forgiveness and be a good person.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2012-08-09 16:21:34
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Odin.Daemun said: »
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Or just skip the jesus step and be a decent *** person on your own.
Well I think (for at least ME), Christianity teaches how to be a decent person in some ways.

Stuff like helping those less unfortunate, loving thy neighbor, honoring your family, etc blah blah blah.
Not everyone needs Christianity to be a decent person, but lots of people need it to have hope.

Faith that there is love for you no matter how other people treat you goes a long way.

That might just be the first religious quip I have ever heard that makes sense!

+10 Sagi points for joo!
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-08-09 16:22:00
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
The other thing is it seems like a lot of you act like this isn't a common occurrence... like family is this magical creature that will love you no matter what and will do everything like they're supposed to... it just doesn't happen like that... I've had some friends that when they turn 18 and they're done with school their parents just tell em to get out... for no other reason than its just not their responsibility anymore...
Family isn't a magical creature no. However, it is something that you consciously make. No one puts a gun to your head and says: "impregnate this woman." He made a conscious choice to start a family. Part of being a parent is taking responsibility for your child. If one is not prepared to love a child unconditionally, one shouldn't have a child to begin with.
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Or just skip the jesus step and be a decent *** person on your own.
Well I think (for at least ME), Christianity teaches how to be a decent person in some ways. Stuff like helping those less unfortunate, loving thy neighbor, honoring your family, etc blah blah blah.
Can I ask if you are pro life or pro choice?


Edit: also, many people have children without actually making a conscious choice to start a family...
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2012-08-09 16:25:32
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Can I ask if you are pro life or pro choice?


Edit: also, many people have children without actually making a conscious choice to start a family...

Both. Pro-Choice for others, but pro-life for myself it that makes sense.

Conscious choice to have a kid = conscious choice to start family. I fail to see otherwise.
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2012-08-09 16:29:20
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I didn't make a conscious choice to start a family, I have a 7 1/2 year old son now. Young people do stupid ***.. Pull out and 'it'll never happen' or condom breaks.. There's a bunch of different ways..
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-08-09 16:31:46
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Can I ask if you are pro life or pro choice? Edit: also, many people have children without actually making a conscious choice to start a family...
Both. Pro-Choice for others, but pro-life for myself it that makes sense. Ugh how do you impregnate a woman or get pregnant and not know it. With the exception of the Virgin Mary it just doesn't happen! lol Conscious choice to have a kid = conscious choice to start family. I fail to see otherwise.
What I mean is that many people make a conscious decision to have sex with each other but do not make a conscious decision to get pregnant and start a family... for all you know he could be bound by his religion or his wife/the mother of the kid made a decision to keep the kid even if it wasn't planned... There are plenty of ways for you to not make a conscious decision to have a kid...
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By Shiva.Scar 2012-08-09 16:32:29
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I read the original article, and the son says he finally worked up the courage to tell his father he was gay.

He told him over the telephone.

5 years later, he tells him "F--- You" over the internet.

It's easy to understand why the son was afraid to approach his dad with the truth. However, I don't find any of it particularly courageous, and I'm sure I'll be lambasted for having that viewpoint.



The father likely says he believes in God, and believes in the Bible.

If he read these words and took them to heart, he would have handled this situation very differently.

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.


1 John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?


Luke 11:11-13
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?


While it's true the Bible condemns homosexuality, it also condemns any heterosexual activity outside of marriage as well.

One wonders if the father would have disowned his son for having heterosexual sex outside of marriage. If not, the father is indeed a hypocrite.

People can believe what they want to believe. My point is the father likely doesn't even understand the book he's living by.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2012-08-09 16:33:01
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Valefor.Slipispsycho said: »
I didn't make a conscious choice to start a family, I have a 7 1/2 year old son now. Young people do stupid ***.. Pull out and 'it'll never happen' or condom breaks.. There's a bunch of different ways..
You made a conscious choice to put your penis in a vagina, or vice versa. (depending if your female or male).

If you arn't prepared for the ramifications of sex and children don't have vaginal sex!


Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
conscious decision to have sex with each other but do not make a conscious decision to get pregnant and start a family
If your having unprotected vaginal sex. 1) Be prepared for kids/family 2) be prepared for STI's & HIV.

There comes a point where you can't pull the I didn't know excuse- unprotected sex is one of them.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2012-08-09 16:34:25
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Valefor.Slipispsycho said: »
I didn't make a conscious choice to start a family, I have a 7 1/2 year old son now. Young people do stupid ***.. Pull out and 'it'll never happen' or condom breaks.. There's a bunch of different ways..

In doing so you accepted the risks though, that is a conscious decision to go ahead and do it anyway so it kind of was >.>
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-08-09 16:36:50
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Shiva.Scar said: »
The father believes in God, and believes in the Bible.

If he read these words and took them to heart, he would have handled this situation very differently.

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.


1 John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?


While it's true the Bible condemns homosexuality, it also condemns any heterosexual activity outside of marriage as well.

One wonders if the father would have disowned his son for having heterosexual sex outside of marriage. If not, the father is indeed a hypocrite.

People can believe what they want to believe. My point is the father likely doesn't even understand the book he's living by.
Unfortunately, many professed Christians are the biggest hypocrites on the face of the planet. I sincerely hope that will change, but I fear it will not.

Yet another reason to never judge someone by their affiliations, looks, or background.

Ramuh.Sagittario said: »
Valefor.Slipispsycho said: »
I didn't make a conscious choice to start a family, I have a 7 1/2 year old son now. Young people do stupid ***.. Pull out and 'it'll never happen' or condom breaks.. There's a bunch of different ways..

In doing so you accepted the risks though, that is a conscious decision to go ahead and do it anyway so it kind of was >.>
Decision by omission.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2012-08-09 16:37:25
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Shiva.Scar said: »
I read the original article, and the son says he finally worked up the courage to tell his father he was gay.

He told him over the telephone.

5 years later, he tells him "F--- You" over the internet.

It's easy to understand why the son was afraid to approach his dad with the truth.

However, I don't find any of it particularly courageous, and I'm sure I'll be lambasted for having that viewpoint.

The father believes in God, and believes in the Bible.

If he read these words and took them to heart, he would have handled this situation very differently.

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.


1 John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?


While it's true the Bible condemns homosexuality, it also condemns any heterosexual activity outside of marriage as well.

One wonders if the father would have disowned his son for having heterosexual sex outside of marriage. If not, the father is indeed a hypocrite.

People can believe what they want to believe. My point is the father likely doesn't even understand the book he's living by.

Spot on there mate, religious people pick and choose the parts they like from the Bible like I pick and choose candy at the pick n mix store.
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2012-08-09 16:37:57
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Yes and I stepped up and am being a parent.. That's not the point.

I never said "let's have a baby!".. I only made the conscious decision to have sex, kinda the same way you only make the conscious decision to get in the car and go to the store, not the conscious decision to die in a fiery 50 car pile up that COULD happen but is not guaranteed.

Me knowing the risks, doesn't make

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many people have children without actually making a conscious choice to start a family...

that any less true in my case or anyone else's. Knowing the risk (pregnancy) isn't the same as making the choice to start a family.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-08-09 16:38:32
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Ramuh.Sagittario said: »
Spot on there mate, religious people pick and choose the parts they like from the Bible like I pick and choose candy at the pick n mix store.
Yet we wonder why we are the brunt of so much criticism.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2012-08-09 16:41:41
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Valefor.Slipispsycho said: »
Yes and I stepped up and am being a parent.. That's not the point.

I never said "let's have a baby!".. I only made the conscious decision to have sex, kinda the same way you only make the conscious decision to get in the car and go to the store, not the conscious decision to die in a fiery 50 car pile up that COULD happen but is not guaranteed.

Me knowing the risks, doesn't make

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many people have children without actually making a conscious choice to start a family...

that any less true in my case or anyone else's.

Your penis upon, unprotected, entry is you signing on the dotted line for parental responsibilities. Even courts of law agree with that.

Getting in a car isn't signing on the dotted line for death. Doesn't work like that....
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2012-08-09 16:43:08
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I'm not going to sit here and argue semantics with you. I agree with what Flavin said and I'm an example of what Flavin said.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2012-08-09 16:44:49
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Valefor.Slipispsycho said: »
I'm not going to sit here and argue semantics with you. I agree with what Flavin said and I'm an example of what Flavin said.

It's not semantics- It's common sense. I'm sorry I'm not sympathizing with you for a decision you had 100% control over.

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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2012-08-09 16:45:55
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Lol I'm not asking for any sympathy..
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2012-08-09 16:46:19
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
You made a conscious choice to put your penis in a vagina, or vice versa. (depending if your female or male).

If you arn't prepared for the ramifications of sex and children don't have vaginal sex!

If your having unprotected vaginal sex. 1) Be prepared for kids/family 2) be prepared for STI's & HIV.

There comes a point where you can't pull the I didn't know excuse- unprotected sex is one of them.

All understood it was this:
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-08-09 16:46:49
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It's pretty simple - the father doesn't accept the person his son is. To him, it isn't any more personal than disconnecting cable. And overall, yeah, I'm on the side that "the son is better off." That doesn't mean it isn't shitty. But cheerful, loving and caring way COULD you tell your son that you disapprove of their entire life? Can't really do it.

There are lots of crazy and terrible turns a relationship can take. I mean, how many people didn't even get the chance to have their father reject them?

I think the bad thing about the situation is that the father rejected the son at all - not how the message was delivered.
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By Shiva.Xellith 2012-08-09 16:48:40
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And some people say that religon isnt harmful....
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2012-08-09 16:59:34
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Shiva.Xellith said: »
And some people say that religon isnt harmful....

Crap, I wish there was a freedom of opinion about religion and your statement.. :/
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