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DA,TA and QA let's talk
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-12 06:15:49
100 * .03 = 3
3 * 3 = 9
109
97 * .02 = 1.94
1.94 * 2 = 3.88
112.88
95 * .17 = 16.15
129.03
1.2903
No truncating.
100 * .01 = 1
1 * 3 = 3
103
99 * .02 = 1.98
1.98 * 2 = 3.96
103 + 3.96 = 106.96
97 * .17 = 16.49
106.96 + 16.49 = 123.45
1.2345
Translates to +.12903 and +.12345. .12345 gets +.1
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-12 06:18:20
No, it's 1.290402.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-05-12 06:20:30
Look at what you've done Eikechi.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-12 06:20:34
At what point does 112.88 + 16.15 = 129.0402
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-12 06:22:02
.03*3+(1-.03)*.02*2+(1-.03)*(1-.02)*.17 = .290402
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-12 06:23:22
Where did you get this method of calculation from? It doesn't make a lot of sense.
Nvm reread it, still not making sense to me though. Ugly math, etc., I'm not seeing the point behind the way you're adding in the chance of occurrence.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-12 06:25:36
Because you're not counting QA twice, QA devalues both TA and DA.
.03*3+(1-.03)*.02*2+(1-.03)*(1-.02)*.17 = .290402
.03*3 = QA
(1-.03)*.02*2 = TA
(1-.03)*(1-.02)*.17 = DA
Now add it up.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-12 06:29:36
I'm counting them all twice. That's the point of doubling the http://fTP. I'm not subtracting QA before multiplying it, I'm taking the entire thing and multiplying it by 2. I'm taking the average number of hits + the average number of additional hits from multiattack, and multiplying it by 2. I'm removing nothing.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-12 06:30:10
Valefor.Prothescar said: »I'm counting them all twice. That's the point of doubling the http://fTP. I'm not subtracting QA before multiplying it, I'm taking the entire thing and multiplying it by 2. That's not what i was talking about.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-12 06:31:09
Then I'm not understanding what you're saying, as I've accounted for devaluing and transferring all of the multiattacks to both hits.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-12 06:31:58
Valefor.Prothescar said: »We're on divergent paths here. I'm not entirely sure where 1QA = .03 fTP is coming from.
(.469068 + .1 = .569068) 1 QA is .03 FTP because 1 QA is +3 hits. 1 QA is 1.03 average hits per round.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-12 06:35:11
even your own numbers are wrong.
.2903*2=.5806
.2345*2+.1 = .569
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-12 06:36:53
.5806+2.1375+.19375 = 3.14935
.569+2.1375+.19375 = 2.90025
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-12 06:40:03
Why are you multiplying those numbers twice? .2903 and .2345 are already the two hit version of the average.
.12345 = 1%QA/2%TA/17%DA
.12903 = 3%QA/2%TA/17%DA
.2469 = 1%QA/2%TA/17%DAx2
.25806 = 3%QA/2%TA/17%DAx2
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-12 06:41:58
actually because it's a two hit ws.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-12 06:42:49
.12345 and .12903 are the numbers for the first hit. Introducing the second hit multiplies that number by two. You don't multiply by two and then multiply by two again, that would be implying that DA/TA/QA can proc twice per hit.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-12 06:44:03
if your average hits per round is 1.2903, then your average ftp is .2903, now, you double that because it's a two hit WS.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-12 06:45:42
And now I see what I was doing. I moved the decimal over to the left instead of dropping the 1. I'm surprised you didn't catch it before I did.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-12 06:46:59
then we can agree that mala > gorget then when acc isn't an issue.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-12 06:47:38
yup pretty much, the entire last 2 and a half pages have been pointless
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-12 06:48:14
but.
i bet it doesn't get nuked because we're civil peoples.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-12 06:48:35
too much math, will get nuked
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-12 06:49:13
even though we were on topic? :(
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-12 06:49:45
Now about that using cRatio as pDIF
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-12 06:50:52
It just makes things easier, not like it changes a whole lot.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-12 06:52:30
Meh, depends on the purpose of your maths. In this case it doesn't, but severely overvaluing attack is a pretty massive error in other circumstances. I can give you a spreadsheet that calculates pDIF for you so you don't have to bother with doing it yourself.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-12 06:53:31
i'll trade you for my OAx one
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-12 06:55:29
Naw I'm good. Will PM you a link.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-12 06:56:46
It's got QA, TA, DA and OA2-4 though :(
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By Ragnarok.Stiel 2012-05-12 07:13:37
Austar VS Prothescar who gonna win? bets open XD
Ok I recently had a conversation with an LS member about whether DA took priority over TA. I was always under the impression that DA did not take priority over TA. I remember thread about this a while back With data. Anyhow, if u have info on this please share. Thnx
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