Ragnarok.Eriina said: »
I thought telling others their version of fun is illegitimate was a punishable offense? :o
Empy V. Relic Dilemma
Empy v. Relic Dilemma
Nope, just personal attacks.
Ragnarok.Eriina said: »
I thought telling others their version of fun is illegitimate was a punishable offense? :o
If one wishes to make a Rhongo, that's their prerogative, but it's disingenuous to present it as an option without mentioning that it's one of the worst possible choices.
And you're preaching to the choir. If making insufferably irrational sweeping judgments were a punishable offense, this would be a pretty quiet thread.
Well to be fair, the context I presented my experience in relates to someone commenting a few pages ago that (paraphrase) 'a buncha people who haven't even bothered making the weapons themselves are just repeating the theory of the week without actual experience'(end paraphrase). So I figured I'd do a 2 cents kinda thing.
There's also been relatively little discussion of spears at all so, as an empy spear holder, I thought I might just offer my own experience. (That experience has been, it's a side grade from similar choices, and not worth it for me to put the effort into anything less than a mythic seeing as i already have the rhon90). It doesn't supersede what was said earlier about ryu being the best and gunginir being the most consistent and easiest to maintain.
I never said the OP should make a rhon. To the contrary, I said I gave up on making it in favor of the mythic. This I felt implied I felt the latter was the better choice. Was it that unclear?
Sidenote - @anye: where did the personal attacks comment come from? I have a feeling we're not on the same page here.
There's also been relatively little discussion of spears at all so, as an empy spear holder, I thought I might just offer my own experience. (That experience has been, it's a side grade from similar choices, and not worth it for me to put the effort into anything less than a mythic seeing as i already have the rhon90). It doesn't supersede what was said earlier about ryu being the best and gunginir being the most consistent and easiest to maintain.
I never said the OP should make a rhon. To the contrary, I said I gave up on making it in favor of the mythic. This I felt implied I felt the latter was the better choice. Was it that unclear?
Sidenote - @anye: where did the personal attacks comment come from? I have a feeling we're not on the same page here.
Trying to find something to pick on much, again? xD
Mentioning that s/he isn't too disappointed with the empy and stating that it is PH for a better weapon, is hardly making it out to be the best of all options.
Furthermore, I don't see anywhere where they suggested that other people should do the same.
Moreover, there are plenty worse weapons than a 90 Empy, even if it's bad.
It's really sad that people get ridiculed of (once more), just for simply stating what things they have done with their time.
Mentioning that s/he isn't too disappointed with the empy and stating that it is PH for a better weapon, is hardly making it out to be the best of all options.
Furthermore, I don't see anywhere where they suggested that other people should do the same.
Moreover, there are plenty worse weapons than a 90 Empy, even if it's bad.
It's really sad that people get ridiculed of (once more), just for simply stating what things they have done with their time.
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We're certainly not on the same page if you think I'm attacking you, personally or otherwise. I just feel that if one is to present an option for the OP, directly or indirectly, that a notation of where it stands with regard to other options should be included.
If you're responding on behalf of my "preaching to the choir" addendum, that is in regard to those suggesting that enjoyment gained through role fixation was, in a way that nobody seems to be able to explain(surprising, I know), illegitimate.
Edit: I suggest the both of you reread my post. You're dramatically misinterpreting what I said.
If you're responding on behalf of my "preaching to the choir" addendum, that is in regard to those suggesting that enjoyment gained through role fixation was, in a way that nobody seems to be able to explain(surprising, I know), illegitimate.
Edit: I suggest the both of you reread my post. You're dramatically misinterpreting what I said.
Rhongo sucks, simple as that.
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Fenrir.Minjo said: »
There's very little reason to make a Rhongomiant 99. There's absolutely no reason to make a Rhongomiant 90.
Fenrir.Minjo said: »
We're certainly not on the same page if you think I'm attacking you, personally or otherwise. I just feel that if one is to present an option for the OP, directly or indirectly, that a notation of where it stands with regard to other options should be included.
If you're responding on behalf of my "preaching to the choir" addendum, that is in regard to those suggesting that enjoyment gained through role fixation was, in a way that nobody seems to be able to explain(surprising, I know), illegitimate.
Edit: I suggest the both of you reread my post. You're dramatically misinterpreting what I said.
If you're responding on behalf of my "preaching to the choir" addendum, that is in regard to those suggesting that enjoyment gained through role fixation was, in a way that nobody seems to be able to explain(surprising, I know), illegitimate.
Edit: I suggest the both of you reread my post. You're dramatically misinterpreting what I said.
And? That isn't a personal attack, nor is it me ridiculing them for their decision. It's neither my right nor my interest to criticize them for what weapon they've made, I just think it's important that if one is to present something that could easily be interpreted as a alternative suggestion, information regarding its actual standing among competitors should be included.
This is a really silly thing to pick a fight over.
This is a really silly thing to pick a fight over.
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
I've always played the jobs I enjoyed, regardless of what flavor of the month for x DD it was. People enjoy various types of play styles, most of the frustration/disappointment you're expressing towards people who bandwagon is most likely due to some degree of jealousy or hating on something that is popular. It isn't an uncommon feeling at all and is everywhere, such as people disliking popular music or trends simply because a lot of people like it.
Fact is, nobody is a unique snowflake on this game so if they want to enjoy playing the strongest DD then it really shouldn't bother you. I'm sure there are many other people out there, just like you, who play a job simply because they enjoy it and not because its the bestest.
Kinda like your posts in this thread?
Fact is, nobody is a unique snowflake on this game so if they want to enjoy playing the strongest DD then it really shouldn't bother you. I'm sure there are many other people out there, just like you, who play a job simply because they enjoy it and not because its the bestest.
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The rest just sound like idiots for the most part.
Kinda like your posts in this thread?
The zealous whiteknight vs. logical people who are usually right debates are getting old.
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Don't know why Minjo chooses to humor these people with shitty post counts.
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And i forgot about prosc lol!
Ragnarok.Eriina said: »
Sidenote - @anye: where did the personal attacks comment come from? I have a feeling we're not on the same page here.
@minjo: re personal attacks - went ahead and edited that post since you seemed to think that was directed at you. Fair enough. It wasn't though.
@ayne: yeah I took it as though you were trying to warn me of something actually, heh. By "punishable offense" I really only meant "something worth being upset over". Maybe a poor word choice.
@ayne: yeah I took it as though you were trying to warn me of something actually, heh. By "punishable offense" I really only meant "something worth being upset over". Maybe a poor word choice.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
The zealous whiteknight vs. logical people who think that they are usually right and feel superior to everyone else around them debates are getting old.
And I agree, it is getting old.
Most posts I read from some of you guys are simply provokes and one-liners because you're bored out of your minds, I assume.
Such as this
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Don't know why Minjo chooses to humor these people with shitty post counts.
@Anye He was just referring to a remark Minjo did earlier in this thread. Typical misunderstanding, I assume.
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What are you trying to prove?
That fabricating altercations can get you rate-ups, apparently.
And while you're free to assume that I have some manner of superiority complex, to assert that Prothescar, Austar, and myself aren't usually correct about our XI-related positions is pretty foolish.
And while you're free to assume that I have some manner of superiority complex, to assert that Prothescar, Austar, and myself aren't usually correct about our XI-related positions is pretty foolish.
I wouldn't say y'all have a superiority complex so much as you're concise and to the point instead of softening the blows when someone is wrong. I'm not going to lie when I first ran into you and Jinjo I assumed you were both trolls looking for fights but the more I read your posts the more it became clear you're both just blunt and I can respect that.
Though I still don't understand what he's trying to prove. I can't think of one time anyone named has been wrong or not provided proof of their case.
Though I still don't understand what he's trying to prove. I can't think of one time anyone named has been wrong or not provided proof of their case.
I'm trying to prove nothing, I'm just posting to get my post-count up and to practice one-liners I can use on people in the future.
I'm not too good at provoking/attacking peeps for no reason yet; only to lecture them afterwards about how much they suck by pulling numbers out of my butt, in order to prove that I was right all along; when I never intended to contribute anything in the first place.
It's what the boredom does to me, isn't that obvious!?
That sort of thing is exactly what you hiding behind all the time, Minjo. You and your pretty little gang.
No one questions your intellect or your competence when it comes to game-mechanics and math-issues.
What is getting on my nerves though, is that you guys act like you were something better than everyone else and the fool in me feels the urge to talk some sense into you.
A lot of people who are new to those forums come with questions here and seek serious advise and all you guys see is easy prey for your mind-games.
I'm not too good at provoking/attacking peeps for no reason yet; only to lecture them afterwards about how much they suck by pulling numbers out of my butt, in order to prove that I was right all along; when I never intended to contribute anything in the first place.
It's what the boredom does to me, isn't that obvious!?
That sort of thing is exactly what you hiding behind all the time, Minjo. You and your pretty little gang.
No one questions your intellect or your competence when it comes to game-mechanics and math-issues.
What is getting on my nerves though, is that you guys act like you were something better than everyone else and the fool in me feels the urge to talk some sense into you.
A lot of people who are new to those forums come with questions here and seek serious advise and all you guys see is easy prey for your mind-games.
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I can recall an instance in regard to myself, but that's really neither here nor there. We're typically reliable sources, and none of us have set a precedent for ignoring evidence that may prove contrary to our initial positions.
But enough about that--the only thing that matters(mattered, perhaps), is that while Rhongo may be a capable hunk of shiny, its performance is typically rather lackluster. Unless you're predisposed to obscure weapons, I'd strongly suggest ignoring it in lieu of either of the two very simple magian alternatives.
But enough about that--the only thing that matters(mattered, perhaps), is that while Rhongo may be a capable hunk of shiny, its performance is typically rather lackluster. Unless you're predisposed to obscure weapons, I'd strongly suggest ignoring it in lieu of either of the two very simple magian alternatives.
Ooh this is getting good
Then why not check their math and prove them wrong using their own methods math in this case the thing this game runs on. You may find out that they're actually right most of the time. I have yet to see you do this instead of just complaining about it.
hmm, we are almost to the heart of the matter here.
Who should check thier math Galbir? Who in the first place, or ever, claimed that a rhongomiant is "worth making"?
Who should check thier math Galbir? Who in the first place, or ever, claimed that a rhongomiant is "worth making"?
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This thread is already on Anye's radar. If anyone cares to continue on this tangent, I suggest you PM me.
Honestly no one did. Not once in your post did you say that ^^;
Though I don't think Minjo really attacked you so much as made that fact clear. (Not saying you said he did but others would make it seem that way)
Though I don't think Minjo really attacked you so much as made that fact clear. (Not saying you said he did but others would make it seem that way)
Shiva.Galbir said: »
Then why not check their math and prove them wrong using their own methods math in this case the thing this game runs on. You may find out that they're actually right most of the time. I have yet to see you do this instead of just complaining about it.
So what is it that you're trying to prove, I should ask?
As I said, Minjo, I'd be the last person to question your knowledge about this game.
What I'm, very often, not so sure about are your intentions for some of your answers.
You clearly felt the need to correct Eri when there was nothing to correct to begin with.
They stated what weapons they have made and are planning to make in the future and you lecture them about how he could dare presenting such false information.
On top of that, you throw it out there that his choise of weapon sucks without presenting alternatives or reasons.
Only to lecture us, a few posts later, that people who favor one way, have to present evidence and alternatives themselves for their statements.
Honestly.
I suggest we can leave it at that, because I have no intention to further argue about it.
So you're mad because you think he's mean. k.
Shiva.Galbir said: »
Honestly no one did. Not once in your post did you say that ^^;
Though I don't think Minjo really attacked you so much as made that fact clear. (Not saying you said he did but others would make it seem that way)
Though I don't think Minjo really attacked you so much as made that fact clear. (Not saying you said he did but others would make it seem that way)
yeah, that's basically what it comes down to. Minjo misread and thought I was presenting rhongo as an option. Then more misreading and thought i accused him of attacking me. Lot of negative energy for nothing really.
At least we got a whole new page out of it! ...?
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We also learned that
Just needed some more words to express it.
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Rhongo sucks, simple as that.
Just needed some more words to express it.
How can people by now not compare weapons to eachother via all the sites that are provided, DPS, gear sets, and atma/atmacite by now? Shouldn't need someone to tell you this is your best option, and people shouldn't need to try to feel superior to others that do not possess the knowledge of math. It's extremely annoiying when people have to prove which weapon is better when all you have to do is look at the damn weapon and the modifiers on the ws's that the weapon can use.
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