Apocalypse Or Ragnarok

If your average on resolution is 3.1 - 3.7k with ragnarok that means Apoc > Rag without a doubt.

Who was this in reference to?

Reference? o.O I kid, I kid.

I don't know much about Rag or Apoc and I can't call myself a pro WAR and/or DRK. But with all the changes made from 75~99 the relics that used to be the best may not be anymore, obviously. I know Apoc has always been known for pulling the highest numbers. But because of the increase to LV99 I would have to pick Ragnarok. Here's my reasons, not ordered in any particular way.

1. It's different. You would be the proud owner of one of the least owned weapons in the game, for now. Or go with Apoc which is the second most carried relic of all time, for now. Personally, I'm more of a leader in life. I like to do my own thing; follow the road least traveled. Therefore I'd be more likely to choose a weapon that's less common.

2. One weapon that can be used by two different jobs; is the main reason why I would build Ragnarok. Even if you don't have or like WAR or DRK, you never know what might change. Especially with SE. Shoot, three years from now we'll all be capping at LV 150.

3. Again, I don't own either relic. But I have seen, discussed, and read a reasonable amount of information about each. The one comment that stands out the most was from a guy who owned both Rag and Apoc. This alone tells me he's had some experience testing the two. And whether he's gimp or not, the control would stay the same. Without remembering word for word what he said it basically came down to this: 'At 99 Ragnarok there will be no question which to use. Ragnarok destroys everything and nothing really comes close. Together, Ragnarok and Resolution are broken.'

As was mentioned before, and I must agree, that I'm sure you've already made your decision. You're probably posting for reassurance to back your decision. Or, you're looking for enough contrary information to sway your decision as it sits now. Just be sure you're the one making the final decision. You're the one who has to live with what you decide.

You're wanting to make a weapon because it's the road less traveled and you're a leader in life is null and full of *** when the only reason you carry such desire is because said weapon is actually one of the best relics now.

When did I start building a Ragnarok? Unless you're saving all the currency to surprise me later.. Careful though, I don't "swing".

I'm not really 100% positive so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I just posted this?:
As far as...
My only desire is to see you troll somewhere else!

Still doesn't change the fact that you wouldn't be building it if it wasn't good.

Here is an idea...do both. Not like building a relic is near as time consuming as it used to be. If you are honestly passionate/serious about playing 1 job more than any other wouldn't you want to obtain as many nice things for said job?

Still don't see why you would make any other relic besides Claustrum.

Everyone has a Claustrum, I take the road less traveled.

(Apoc in 2004, Ragnarok in 2012)

Care to share some numbers from your parses? My resolution set is top notch besides WOTG ear(lazy) and nyzul gear. Entropy/cata averages don't even come close. Also @ you Taint, I keep seeing you say that Apoc>Ragnarok at damage, yet it falls behind vastly in WS damage and DOT. The only advantage Apoc has is accuracy(capped at current content besides beetle so this point is moot) and 5hit over 6hit.

It's a good thing TP bonus isn't as good as Bale Earring for Reso, otherwise we'd be inclined to believe you knew what you were talking about

Care to explain that one? Is the FTP increase on all hits really worse than 4STR? Either way, if you have seen a good ragnarok vs a good apoc in practice, the difference is obvious. Only thing that really compares is Caladbolg with lvl3 aftermath. I mean I wouldn't even doubt resolution getting nerfed at this point, no other job comes close.

Sarcasm.

Relics/Mythics/Empys are the best of their kind. They're all good and useful in their own way. Exactly how "good" a weapon is considered is only justified in the eyes of the buyer. I don't care how crappy a weapon it is. Exactly how you decide to spend your gil on virtual goods can only be justified by yourself. If you see the value in it and it's worth the tag, get it. If the value just doesn't add up to you, pass. Personally I could care less what anyone else think's regarding HOW I choose to enjoy MY game, blow MY gil, that I earned, on MY game, that I pay for with the money I worked for - not mommy; to be spent however the hell I want. Ain't nobody else putting all that time and dedication into the game for me. It's all me, still; like it always has been and will continue to be. One thing is for sure; most of these people here are so quick to tell you what to do, because it's what they would do. But that doesn't necessarily make it right for you too, or FUN. I wouldn't be surprised in the least to find someone(s) here posting their "un-factual statements" while at the exact same time they're logged into their own character who just happens to be rocking an infamous Perle job. And come next month if for whatever reason you can't continue to pay for your game, do you think these people here are going to be reaching out and jumping around, eager to take over your monthly FFXI bill so you can continue to play? I'm sure I'll get tons of hate replies over this message. But just know this: There are two ways to do life. 1) The popular way, or 2) Your own way. I can't tell you which to choose but the right way is the way that makes you happiest in the long run. Don't let bandwagon "opinions" make the decision for you. And unfortunately that's about all I've seen in this thread so far.

Again, all that matters is if you're happy with your purchase. I hope for your sake you don't let someone else make the decision for you. Get out a piece of paper and write down your very own PROS and CONS for each weapon. Then compare the PROS. Only compare the CONS that YOU feel are important enough to matter. Pick the weapon that works best with your playstyle/jobs. Pick the weapon that makes you happiest:...

THE ONLY OPINION THAT SHOULD MATTER TO YOU IS YOUR OWN! Watch out for the trolls, they're everywhere! HERE THEY COME!

It's pretty simple, scythe is the defensive weapon and gsword is the offensive weapon. As it stands currently, ragnarok is quite a bit ahead of apoc at dealing damage, while apoc offers the utility of capped haste defensive sets and HP drain ws.

/endthread

That's what I did! It isn't impossible.

I love you. No sarcasm.

:P

/itrytoohard

I made apoc and I wouldn't take it back EVER, I wanted it for 3 years and was working on it for that long. I wouldn't change what I was doing because of a new trend of what people "Say" you should do. If you want an Apocalypse make an Apocalypse you won't regret it, if you want a Ragnarok then make a Ragnarok you won't regret it.

I think in most case, it is those who own relic think they are in every way superior. I have asked a few times when ppl are shouting for Ig-Alima that if I can come DRK, or DRG, just cuz I was in the mood of playing DD. And I got reply asking "do you have blm or rdm?". I then go on and ask, "you have a DRK or DRG that is better? cuz I got OAT GS and OAT polearm". They are like "We got Apoc and Gugnir lol". I almost wanted to laugh hearing that.

But anyway, heard a story last night from a friend of mine who was doing Qilin and she said that one of the Drks would idle in Apoc and when fight starts he would swap to OAT GS. I am just glad there are still ppl who can admit defeat and use what they think is the better weapon and not dictated by which weapon is harder to come by.

Not saying OAT GS or Rag is better than Apoc, IMO Apoc is close to Rag in term of pure damage due to hit build, but I just hate the fact that ppl automatically think Apoc > the rest of the DRK.

If you have regrets after completing a relic, well, you're doing it wrong. Maybe you're just holding your mouf wong.

Maybe with Ragnarok you do can do more DMG than Apocalypse, but tbh i preferer apoc, 99 version do very nice DMG, and change DRK.. you can be "tank" and at the same moment deal good DMG.

Either that or you made a Kikoku...

I met a DRK who did exactly the same thing on Qilin: idled in Apoc when we were on the way to the rift, then swapped to the OAT GS once we popped, very likely it was the same guy. He opted to use OAT over Apoc because he knew it was best for that situation, something I really respected.

Kinda curious to know what the OP has digested out of all this, and what he decided to go for. He only seemed to be interested in knowing which one is better overall, which is what he'll probably go for.

I know it's all about how a person plays, aggressiveness etc. I haven't been outparsed by any Relic DRK's or WAR's (Rag/Apoc) VS OaT Gsword. One Apoc holder gave me a run for my money, but he had optimal builds for his job and entropy. Over time if fanatics aren't up apoc wins out due to surviving longer as long as said DRK doesn't get 1 shot. In my experience with pick up groups only few WHM actually do their jobs. Some half *** it and make DDs rely on temps while they just come for loot, exp, and cruor.

I'd honestly love an Apoc but my priority with that amount of gil would be 1500 HMPs. It is a toss up but honestly if you care about your job and gear optimaly you will come out as a strong DD.

Rant Tiem
In the right hands either weapons are great. But Apoc offers utility, allows you to live longer, and frees up gear slots.

Been doing the same personally in VW lately.
But only on stuff I can cap acc on with red curry.
Idk if it's better or not, but spamming resolution like mad is fun :P
Fell 2% behind a pimp warrior aswell in a couple of fights.

I'm in love with DRK/DRG atm in Voidwatch. I kept coming close or slightly ahead of a badass Ukon WAR myself. Though he has 99 Ukon now so that is going to edge out D: