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 Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 13:15:29
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
I was told a LONG time ago by a GM that any white mob is killable.

It's just what I've heard. I like to keep a low profile with the GMs. Don't want my more ... clandestine ... activities to go noticed.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-02-02 13:15:47
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Valefor.Foxtrot said: »
Man you guys are haters- maybe the bst/dyna situation is different on your servers. Um check zone before you enter if you don't want to deal with a ton of competition? Yes, a pet can hold several mobs- but I've seen plds in dyna holding at least twice as many trying to proc (ex. literally all the dc trees in valk).

I don't see whats wrong with bst having the best solo dyna farm niche- not like it fits many/if any other spots. A pet only getting TH3 likely would never replace a thf (except maybe in dyna).

I don't see lowering pet TH thinning out dyna by any means. Personally I'd rather deal with farming against a solo beast than a some sort of thf+whatever duo on ep mobs. I find it more obnoxious competing with people in parties attacking ep mobs when they'd likely make more doing dc.

Not sure what some of the comments are in regards to bst not being a "real" job- I'm assuming you didn't try to level it when bst didn't get leave till like lvl 30. Pre-abys and trash it was probably one of the most difficult jobs to get to 75.

The reason people hate BST now, atleast personally, is because _EVERYBODY_ leveled it, only to do dynamis.
I used to really respect beastmasters back at 75, even at 80.
At 85 it started to get annoying, at 90 it kinda took off when more BST popped up to solo mobs in abyssea, that took like an hour.
But it was still cool, you kinda had to know the job and not completely suck.
Now? The whole bst-bandwagon is just a hemoroid hurting every time you move :<
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By Artemicion 2012-02-02 13:16:43
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Despite lowered TH, I think BST is going to be the "primary" job for dynamis as it is the most ideal class for dealing with hordes of mobs at a time, which is most conducive to farming coins within a set period of time.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 13:18:02
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Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
Valefor.Foxtrot said: »
Man you guys are haters- maybe the bst/dyna situation is different on your servers. Um check zone before you enter if you don't want to deal with a ton of competition? Yes, a pet can hold several mobs- but I've seen plds in dyna holding at least twice as many trying to proc (ex. literally all the dc trees in valk).

I don't see whats wrong with bst having the best solo dyna farm niche- not like it fits many/if any other spots. A pet only getting TH3 likely would never replace a thf (except maybe in dyna).

I don't see lowering pet TH thinning out dyna by any means. Personally I'd rather deal with farming against a solo beast than a some sort of thf+whatever duo on ep mobs. I find it more obnoxious competing with people in parties attacking ep mobs when they'd likely make more doing dc.

Not sure what some of the comments are in regards to bst not being a "real" job- I'm assuming you didn't try to level it when bst didn't get leave till like lvl 30. Pre-abys and trash it was probably one of the most difficult jobs to get to 75.

The reason people hate BST now, atleast personally, is because _EVERYBODY_ leveled it, only to do dynamis.
I used to really respect beastmasters back at 75, even at 80.
At 85 it started to get annoying, at 90 it kinda took off when more BST popped up to solo mobs in abyssea, that took like an hour.
But it was still cool, you kinda had to know the job and not completely suck.
Now? The whole bst-bandwagon is just a hemoroid hurting every time you move :<

Also, full
effing
perle.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-02-02 13:18:27
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Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
I was told a LONG time ago by a GM that any white mob is killable.

And I sure do abuse that if people hold an unreasonable number of mobs (3+)
If there is close to no competition, I can handle people holding 3 too.

same here, if there are plenty of mobs up I don't even look at what the bsts are doing, but if there is nothing up and the bst has more than 2, one or more of them is mine. They get mad cuz they thing its their zone, and I don't even blink.
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By Fenrir.Demomo 2012-02-02 13:22:06
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Any yellow mob is fair game, period. If you do it to someone enough times, it becomes griefing, and that's how you get jailed.
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By Leviathan.Prototyp 2012-02-02 13:22:17
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Everyone saying "yay about time BST got nerfed" has clearly been made butthurt snd/or jelly by a bst, which makes me smile. Also I hope these people are WAR or MNK, because if that's the case, I can double-up my smile.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-02-02 13:22:39
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I keep to myself, I don't steal mobs unless someone is looking overwhelmed, and I have two mobs at most (When I'm transitioning only, really. If the enemy has low life, I leave my pet on it and go look for a new mob.) unless I get aggro'd. I play by the rules, and sometimes people *** with me, but they don't get very far because I only have max of two mobs at once. I will get people raises if I see someone capable in the zone, or I'll clear a patch of mobs if someone died in the middle of them. This penalizes me too.

And no, holding more mobs does not net you more currency. It lowers your pets output, health, and stability.

This is incredibly silly. People are upset BST is incredibly good at ONE thing and cry out that it should be nerfed over and over. SE needs to stop listening to us, seriously, because 90% of those that speak up are morons.
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By Bahamut.Krizz 2012-02-02 13:25:06
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I wouldn't be so butthurt about it if I didn't have mobs remain white after I've performed 5 actions on them (flash, holy, dia, smack, whateverelseIcandoquickenough), and someone can immediately take it.

(Sight aggro causes this to happen often.)
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-02-02 13:26:07
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Leviathan.Prototyp said: »
Everyone saying "yay about time BST got nerfed" has clearly been made butthurt snd/or jelly by a bst, which makes me smile. Also I hope these people are WAR or MNK, because if that's the case, I can double-up my smile.

I could care less about a bst nerf rly. Its always been a niche job that I have never paid any mind. They can solo a lot of things in abyssea at a snails pace without procs, great for them. They can solo dyna and make money, awesome. I can too. The "nerf" itself hasn't even been translated yet.
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By Valefor.Foxtrot 2012-02-02 13:26:14
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Still don't see the rationale that "nerfing" it some how makes it a more pure job and all those people in crap gear will suddenly disappear- I've seen my fair share of pink thf & nin and a list that could go on.

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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 13:28:19
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Actually, this was an original post by SE. Meaning, it wasn't in response to complaints from NA or JP players, it's just the dev team fixing things that they think were broken.

SE wants TH to be in the following order of potency:

1.) THF
2.) RNG
3.) /THF
4.) Everyone else

So pet TH has to be adjusted in their view.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-02-02 13:29:30
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Actually, this was an original post by SE. Meaning, it wasn't in response to complaints from NA or JP players, it's just the dev team fixing things that they think were broken.

SE wants TH to be in the following order of potency:

1.) THF
2.) RNG
3.) /THF
4.) Everyone else

So pet TH has to be adjusted in their view.

I have th2 on my blu, don't really know what they can do about that unless they choose to undo a recent blu update, dont see that happening tho lol.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 13:29:37
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Bahamut.Krizz said: »
I wouldn't be so butthurt about it if I didn't have mobs remain white after I've performed 5 actions on them (flash, holy, dia, smack, whateverelseIcandoquickenough), and someone can immediately take it.

(Sight aggro causes this to happen often.)

I've provoked a mob and it turned and started hitting me, then someone else hit it, it claimed to them, and it kept hitting me.

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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-02-02 13:29:59
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Actually, this was an original post by SE. Meaning, it wasn't in response to complaints from NA or JP players, it's just the dev team fixing things that they think were broken.

SE wants TH to be in the following order of potency:

1.) THF
2.) RNG
3.) /THF
4.) Everyone else

So pet TH has to be adjusted in their view.

BLU has TH now, don't forget that. (Not sure if it has been confirmed how much.)
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 13:30:42
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Actually, this was an original post by SE. Meaning, it wasn't in response to complaints from NA or JP players, it's just the dev team fixing things that they think were broken.

SE wants TH to be in the following order of potency:

1.) THF
2.) RNG
3.) /THF
4.) Everyone else

So pet TH has to be adjusted in their view.

I have th2 on my blu, don't really know what they can do about that unless they choose to undo a recent blu update, dont see that happening tho lol.

If you were /THF, you'd have TH3, so it's still technically less potent.
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By Artemicion 2012-02-02 13:31:22
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Actually, this was an original post by SE. Meaning, it wasn't in response to complaints from NA or JP players, it's just the dev team fixing things that they think were broken.

SE wants TH to be in the following order of potency:

1.) THF
2.) RNG
3.) /THF
4.) Everyone else

So pet TH has to be adjusted in their view.

I still have a hard time wrapping my head around Ranger getting a TH shot over Corsair. I mean you have tree hugging hippie scouts with bows then you have a rape pillage and plunder pirate that will shoot you in the face for your goods... I just don't see the correlation in placement of that job ability.
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By Leviathan.Prototyp 2012-02-02 13:31:31
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SE gotta make THF seem useful somehow I guess, as I assume most people Q.Qin about TH BST are THFs.
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By Bahamut.Krizz 2012-02-02 13:33:26
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Bahamut.Krizz said: »
I wouldn't be so butthurt about it if I didn't have mobs remain white after I've performed 5 actions on them (flash, holy, dia, smack, whateverelseIcandoquickenough), and someone can immediately take it.

(Sight aggro causes this to happen often.)

I've provoked a mob and it turned and started hitting me, then someone else hit it, it claimed to them, and it kept hitting me.

:|
This happened with a NM in Abyssea when I was piggybacking off of Bizarro's LS for the boss win. Another group let it go white, one of our peeps provoked, but it reclaimed to them. We held it for a bit (cure bombing), but it never went white for us to claim and kill.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 13:33:44
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Like I said, no one was QQIng about BST TH, this is SE spontaneously nerfing BST for their own enjoyment.
 
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-02-02 13:35:14
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All I can say is hopefully I will be seeing less of this:
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-02-02 13:35:30
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
I keep to myself, I don't steal mobs unless someone is looking overwhelmed, and I have two mobs at most (When I'm transitioning only, really. If the enemy has low life, I leave my pet on it and go look for a new mob.) unless I get aggro'd. I play by the rules, and sometimes people *** with me, but they don't get very far because I only have max of two mobs at once. I will get people raises if I see someone capable in the zone, or I'll clear a patch of mobs if someone died in the middle of them. This penalizes me too. And no, holding more mobs does not net you more currency. It lowers your pets output, health, and stability. This is incredibly silly. People are upset BST is incredibly good at ONE thing and cry out that it should be nerfed over and over. SE needs to stop listening to us, seriously, because 90% of those that speak up are morons.

I mis-represented my point. Bst benefits from being able to grab the next mob as the pet finishes off the previous one after procing (among other things). I also would adore having you around in dynamis.... It's the "clearly being an *** and trying to steal a mob from me" kind of bst i hate. I don't hate bsts by default (i realise your post wasn't directed at me, solely) but SOME OF THEM can be massive assclowns. Being that 80% of the soloist BSTs people meet in dynamis: A) are the xenophobic type JP that is unusually hostile, B) are the super anti-social type, C) are so incredibly awful at playing that they are a nuisance to anything that moves (see full perle comments); people get disgruntled at seeing them in the zone at all.
I saw a bst the other day trying to steal a yellow weapon off me in qufim who was wearing a scythe and was accompanied by a sheep....
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 13:35:40
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Light Spirit should totally spontaneously teleport your party.
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By Leviathan.Prototyp 2012-02-02 13:36:22
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I wasn't saying this was SE answering Q.Qers, but yeah
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By Artemicion 2012-02-02 13:39:11
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Light Spirit should totally spontaneously teleport your party.

Yes! After all, they made plans to lower the perpetration cost.
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-02-02 13:43:18
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Depends on exctally what they do but i just see this as hurting everyone. BST has made it to where its reasonable to buy and sell currency, do u really think ppl are going to start paying 15-20k each again?
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 13:45:06
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Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Depends on exctally what they do but i just see this as hurting everyone. BST has made it to where its reasonable to buy and sell currency, do u really think ppl are going to start paying 15-20k each again?

I certainly hope so.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-02-02 13:45:08
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Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Depends on exctally what they do but i just see this as hurting everyone. BST has made it to where its reasonable to buy and sell currency, do u really think ppl are going to start paying 15-20k each again?

when was currency ever 15-20k, after neo-dynamis got figured out? >_>
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 13:46:46
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Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Depends on exctally what they do but i just see this as hurting everyone. BST has made it to where its reasonable to buy and sell currency, do u really think ppl are going to start paying 15-20k each again?

when was currency ever 15-20k, after neo-dynamis got figured out? >_>

I'd take 10-11k again :(
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