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Bad News BST
Server: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1375
By Bismarck.Ruizutatakau 2012-02-02 11:20:58
Finally a reason for the bandwagon bsts to leave the job i used to love so much?!?
This could be the happiest day of my life....
Actually no. But maybe i can return to my bst without hating the sight of it as much as i do these days.
I think some of the pre-abyssea bsts might be smiling to themselves like i am.
Now, all you bandwagoners, please kindly go jump on the <insert job> bandwagon!
ps. thankyou SE Its still the best solo job in Dyna.
Yuly's TH was nice for everything outside of Dyna and even in Abyssea.
No one will really leave the job either.
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2012-02-02 11:22:47
Ragnarok.Grimkitty said: »I personally had a friend who did over 200 coins solo as a 99 THF/DNC. THF isn't foolproof like BST, so it may actually take some real gear to pull those numbers on a THF. But then if they did that, those other BST would take shortcuts around trying to pull those numbers on THF like they did on BST. See it all the time in Qufim or Bubu
whats great about that, is a crappy/mediocre geared THF will fail, whereas a damn pearl bst could get by realtively easy. will be hilarious to see a bunch of pink thfs dying left and right... lmao too funny, I gtg
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By Raborn 2012-02-02 11:24:14
It was nice for SE to give us actual TH trait on the pet (Something I forsaw bitching and moaning at back when it was confirmed we gained TH2), and has been fun while it lasted, made real good for soloing NMs that drop empyrean items or +2 items. I am sad to see it go (even if it is just one level of TH).
Knowing SE, who doesn't care about BST at all outside of pretending to care. This won't be the only incoming nerf. Next they'll take away all the traits that actually keep us halfway on par with well geared players. (Simply because we do too much dmg QQ)
(Don't get me wrong I love to hear that all the bandwagons are jumping off of an unrespected job which for years was a black sheep, who's only decent purpose seems to be farming items in a zone SOLO).
I only wish they'd revamp some of our abilities like they did for practically Every other job in the game.
Charm and Tame are pretty much useless after you get to 75>80 and can exp in abyssea, they are worthless in dynamis, they are worthless on higher level NMs outside and are worthless in voidwatch.
I guess at most they are useful for farming the final LB items right?
Add a more potent bind effect to charm so that it can land on higher NMs or change it to a <1 second stun effect. Make Tame so that it adds an attack down effect when used?
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Ragnarok.Grimkitty
Server: Ragnarok
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By Ragnarok.Grimkitty 2012-02-02 11:25:47
Ragnarok.Grimkitty said: »I personally had a friend who did over 200 coins solo as a 99 THF/DNC. THF isn't foolproof like BST, so it may actually take some real gear to pull those numbers on a THF. But then if they did that, those other BST would take shortcuts around trying to pull those numbers on THF like they did on BST. See it all the time in Qufim or Bubu whats great about that, is a crappy/mediocre geared THF will fail, whereas a damn pearl bst could get by realtively easy. will be hilarious to see a bunch of pink thfs dying left and right... lmao too funny, I gtg I would die laughing seeing that, all the pink/O.hat THFs in Dynamis
By Raborn 2012-02-02 11:29:53
I'm ok with currency prices going up if it means thinning out Dynamis.
If you want to thin out dynamis make it once per week again.
Lower the drop rate on currency to 50% on a proc and 20% on a non proc'd monster. (With TH)
People will just change jobs and still farm currency.
This is your solution(To the people crying about how there's a relic on every corner and its no longer special).
Bismarck.Sylow
Server: Bismarck
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 11:30:41
My main issue with BST in Dyna is the ability to hold unreasonable numbers of mobs.
Edit: I don't mean survive against, I mean literally keep claim.
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2012-02-02 11:31:20
Ragnarok.Yokyumosheemo said: »I might be pissed if my duo buddy & I hadn't just lvl'ed DNC + THF for dyna. as far as Dipper's TH goes, it isn't worth a piss to begin with anyway, imho. say hello to my 0/30+ drop on faith torque (yes that subject makes me QQ) LOL, sadly Faith Torque is not a good example... Even with THF I never got one.. I'm 0/10 myself... and thats with a real THF... Not a good examply at all.. Dipper TH is pretty good tbh.
I know, was half-assed joking. I think 99% of any humor I try to bring to a post gets lost in text. it would've made sense if we were talking.
wiki says drop rate is 23.4% or something stupid. really is .05%
dipper has gotten me more in this game than anything else (my duo buddy aside) I just suck at comedy in text. sry.
Bismarck.Recaldy
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By Bismarck.Recaldy 2012-02-02 11:46:36
So when's the update? If it's in or after march I think I'm still mostly on schedule to finish my relic farming on BST. lol
Ragnarok.Grimkitty
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By Ragnarok.Grimkitty 2012-02-02 11:49:24
So when's the update? If it's in or after march I think I'm still mostly on schedule to finish my relic farming on BST. lol
Even though I want this to happen badly, I hope it is later so I will be able to finish my relic before this happens, then I can just farm dynamis for the gil.
Quetzalcoatl.Jaizon
Server: Quetzalcoatl
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By Quetzalcoatl.Jaizon 2012-02-02 12:02:02
so let me get this straight no charm no TH no place in any form of endgame /rdm and *** haste people i suppose or back to the tree with my *** for wisteria lumber
Merit/Farm man them were the old days. How I miss them days. Them were tha days when a BST use to use Charm gear ( Charm gear what is this???) Thank you SE but as usual you guys are always a lil late.
If you have never been a Charm Beastmaster you aint ever gonna be a real Beastmaster.
Bismarck.Cicada
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By Bismarck.Cicada 2012-02-02 12:03:26
You have to charm monsters to get to 30. Does that count?
Ragnarok.Ashman
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-02-02 12:08:41
My main issue with BST in Dyna is the ability to hold unreasonable numbers of mobs. Edit: I don't mean survive against, I mean literally keep claim.
My main issue is the (not always JP or english impaired) bst who solos a time extension for 10 minutes and refuses to team up just for timers. I'll literally have 5 people standing there willing to save us ALL some time with Time Extensions, and they pretend their /tell function is broken.
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Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2012-02-02 12:10:18
I won't drop a name, but I saw a lvl 19 naked BST with 1 axe and a whm zombie following him around qufim, he must've had 0 axe skill as he proceeded to miss the worm 1000 times, then warp himself and PL away. I was laughing quite a bit.
so idk that they even charm to 30 -.-
Server: Fenrir
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By Fenrir.Horsebreath 2012-02-02 12:18:43
My main issue with BST in Dyna is the ability to hold unreasonable numbers of mobs.
Edit: I don't mean survive against, I mean literally keep claim. I can successfully pull and hold 4 mobs in dynamis no problem on my BST, survive and kill them all. With the exception of Hydra, I keep that to a 2 mob max lol. Perle BST POWER!!
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2012-02-02 12:21:21
Fenrir.Horsebreath said: »My main issue with BST in Dyna is the ability to hold unreasonable numbers of mobs. Edit: I don't mean survive against, I mean literally keep claim. I can successfully pull and hold 4 mobs in dynamis no problem on my BST, survive and kill them all. With the exception of Hydra, I keep that to a 2 mob max lol. Perle BST POWER!!
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Sylph.Oragel
Server: Sylph
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By Sylph.Oragel 2012-02-02 12:22:42
think I'll stay bst in dyna, just change my sub to thf and bring in my dnc mule. A little more work, but problem solved.
Bismarck.Sylow
Server: Bismarck
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 12:22:43
Fenrir.Horsebreath said: »My main issue with BST in Dyna is the ability to hold unreasonable numbers of mobs.
Edit: I don't mean survive against, I mean literally keep claim. I can successfully pull and hold 4 mobs in dynamis no problem on my BST, survive and kill them all. With the exception of Hydra, I keep that to a 2 mob max lol. Perle BST POWER!!
I don't mean that they can't survive, I can survive 6 EPs hitting me too.
I just can't keep claim on all of them.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-02-02 12:23:41
Ragnarok.Yokyumosheemo said: »I might be pissed if my duo buddy & I hadn't just lvl'ed DNC + THF for dyna.
as far as Dipper's TH goes, it isn't worth a piss to begin with anyway, imho. say hello to my 0/30+ drop on faith torque
(yes that subject makes me QQ)
LOL, sadly Faith Torque is not a good example... Even with THF I never got one.. I'm 0/10 myself... and thats with a real THF... Not a good examply at all.. Dipper TH is pretty good tbh.
I saw a Faith Torque drop... once... (I made 9 mules just to get mine from Bonanza...)
My main issue with BST in Dyna is the ability to hold unreasonable numbers of mobs.
Edit: I don't mean survive against, I mean literally keep claim.
No doubt. At least when I go, the zone isn't usually "too" crowded. But every so often, you'll see some BST surrounded by most of the mobs of one time, hacking away, and eventually killing them all. It's silliness.
By Ophannus 2012-02-02 12:24:29
Quote: I have 0 downtime on DNC/THF. I heal once every 3-5 min.
Just curious how. I do THF/DNC and mobs still hit me pretty often. Evasion caps at 80% so I'm definitely getting hit 1/5 times and mobs in Dynamis hit hard, for like 70-200ish(the DC at least even with Signet) unless you're doing EPs.
Bahamut.Zangada
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-02-02 12:24:52
WOOT about time SE nerfed BST!
BST has gotten nothing but nerfs, they pretty much force us to use only jugs then do nothing but nerf them.
Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 12:32:31
Quote: I have 0 downtime on DNC/THF. I heal once every 3-5 min.
Just curious how. I do THF/DNC and mobs still hit me pretty often. Evasion caps at 80% so I'm definitely getting hit 1/5 times and mobs in Dynamis hit hard, for like 70-200ish(the DC at least even with Signet) unless you're doing EPs.
If I'm soloing, I tend to do EPs. DCs become more efficient in a duo.
Server: Lakshmi
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-02-02 12:56:05
WAR gets nerfed: OMG MY LIFE IS OVER.
BST gets a series of nerfs: YES. DYNAMIS WILL BE OPEN NOW.
WAR = still a top tier job.
BST = aiming to be worst job with RDM at this rate.
BANANARANCE.
Seriously, if you think being able to hold some EPs in Dynamis qualifies a nerf, you're either not thinking objectively or have an irrational hatred of losing claim to soloists in a solo zone.
Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 12:57:54
I never said it qualified or deserved a nerf, I said it benefits me. There is a difference.
Server: Shiva
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-02-02 13:03:43
Fenrir.Horsebreath said: »My main issue with BST in Dyna is the ability to hold unreasonable numbers of mobs.
Edit: I don't mean survive against, I mean literally keep claim. I can successfully pull and hold 4 mobs in dynamis no problem on my BST, survive and kill them all. With the exception of Hydra, I keep that to a 2 mob max lol. Perle BST POWER!!
Unless I'm there on Blu, i'll watch you proc, switch off the mob to the next, let you're lil hippogryph whittle it down, then delta thrust for 3-4 coins. Happens all the time.
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Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 13:07:01
Fenrir.Horsebreath said: »My main issue with BST in Dyna is the ability to hold unreasonable numbers of mobs.
Edit: I don't mean survive against, I mean literally keep claim. I can successfully pull and hold 4 mobs in dynamis no problem on my BST, survive and kill them all. With the exception of Hydra, I keep that to a 2 mob max lol. Perle BST POWER!!
Unless I'm there on Blu, i'll watch you proc, switch off the mob to the next, let you're lil hippogryph whittle it down, then delta thrust for 3-4 coins. Happens all the time.
I used to do this, but apparently you can get GM jailed for stealing other people's proc'd mobs :/
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-02-02 13:09:32
I was told a LONG time ago by a GM that any white mob is killable.
Cerberus.Kvazz
Server: Cerberus
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-02-02 13:10:51
I was told a LONG time ago by a GM that any white mob is killable.
And I sure do abuse that if people hold an unreasonable number of mobs (3+)
If there is close to no competition, I can handle people holding 3 too.
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By Artemicion 2012-02-02 13:11:14
Whatever happened to yellow = up for grabs?
Read: It might be white, if so, I should probably adjust my gamma settings a bit.
Valefor.Foxtrot
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By Valefor.Foxtrot 2012-02-02 13:11:56
Man you guys are haters- maybe the bst/dyna situation is different on your servers. Um check zone before you enter if you don't want to deal with a ton of competition? Yes, a pet can hold several mobs- but I've seen plds in dyna holding at least twice as many trying to proc (ex. literally all the dc trees in valk).
I don't see whats wrong with bst having the best solo dyna farm niche- not like it fits many/if any other spots. A pet only getting TH3 likely would never replace a thf (except maybe in dyna).
I don't see lowering pet TH thinning out dyna by any means. Personally I'd rather deal with farming against a solo beast than a some sort of thf+whatever duo on ep mobs. I find it more obnoxious competing with people in parties attacking ep mobs when they'd likely make more doing dc.
Not sure what some of the comments are in regards to bst not being a "real" job- I'm assuming you didn't try to level it when bst didn't get leave till like lvl 30. Pre-abys and trash it was probably one of the most difficult jobs to get to 75.
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