Best Axe For Tp? Main And Off Hand

I just got the -20dmg axes and now want to work towards my tp axes. What are the best axes to use as main hand and off hand? Is our weapon skill axe worth it? Or go for different axes? Looking for mostly abyssea for now. Eventually will be outside abyssea

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27877/best-weapon-for-ruinator/
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27541/bst-ruinator/

Is the weapon skill Cloudsplitter worth getting? I am used to nin where Blade hi was defently with it. Can't find anywhere that says Cloudsplitter is that great.

From the two links you gave it seems the dbl atk+10 is one of the best axes.

What about the occ attacks 2-4?

I don't mind work or group work I just want the beat two axes for party tp'ing

Cloudsplitter is crap but emp axe is a pretty decent dmg wep. As for occ atk 2-4 it's really not that good the proc rate ruins it.

I have read so many forums my eyes are going crazy. Using an iPhone lol. It looks like best axes are dbl atk+ 10/11, Str axe, or OaT axe

Seems that OaT axes are only good as off hand?

So between combos of
Da / Da
Da / Str
Str / Da
Str / Str
Da / OaT
Str / OaT

What would you say is best combo for overall damage

Will eventuly work towards guttler.
Want to start trials tonight

I'd say either STR/STR or STR/DA, though I'm not a BST so I don't really know if there are any better main/off hand axes readily available.


OAT won't add that much as far as I know. STR axes will significantly help your WS's, STR+11/Att+22(?) is a huge addition from just your weapon(s) alone. The DA one will obviously give you a better TP gain over time and give you some WS spikes.

They compliment each other pretty nicely in my opinion, I'd avoid DA/DA though and I'd avoid any OAT ones completely.


Again though, I'm not a BST!

You know, I was actually playing with the idea of trying the DA/DA combo. It's tempting. The final stage DA axe has a really high damage, and 11% DA from just the one axe. Just comparing it with my tp gear and it would put me at a 25% DA rate. Add another DA axe, which would be 10% due to the axe being rare, and that's 35% with more Da options possible. In the end it just boils down to what does more in the long run, the higher damage WS's from str, or the increased ws frequency and higher chance of damage spikes. Right now, I'm leaning more towards the latter, though at the moment, this is just conjecture.

Interesting.. Some useable TP gear w/ DA - Twilight Belt (2%), 2 Axes (11%*2=22%), Brutal Earring (5%), Atheling Mantle (3%). That's 32% total for TP gear. Add Ferine feet and Avant Cuisses +1 for WS and that's another 5% for 37% (Although you wouldn't WS in Twilight Belt so 35%). I'm sure there's some gear I'm forgetting too. Perhaps Nomkahpa Mitts for TP too (3%).

STR or DA/ridill, all the tp you ever need and with a pretty solid base dmg for ruinator.

So cool bro, so cool.

I'm not sure why people are recommending Ridill at all. At 99, BST have more than 100 skill in axes than in swords. They're even worse than OAT axes. Obviously, yes, if you don't yet have your trials done, then it's a good offhand option. Only reason I see why people are deluding themselves in thinking Ridill is still a viable option is probably because they spent all their points on the item back in the day and are just clinging onto the last fragments of hope.

The cap is now 99, guys, not 75. Let's move on.

PS. Notice the title of the thread says "best", not mediocre.

what defines "Best"? Highest DoT rate? fastest TP accumulation rate?. your right ridill is not the optimal choice, its should be DA/Kraken for fastest tp build while maintain a good dmg weapon for ruinator.

Only if Acc. is not a concern.

Ridill is still an ok offhand for stuff like dynamis, where you want lots of tp to proc stuff.
But I guess, BST these days means dynamis onry?

What's best is situational and dependent on who. In this case, it's the OP and the situation is Abyssea. So while Kraken club is probably "best", whether or not it is readily available for the OP is another question. In many cases, it won't be the case. So the next best option would be a magian, which is the OP's best.

Actually, DA axe is not going to be the best TP building axe. I think a OA2~4 or stp 16 axe probably would be, no?

DA is higher DOT for an offhand anx, and also builds tp quite well, but its not going to be the fastest tp. Probably Kraken for that, but more realisitically a oa2~4 or STP axe.

Unless SE revamps Cloudsplitter , Farsha isn't worth it unless you are willing to invest the time to take it past level 90, at 99 the 12 extra damage you get as a base will likely far exceed the outputs you would recieve from a STR trial axe.
However most people aren't going to bother taking Farsha past 90 since Cloudsplitter itself is god awful outside of Abyssea, and inside Abyssea, the best I've seen so far is 3k vs DC>EM Dolls in Altepa (RR VV Ultimate) and I'm only 3 items away from finishing Cloudsplitter build, so at most I'm expecting a 300 damage increase, Averaging 2.1-2.5k. It sucks horribly vs NMs in Abyssea Especially magic based enemies highest I've seen on a NM is around 1.8k (85 form axe) averaging 900-1.2k, and by NMs I mean the NMs that you would want damage on like Bukhis, Carabosse, Croin, Reseph, etc.
The only + side to Cloudsplitter is it is extremely consitant, you won't do 2k one time and drop to 280 another time like what i've seen happen with blade hi. It usually only fluxes around 50-100 damage on the same enemy if even that much.
Sure its an awesome brewing weapon, but so is Wildfire, and it doesn't fail hard *** outside of abyssea like Cloudsplitter does.
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I have the OA2-4 and yes, it builds up TP quick. With OA2-4 and /dnc i managed to solo all currency and items for Guttler quite well. Now that i have Guttler, i´m not so convinced any more OA2-4 is my best sub slot option.

The thing is, DA, TA and OA2-4 do not stack. It is TA > DA > 2-4.

What i did is building a TP set without any DA/TA to make sure i get the most out of the OA2-4. (Atheling -> Vimukti, Twilight belt -> Moepapa, Ferine feet+2 -> Savateur´s gaiters, Brutal -> Aesir ear pendant etc.)

I don´t know if that decision is wise, and i constantly see people with OA2-4 and tons of DA/TA gear. Just recently i started with the DA axe, but i would really like to know if it´s worth it, and whether or not i´m right eliminating all DA/TA from OA2-4-TP-set.

In that case I would be running numbers on the STP axe. I don't know how they would fall, but an STP axe would definitely get the benifit whether its DA, TA, or OA2~4

I ran the OA2-4 axe the past few months and geared it similarly to yourself eliminating DA and TA gear. The axe doesn't have the greatest hit distribution so I started experimenting a bit. I added DA gear to my TP set and didn't notice any negative impacts other than my mainhand being able to DA.

I read a thread on BG recently that pretty much confirmed my suspicions and should help you figure out a TP best for you.

Level-99-OA2-4-Distribution

I think a lot of the debate about DA v OAT comes from the mindset that DA wins over time. I'm sure that if you stack a lot of DA gear (even when you factor in that BST doesn't get the benefit of WAR or /WAR job traits), DA builds will probably pull ahead over time.

But I wonder how often this is really relevant for a BST? If you're fighting a mob that you're going to WS against many times (a very hard NM, for example), chances are you're better off changing to a different job. BSTs typically either idle in pet buff gear and stand way back, or melee alongside their pet against fodder mobs (Dyna, for example).

I wonder if TP gain is linear for both of these weapons? Could it be the case (I'd like to see the math) that OAT weapons will win the race to 100TP, but ultimately lose out over time because DA-fueled WS's will pump out more damage over time? If that's the case, I'm fine with an OAT axe, because I want to swing a few times, try for a proc, then WS a mob to kill it. I have found that a couple of hundred extra damage for the WS probably won't make a difference, as the mob is dead anyway. What's more important to me is generating TP very quickly. Just wondering if we need to frame the discussion of the axes in the very specific situations in which BST will use them.

For what it's worth, I plan on finishing my OAT axe to 99 (just got 90 last night), and then taking my DA axe to 95 (still a few trials to go). I will mainhand STR/attack path. My Farsha will stay at 80 forever, sadly.

just go with Astolfo x2 , same dmg as farsha lvl 90 (74 dmg), plus pet pdt, Farsha is a waste of time in my opinion, unless you're a dynamis bst or brew very often to farm gil.

you are forgetting the STR mod. you need fire path astolfo to beat level 90 farsha. but I agree. Farsha is not so great.

I have not been able to find much info on the 99 axes besides -pdt. Most sites go up to the lvl 90 version. Just want to double check. With the elemental axes you can have two of the same axe right? 2 lvl 99 Str axes? But for phisical axes just one at 99 but you can have a 99 and 95?

Thank you everyone for all the input in this thread. It has been so helpfull.

correct.

I really like the underrated 2-4 hit axe. Sure the base bamage is low, but its great for fast TP gain.

Despite the fact its ~half base damage of the trail axes the same level, it always hits for approximately 60-70% of the damage.

Also, really wish at 99 it turned into a 2-5 hit axe.

You can have two of each axe. STR or pdt. They can both be level 99. Not so sure about the DA axes.
I have two pdt @ 99.

You can only have one 99 DA/OA2/OA2-4 axe, but you can combo that with a 95 DA/OA2/OA2-4 axe if you so desire because the multi-attack path produces rare axes. The elemental path produces just EX axes, so you can have multiple 99's.

Sorry to bring this topic back up but since the 99 versions have been out awhile now wondering is anyone has ran some numbers on Str axe vs da axe? Still trying to decide best axe combo before I invest all the time and Gil. Da axe can cost 10 mil with mirrors which I don't mind if it's better the str. Thx

I dual wield them... havne't really parsed them to compare. why have 1 when you can use both?