PLD Greatswords At 99

So a PLD friend of mine is interested in a magian Greatsword for Resolution. Aside from the Relic/Empy options what would be best for it? We figured it would come down to TP Bonus or STR one.

inb4 mythic greatsword is the best!

Occ Atk Twice.

Hope that is a joke.

From what I hear its OAT Magian GS probably good to have since OAT can proc on ws.

OAT cannot proc on WS, that's only the Mythic AM3.
But it's still the best magian option

also,there is no mythic great sword >_>

Well, mythic greatsword does have OA2-3 with aftermath active, and with its higher damage and boost to mythic greatsword weaponskill, I think it will pull ahead.

Well yeah, I just meant in general :3

need 300tp for the OA 2-3 aftermath though... as common as that might be with dusty wing temp items everywhere, can't really call it even close to fulltime

If you are going to be doing Voidwatch I would also consider having a straight damage Great sword. The save tp+20 atmacite and regain+3 atmacite combined with a cor in the party can result in a single swing between weaponskills and may make the OAT seem lackluster.

Supose that's more of a DRK situation tho

I don't know what you guys are talking about? I have a mythic GS and it rocks. No, but seriously the mythic GS thing was a joke. One that I've seen made a bunch so I tried to nip it in the bud. Failed.

Hmm i keep been told for merited WSs +100TP bonus is the best option >.>

You probably heard that because of how good the sam TP Bonus GK is, however I think the greatsword one is only a 17% increase in ftp whereas the GK is 56%. Still not a horrible option.

What about Scythe? :o cuz i just finished one for Entropy ~.~

Nope.

100%TP
0.75

200%TP
0.84375

300%TP
0.9375

Nah, doesn't make oat lack luster at all seeing as a double attack puts you back at 100TP

If i WS and get 65tp return and get 10tp a tick then I only really have to swing once so there wouldn't be any point in occasionally attacking twice. This is of course from my DRK point of view though not my PLD.

That's assuming you have loltacticians.

There are better rolls

Being a SAM I was leaning towards suggesting the TP bonus to my PLD friend as well, but if the return isn't as great as it is with Shoha perhaps the STR GS is the way to go? Remember he is a PLD and not a DRK so the attack would probably help as well I'd assume.

i was thinking this same thing actually. I wonder how the weaponskill damage +10% comes into play here

Rag = OaT > Calad > TP bonus > /ws +10 > others.

i love how TWICE, you try to pull off one liners without any proof, theorycraft, or numbers to back up what you say :/

its very anticlimactic, you need SOMETHING to back up what you claim otherwise people like me are left here scratching my head trying to figure out your reasoning

Figure out the reasoning by browsing the DRK forums no offense.

I'm not very good at math or whatever but heres my attempt ><

Something like this

Ragnarok (95)
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1852 DMG:133 Delay:431 Accuracy+35 Increases rate of critical hits IV "Scourge"
LV 95 WAR PLD DRK


Kauriraris (tp bonus)
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1447 DMG:110 Delay:456
LV 99 PLD DRK

Kauriraris (weaponskill damage)
DPS: 1539 DMG: 117 Delay 456
LV 99 PLD DRK

Tenebreuse (STR)
DPS:1662 DMG: 123 Delay: 444
STR+11 attack +26
LV 99 PLD DRK

Fulgurante (Occ att 2x)
DPS: 1300 DMG: 104 Delay: 480
LV 99 PLD DRK


Resolution
20~100% STR (assuming 100%)
0.71875 at 100%
0.84375 at 200%
0.96875 at 300%


That is just measuring up pure DPS, taking into account the hidden effect on Ragnarok (as well as high base damage and dps) I'd place a firm bet that it is #1, resolution gets a 15%~ increase between 100% and 200% so I would probably put the TP bonus ahead of the ws damage +10% but I would imagine that in events such as voidwatch you often have dusty wings and whatnot so the weaponskill damage +10% might come ahead, I really don't know how it would fare up to the STR Tenebreuse because I'm not good at math... That also means I'm not quite sure how to factor in occ atk 2x.

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Edit: store tp/hit build

oooooooooookay so sam sub gives 20 store tp remember that for the info below. The values aren't including Store Tp III

Ragnarok 431 delay
14 store tp needed for a 8 hit
30 store tp needed for a 7 hit
52 store tp needed for a 6 hit

Kauriraris 456 delay (both ws damage and tp bonus have same delay)
6 store tp needed for a 8 hit
22 store tp needed for a 7 hit
42 store tp needed for a 6 hit

Tenebreuse 444 delay
11 store tp needed for a 8 hit
27 store tp needed for a 7 hit
48 store tp needed for a 6 hit

Fulgurante 480 delay
10 store tp needed for a 7 hit
29 store tp needed for a 6 hit
54 store tp needed for a 5 hit

maybe someone can use this info to calculate out which has a higher weaponskill frequency, Kauriraris (both) actually look to be really fine weapons from what I can see x.x

I can get a basic idea from there but ultimately pld and drk are somewhat different to gear, taking into consideration pld's lack of attack

DPS figures like that are meaningless.

your welcome to contribute something meaningful then :3

I'd say it's pretty meaningful to point out that one shouldn't make any decisions based on those numbers. Increases in WS frequency, for instance, aren't accounted for, and are a gigantic part of an actual comparison.

this is true, it wasn't meant to be an end all figure, lets build off it and figure out the hierarchy of greatswords with SOME sort of reason here. That's what I was attempting to do.

I'm not very used to FFXI maths, but as far as I can see when trying, WS dmg GS* pulls ahead of TP bonus.


Edit: Typoo

Edit2: Hmm, actually not, ah f**k this, I need an adult to make sure I do this correctly. Would be nice to figure out for sure <_>

Edit3!:

tp bonus base dmg 110 (fstr= 16), ws dmg base dmg 117(fstr= 17)

WS BASE DMG TP BONUS = ((110 + 16 + 144) x 5.21875) = 1409

WS BASE DMG WS DMG = ((117 + 17 + 144) x 4.59375) x 1.1 = 1404

Random numbers I used: lower fstr cap then added 4 for randomness.
Assumed 160 STR for WSC.
Assumed both ws gorget\belt and 5 hits landed.
Any math-person that can confirm/tell me what I'm doing wrong?
I figured pdif doesnt really matter, as it's added after base dmg and would'nt change what's better.
Ofc this is just for pure ws dmg, ws dmg GS would be a bit better on tp phase with more base dmg, maybe they'r just basicly equal?