[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades |
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[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades
Ragnarok.Unctgtg said: » Looks like it is going to be the following 5 for relics 3 for mythics 60 for emp Someone posted on the JP forums. Still somewhat annoying, but that's doable for sure. Doing like 20 relics is still gonna take us foreeever as an ls <_> Still doesn't seem reasonable to me and it should be kills, not drops. Especially not sallable drops.
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: » Still doesn't seem reasonable to me and it should be kills, not drops. Especially not sallable drops. I agree, but at this point, I'm just happy for any improvement we do get. 5 -> 20 for sure >_> Atleast now, you can do a relic a week, aprox. In the post that Unctgtg is referring to, Mocchi threatens that the number would have to be 18 times higher if it was going to be number of kills.
If you think about it this way, the trial only takes about 100 million gil paying 1 mil per person per ADL. It provides a gil-making alternative to farming Dynamis currency, at least. With "X Kill" trials they would indeed favor cooperation between players, just as the "X Kill of X NM in Dyna Beaucedine" did to some extent.
If, however, the trials for even the base 99 weapons turn out to demand a set amount of rare items off specific NMs, any of them (Mythic/Relic/EMpyrean) will be a major time sink, and more significantly a waste of potential time to all but 1 player per run. Sadly, that is exactly what SE wants. More time and more $$$ Cerberus.Kvazz said: » Bismarck.Ramyrez said: » Still doesn't seem reasonable to me and it should be kills, not drops. Especially not sallable drops. If you can strongarm your linkshell into forgoing their own runs for their own benefit and pay the MASSIVE opportunity cost of doing runs for you.
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Am I the only person able to see an improvement in just having to do 5?
Yes, it still sucks. Is it better than any previous number? yes.
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I think it is much more reasonable now and I look forward to PDing some people at 1 mil per run.
Cerberus.Kvazz said: » Am I the only person able to see an improvement in just having to do 5? Yes, it still sucks. Is it better than any previous number? yes. Yes, it is an improvement, but it's still bad.
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Cerberus.Kvazz said: » Am I the only person able to see an improvement in just having to do 5? Yes, it still sucks. Is it better than any previous number? yes. A smack in the face is better than a kick in the balls. Both are offensive and shouldn't be defended on the basis of one being better than the other. I'll bloody admit it. I feel a little entitled here to something for the work I've already done and not just have more grinding and annoyance heaped onto the load. I have sunk countless hours into my one relic. I made it at 75 buying very little currency. I did all but the very last kill trials entirely before the lowered the required numbers and the last I was over the lowered number when they implemented it and I just turned it in. Teamed up with relic holders server-wide in cooperation to do Beaucedine and Xarcabard trials. I did it the way developers "intended," even if it was the "dumb" way to do it. I didn't have the gil to throw around back then and I don't have it to throw around now. If it’s sinking my own time into the trial wasting it, so be it. But don’t make my only option for getting to 99 to be having to push around other people into giving things up so I can upgrade. *briefly edited.
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As it stands -
99 Relics : Around 17k currency, 1 fragment, 1 attestation, and 5 ADL kills * Estimated gil cost: 200-300mil assuming everything buyable bought 99 Mythics : 30k Alexandrite, 100,000 Ampuoles, 150,000 NI tokens, 100 assaults, 12 Tier 4 ZNM kills, 3 PW Kills Estimated gil cost: 300~500mil assuming everything buyable bought (varies a lot based on server) 99 Empyreans : A few days of killing lotto NMs, then 175 Abyssea monster drops, 1500 HMPs, and 60 Riftdross/cinder Estimated gil cost: 200-350mil assuming everything buyable bought TBQH, this is the closest to balanced that the three trial lines have ever been. For those of us here complaining, we need to take it to the official forums. They don't read our comments here. Post on the Official forums.
Lakshmi.Byrth said: » As it stands - 99 Relics : Around 17k currency, 1 fragment, 1 attestation, and 5 ADL kills * Estimated gil cost: 200-300mil assuming everything buyable bought 99 Mythics : 30k Alexandrite, 100,000 Ampuoles, 150,000 NI tokens, 100 assaults, 12 Tier 4 ZNM kills, 3 PW Kills Estimated gil cost: 300~500mil assuming everything buyable bought (varies a lot based on server) 99 Empyreans : A few days of killing lotto NMs, then 175 Abyssea monster drops, 1500 HMPs, and 60 Riftdross/cinder Estimated gil cost: 200-350mil assuming everything buyable bought TBQH, this is the closest to balanced that the three trial lines have ever been. It's only "balanced" (God I hate the word by now) from a Gil point of view, though. Time wise, if anyone starting from 0 wanted to make a mythic it would take him far longer than it would take him to make an Emp, and there is no balance in that, especially when the key to achieving such a far stretched Gil balance is, in fact, forcing people to go the way of money. Do we really want the game to turn into a farm/spam job :( ?
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Quote: Do we really want the game to turn into a farm/spam job :( It already is for a lot of people, which is why this mindset is so prominent already here.
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I think 5 kills is reasonable but at same time I never c adl runs on ccarby I for sure am gonna gather my guys make some pops and wait it out Im sure I can get enough relic owners to smash that.
Now to grind out all my trials before that Just going to point out, as it may be irrelevant now, but arguing that people who already bought items for a specific trial being a valid reason a trial shouldn't change is asinine.
If it is 5, that's still stupid. I don't even think most linkshells can kill ADL, let alone be willing to dedicate 5-10 runs x #amountofrelics. It's just not a very well thought out trial, and Mocchi's excuse of "Kills being 18x higher" is also bs. God forbid anyone glean enjoyment from an accomplishment they already achieved.
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: » Still doesn't seem reasonable to me and it should be kills, not drops. Especially not sallable drops. Kills are silly, Items are far better for everyone involved as they can be sold and don't require you to come a specific job to get credit. As in: "Hey Nausi, I know you need credit for your Apoc but can we get you SCH for Embrava?" EDIT: At 5, this will be quite the challenge, even with Perfect Defense and pimp DDs, ADL can easily "Terror" spam the entire alliance for up to a minute. The forums were very clearly an idea created by people no longer working on FFXI
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Kills are silly, Items are far better for everyone involved as they can be sold and don't require you to come a specific job to get credit. As in: "Hey Nausi, I know you need credit for your Apoc but can we get you SCH for Embrava?" A valid point, but there are ways around it. They could, for example, make it like Dominion Trophies. KIs to either to turn in directly, or trade for the actual items to turn in. Then it wouldn't matter which job you were on, yet it would still be kills. Something the whole alliance can benefit from instead of one person Ragnarok.Unctgtg said: » Looks like it is going to be the following 5 for relics 3 for mythics 60 for emp Someone posted on the JP forums. its that for the base 99, or the glowing 99 Asura.Isiolia said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Kills are silly, Items are far better for everyone involved as they can be sold and don't require you to come a specific job to get credit. As in: "Hey Nausi, I know you need credit for your Apoc but can we get you SCH for Embrava?" A valid point, but there are ways around it. They could, for example, make it like Dominion Trophies. KIs to either to turn in directly, or trade for the actual items to turn in. Then it wouldn't matter which job you were on, yet it would still be kills. Something the whole alliance can benefit from instead of one person Yeah but can we actually have a task where people can't just show up for and have someone else do the work for them for a change? No one is gonna shout for a pickup group for this, you're gonna have to either pay for them or actually help out others so that they can help you out to get it? What's wrong with that? It's only 5 items.... Lakshmi.Rearden said: » The forums were very clearly an idea created by people no longer working on FFXI Ragnarok.Unctgtg said: » For those of us here complaining, they don't read our comments here and they quickly disregard feedback on the official forums. ftfy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Mocchi View Post こんにちは。 先週の投稿でお約束していた、調整後の強化に必要なアイテムの予定数量をお知らせします。 アイテムの必要数について 試練の難易度に見合うように調整を行った結果、それぞれの武器群における一段階目の必要数は以下の値で考えています。 レリックウェポン：5個 ミシックウェポン：3個 エンピリアンウェポン：60個 ※二段階目については、引き続き慎重な検討を行っており、具体的な内容がお伝えできるようになり次第改めてお知らせします。 NQ relic 99 Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Asura.Isiolia said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Kills are silly, Items are far better for everyone involved as they can be sold and don't require you to come a specific job to get credit. As in: "Hey Nausi, I know you need credit for your Apoc but can we get you SCH for Embrava?" It's only five items. For one person. For one weapon. On a fight you can realistically do once a day if you have just the right setup of friends. Because this isn't going to be a fight you do reliably in a shout group. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with this game's community that it's become so jaded to think that's an ok scenario?
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bismarck.Ramyrez said: » Still doesn't seem reasonable to me and it should be kills, not drops. Especially not sallable drops. Kills are silly, Items are far better for everyone involved as they can be sold and don't require you to come a specific job to get credit. As in: "Hey Nausi, I know you need credit for your Apoc but can we get you SCH for Embrava?" EDIT: At 5, this will be quite the challenge, even with Perfect Defense and pimp DDs, ADL can easily "Terror" spam the entire alliance for up to a minute. Nobody in a reasonable state of mind will ever sell those items unless him and, supposively? hopefully? all of the people who helped him get his/her weapon to 99 are completely and surely done with them, and that will not happen because no matter what, people will keep on making new weapons and needing those very same items to complete them. And even if they did sell them, the absurd price tag they'd put on said items is certainly not going to be "achievable by most players".
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Odin.Sheelay said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bismarck.Ramyrez said: » Still doesn't seem reasonable to me and it should be kills, not drops. Especially not sallable drops. Kills are silly, Items are far better for everyone involved as they can be sold and don't require you to come a specific job to get credit. As in: "Hey Nausi, I know you need credit for your Apoc but can we get you SCH for Embrava?" EDIT: At 5, this will be quite the challenge, even with Perfect Defense and pimp DDs, ADL can easily "Terror" spam the entire alliance for up to a minute. Nobody in a reasonable state of mind will ever sell those items unless him and, supposively? hopefully? all of the people who helped him get his/her weapon to 99 are completely and surely done with them, and that will not happen because no matter what, people will keep on making new weapons and needing those very same items to complete them. And even if they did sell them, the absurd price tag they'd put on said items is certainly not going to be "achievable by most players". Well if you don't wanna pay for them, then you don't get no relic, and (99) relics are once again the most exclusive weapons in the game. I am fully OK with this final trial taking a month or so of hard work. If you want to be among the exclusive, start a shell and get your ADL on, otherwise start selling them and get your GIL making groove on, in the end people WILL buy them for whatever they're worth. This is not a punishment, it's an opportunity. Bismarck.Ramyrez said: » What's wrong with this game's community that it's become so jaded to think that's an ok scenario? Well, to be fair, the idea of things from which everyone can benefit all at once is a relatively new concept to FFXI. Japanese culture, etc. |
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