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 Lakshmi.Rearden
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-01-26 00:11:51
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Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
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Isnt going from 95 to 99 a 15% ws buff or something? Id hardly call that mostly useless, lol.

I'm talking the afterglow, if you think the first trial is hard and will take 2 years to do, well I don't know what comment I could add that would be polite.

Just curious, how long do you think it will take?
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By Phoenix.Ninjie 2012-01-26 00:12:08
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Lakshmi.Greggles said: »
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Honestly, SE does some stupid things as far as FFXI, but I don't think they are dumb off to piss off players of XI in hopes that they will go to XIV.

This. It seems kind of paranoid to assume that SE is trying to annoy people at FFXI to get them to play XIV. There's better ways to go about it if that really were their objective lol.
If they really are trying to do this, they are better off just shutting down the servers.
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By Cerberus.Sevvy 2012-01-26 00:13:24
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Makado said: »
This is my theory. Se is tired of ffxi and introduce balance and ridiculous Trials to discourage and piss of players so they can either convert us to 14 or work on something new ffxi is old as hell how much more can they do.

R.I.P.-FFxi

Just because you see it as a problem doesn't mean the game is going to die. Remember FFXI has its roots in seemingly hard content and I, for one, am glad that it is going to something you have to work for. There are too many players nowadays that are bred with Abyssea where you walk into a zone and zone out with all the ***you want. Sometimes things take work, and this is going to be one of them.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-01-26 00:17:15
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I like that your definition of work is translated as "takes the time of 17 other people" and "requires a minimum of 20 days in dynamis and more likely around 30" and "severely limits the gil acquisition/relic acquisition of those 17 other people".

I hope that was correct google can be a pain sometimes.
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2012-01-26 00:25:02
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Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
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Isnt going from 95 to 99 a 15% ws buff or something? Id hardly call that mostly useless, lol.

I'm talking the afterglow, if you think the first trial is hard and will take 2 years to do, well I don't know what comment I could add that would be polite.

Just curious, how long do you think it will take?

I'm aiming for 6-7 dynamis runs - if trial is 20 marrows @100% drop. We'll see what the drop is.

Also ftr I watched friend's ls beat ADL with 12 people last night...not 17.
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2012-01-26 00:26:28
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Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
I like that your definition of work is translated as "takes the time of 17 other people" and "requires a minimum of 20 days in dynamis and more likely around 30" and "severely limits the gil acquisition/relic acquisition of those 17 other people".

I hope that was correct google can be a pain sometimes.

LOL if you think coordinating 17 other people to do something for 1 to a couple people at a time isn't work...

Once again, less can'ts and more how to's.

I'd like to remind people about original thoughts about empy aquistition when abyssea first came out...
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-01-26 00:28:42
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Ah so that's achievable by everyone? Everyone was beating AV at 75 then, not just a select few LSs?

6-7 runs. Not sure if I should stop laughing or find a desk for my forehead
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2012-01-26 00:34:31
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Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
Ah so that's achievable by everyone? Everyone was beating AV at 75 then, not just a select few LSs?

6-7 runs. Not sure if I should stop laughing or find a desk for my forehead

You'd have to farm pops with an alliance 1-2 runs.

Then figure out best way to kill 4 ADL lords per run. Doable as long as ADL can be beast w/o 2 hours.

And again the difference here will be who cries this is too hard, and who's trying to actually this this done, and in an efficient way.

Also not sure what AV has anything to do with empyrean weapons and people thinking it would take years to collect all the items.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-26 00:35:56
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Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
Ah so that's achievable by everyone? Everyone was beating AV at 75 then, not just a select few LSs?

6-7 runs. Not sure if I should stop laughing or find a desk for my forehead

You'd have to farm pops with an alliance 1-2 runs.

Then figure out best way to kill 4 ADL lords per run. Doable as long as ADL can be beast w/o 2 hours.

lol
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-01-26 00:36:10
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I'm taking it you are offering opinions on something you've never even attempted.

That's rich.
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2012-01-26 00:38:11
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Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
I'm taking it you are offering opinions on something you've never even attempted.

That's rich.

No I'm quite aware of the difficulty of ADL, even with 2 hours. However - I believe there has to be a way.
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By Fenrir.Demomo 2012-01-26 00:39:41
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Everyone in ally bring their own COR or SMN with alex mule? Yeahhhhh
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-26 00:39:59
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Please then, do explain your tactics in combating what even Perfect Defense isn't guaranteed to prevent.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-01-26 00:43:04
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See what you actually need to do is bring 72 people into Dynamis and then each alliance does their own ADL while letting one person lot the item they need.

I think this makes the trial much more reasonable
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By Ragnarok.Nekonarf 2012-01-26 00:45:45
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Oh good I only need another 42 competition players in my shell and I can farm ADL efficiently.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-26 00:46:32
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It clearly only gets more efficient the more people you force to go with you!
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By Lakshmi.Greggles 2012-01-26 00:48:05
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Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
See what you actually need to do is bring 72 people into Dynamis and then each alliance does their own ADL while letting one person lot the item they need.

I think this makes the trial much more reasonable

Why only 72? Bring 360 and get the weapon done in one run!
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2012-01-26 00:48:07
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Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
See what you actually need to do is bring 72 people into Dynamis and then each alliance does their own ADL while letting one person lot the item they need.

I think this makes the trial much more reasonable

Sorry you can't fit that many people into dynamis actually!

Anyways continue talking about how you are going to leave the game because you can't get a relic trial done. No one that is currently participating in this thread tonight will put forth any valuable suggestions. I don't have any answers atm on doing this w/o PD - but I'm willing to try - maybe fail horribly and get a told you so, but I'd rather do that than sit around and complain.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-01-26 00:53:53
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I pity you because you feel voicing an opinion has no merit and that your vote (money) is not worth casting.

Rather than stand up to, complain, voice concern, etc, you would rather trudge along and follow like a beaten mule.
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By Makado 2012-01-26 00:59:29
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I'm sure you wish this game would go on forever and ever lol but ive been playing since it came out, the game is past its prime we are capped at 99 there really is nothing else to do except trudge along and farm for the next 2 yrs your 99 items on w/e last server is left by then. Your addicted FFxi is like a fix for you. The game will end and soon, a fresh start is needed.
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By Ragnarok.Nekonarf 2012-01-26 01:11:00
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Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
See what you actually need to do is bring 72 people into Dynamis and then each alliance does their own ADL while letting one person lot the item they need.

I think this makes the trial much more reasonable

Sorry you can't fit that many people into dynamis actually!

Anyways continue talking about how you are going to leave the game because you can't get a relic trial done. No one that is currently participating in this thread tonight will put forth any valuable suggestions. I don't have any answers atm on doing this w/o PD - but I'm willing to try - maybe fail horribly and get a told you so, but I'd rather do that than sit around and complain.

Even with Earthen Armor and Scherzo his TP attacks hit way to hard, and most if not all have an endeath proc attached to them that also procs through PD which is where the real challenge is, I'm sure if you have an amazing set of red mages with you, with strong dark magic build you could also chainspell stun lock him and have your alliance split when he splits each taking there own DL, coordinating such a split would probably be a pain in the *** tho, and anything that gets through will most likely 1 shot you, if not death will proc.
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By Ragnarok.Marquiss 2012-01-26 01:24:38
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Throw 18 BLUs at ADL!
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By Makado 2012-01-26 01:29:28
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Throw 18 taru's at ADL! Literally!! 1st strap c4 to them then throwm em
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By Quiznor 2012-01-26 10:17:43
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Also,as mentioned in the notes.When this update hits test server.Someone let me know what the new zeni/plate rate is like
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-27 14:54:24
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We have been seeing a lot of pretty fierce comments in regards to the trials to upgrade Relic/Mythic/Empyrean weapons and I feel the need to comment on a couple of things.

The number of items necessary
Let me start off with an explanation and apology.

While we did mention that the number was temporary, it seems like many of you misunderstood that and took the numbers we posted as indicators of the actual values. Instead, we should have used numbers like 1 or 9999 to make it abundantly clearer that these numbers were temporary.

I do not want to risk confusing you all even more, so I will make this simple. The difficulty (as well as time necessary) of obtaining the items necessary to upgrade each type of gear will be, in order of increasing difficulty, Mythic > Relic > Empyrean. As such, the number of items necessary to upgrade each type of gear will not be the same between the sets of trials.

As an adjustment to the time required for both creating and enhancing Mythic weapons, we are trying to increase the amount of zeni received for each soulplate traded, so you receive over 10 times the amount. (Currently on the test server the data has been changed so you receive 15 times as much)

With this as a basis, we are currently looking into and testing the appropriate amount of items, as well as the content of trials up until now and the obtainment paths for the required items. Once the amount has been decided after the investigation, we will be announcing the information along with the detailed thought process behind it.

In the meantime, we ask that you please stop focusing discussions on the idea that these values on the test server are the actual values that are to be implemented.
 
 
 
The accuracy of the content implemented on the test server
Regarding content implemented on the test server, we have been receiving comments stating that it is not right to implement content that has yet to be finalized.

We understand that some of these comments may come from players who have not read our posts or the information released with the road map, but I would like to explain again, because the test server is an important aspect of future version updates, as well as our development and QA procedures.

In general, please consider content implemented on the test server as content that is either in development, needing adjustments or in the process of being adjusted.

As soon as content is implemented on the test server, not only do players have a chance to test out the new content, the development and QA teams also perform balance checks and bug screening. It would be possible to delay player access to the test server, but this would shorten the time that players are able to submit feedback, which may lead to unnecessary delays. Therefore, we have our current test server for the benefit of all involved, so we would appreciate if you understand the reasoning behind our current implementation strategy.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-27 14:55:42
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10 times the zeni >.> wow
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-01-27 14:57:14
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1000 zeni per plate wouldnt be too bad ;o i could get a glowing ranger then!
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By Carbuncle.Crollion 2012-01-27 14:58:28
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Good finally this came out maybe now everyone can stop wowing over temp numbers since that's what they said from the getgo
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By Lakshmi.Eyrhika 2012-01-27 15:02:39
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Jesus christ. They make a test server so we can try out new content and comment about what we think before it is implemented, then they *** and moan when we comment on it. You can't have it both ways SE, either we get to comment on what you put on the server, or don't put unfinished content on there.
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By Quiznor 2012-01-27 15:05:34
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
10 times the zeni >.> wow

omg............omg.........just busted a nut.raging i turned in 58 soul plates yesterday (@ 106 zeni per plate) so i guess im off to farm more!
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