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 Ragnarok.Returner
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By Ragnarok.Returner 2012-01-13 11:20:14
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At some point I have to build a ragnarok. I wonder how OAT stacks up with the lvl 99 Rag now.
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By Lakshmi.Neboh 2012-01-13 11:24:48
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Yeah it's called collateral. No offense, it's just insurance. I don't mind lending loans to people who are trustworthy and have good references.

Currency prices are a lot cheaper than when I got apoc awhile ago though. You guys finishing are a lot luckier than the older relic holders.
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By Ragnarok.Returner 2012-01-13 11:27:33
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
Ragnarok.Returner said: »
4.05 ftp with neck/gorget for lvl 99 cata seems to be very nice. Probably just slightly lower than Entropy in damage output (if at capped accuracy), but much much better in utility.
I'm sure it will be a straight additive like it is currently, which is better then a fTP boost. (167+26+90) x 4.05) x 2.25 = 2578 ((167+26+90) x 2.95) x 2.25) x 1.4 = 2629 DA is 3215 vs 3521

sorry, it is 4.13 instead of 4.05 since it should be 2.95 x 1.4 instead of 2.75*1.4 + 0.2.

I can see it helping DA the most since it goes from 1.0 to 1.4...
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-01-13 11:29:10
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Ragnarok.Returner said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Ragnarok.Returner said: »
4.05 ftp with neck/gorget for lvl 99 cata seems to be very nice. Probably just slightly lower than Entropy in damage output (if at capped accuracy), but much much better in utility.
I'm sure it will be a straight additive like it is currently, which is better then a fTP boost. (167+26+90) x 4.05) x 2.25 = 2578 ((167+26+90) x 2.95) x 2.25) x 1.4 = 2629 DA is 3215 vs 3521

sorry, it is 4.13 instead of 4.05 since it should be 2.95 x 1.4 instead of 2.75*1.4 + 0.2.

I can see it helping DA the most since it goes from 1.0 to 1.4...

It's not a ftp multiplier, but it's a multiplier added after everything is added together, I think.
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By Hades.Ferusio 2012-01-13 11:32:35
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neeed to finnish, hurry up and get fixd click and buy :/
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-01-13 11:34:11
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We don't just BANDY ABOUT loans. He's my uncle tug tug D: He's the first dark knight I ever knew and he literally cultivated me from the "oh ***what do i do there is giant rabbits" stage through the "this is your first dynamis and let me walk you through how it works".

Also, I'd like to start a petition that unc should have to idle in tracker's kecks again, at least in town.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-13 11:36:32
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Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
Ragnarok.Returner said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Ragnarok.Returner said: »
4.05 ftp with neck/gorget for lvl 99 cata seems to be very nice. Probably just slightly lower than Entropy in damage output (if at capped accuracy), but much much better in utility.
I'm sure it will be a straight additive like it is currently, which is better then a fTP boost. (167+26+90) x 4.05) x 2.25 = 2578 ((167+26+90) x 2.95) x 2.25) x 1.4 = 2629 DA is 3215 vs 3521
sorry, it is 4.13 instead of 4.05 since it should be 2.95 x 1.4 instead of 2.75*1.4 + 0.2. I can see it helping DA the most since it goes from 1.0 to 1.4...
It's not a ftp multiplier, but it's a multiplier added after everything is added together, I think.


Correct, fTP was never changed.
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By Ragnarok.Returner 2012-01-13 11:50:16
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I know, but it is the same thing.

5 x 2 x 1.4 = 14 = 5 x 1.4 x 2

I am not trying to argue, but just trying to find a comparable ftp figure. Since it is not a straight ftp change, just add 0.14 for each gorget/belt instead of 0.1, and add 1.4 for each DA instead of 1.0 to get an expected ftp value.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-13 12:37:47
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Ragnarok.Returner said: »
I know, but it is the same thing. 5 x 2 x 1.4 = 14 = 5 x 1.4 x 2 I am not trying to argue, but just trying to find a comparable ftp figure. Since it is not a straight ftp change, just add 0.14 for each gorget/belt instead of 0.1, and add 1.4 for each DA instead of 1.0 to get an expected ftp value.


Or you could just do it correctly and multiply damage by 1.4 at the end instead of doing it 3 times in the middle.
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By Ragnarok.Returner 2012-01-13 12:43:10
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Yea but that way you can't effectively compare each WS by their ftp, which was what I was trying to do to get a quick comparison with Entropy. DA and TA are king for those relic WS.

Nvm: we meant the same thing.
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By Carbuncle.Crollion 2012-01-13 12:44:05
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i mean no offence or anything in a bad way its just nice to see people actually help each other out 90% of the guys in my ls (not the new members yet) can even vouch for me, i do everything to help when i can hell i gave a friend ive known for 3 years 30 100s to speed up his relic and got set back on mine. will he repay me he said he would but only time will tell now tbh.

if he doesnt well leason learned dont trust anyone uve known for years cause in the end they can **** u 2.

but i trust my friends and i know as i start to come closer to ending my apoc hes gonna pull through with the 30 i lend him.
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By Carbuncle.Crollion 2012-01-13 12:47:25
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currency on carb isnt like it was on gilga some cheper some more priced before i use to see 11-13 for t shells and bronze 5Kish bynes.

now its like 7-8 t and bynes 8-9 bronze.


hell i aint complaining been wanting a apoc for 6 years and reaching a end point to it finally lmao
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By Ragnarok.Unctgtg 2012-01-13 13:32:26
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When I did my relic 6 years ago currency was 5mil a 100 piece.
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By Lakshmi.Neboh 2012-01-13 14:16:09
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Prolly back when you actually heard of 64 ppl in a zone.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-13 14:18:39
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Lakshmi.Neboh said: »
Prolly back when you actually heard of 64 ppl in a zone.


While farming my Apoc we actually did a LS team up and had 66 people show up. 2 couldn't enter lol.
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By Ragnarok.Unctgtg 2012-01-13 15:43:04
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My LS years ago had 45+ for two years straight at every dynamis.
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By Blazed1979 2012-01-13 19:54:50
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lag city. good times.
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By Asura.Arkanethered 2012-01-13 20:07:21
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Yea I had a couple cities with 60+... Insane ***.
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By Lakshmi.Neboh 2012-01-14 18:09:27
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Yeah best runs were where we cleared cities and after had an hour left remaining. Took pictures for the LS at different spots. Hehe good times.
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By Phoenix.Urteil 2012-01-14 18:49:25
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Carbuncle.Crollion said: »
man i gotta come over to rag lol if u guys toss out loans like nothing jesus i had to pull teeth just to get my LS mates to loan me the final 30 100s for when im ready.

but then again im 6/70 on final stage pretty much solo so i cant complain really the closer i get the more excited i get to finishing this weapon :)

Your LS sucks ***.
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By Blazed1979 2012-01-16 04:46:01
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what's a good entropy set look like?
I pretty much just use my cato set since its got INT incorporated into it where I don't have decent str/atk options.
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