You said it was 2%.
Wouldn't Mirke body give more than that 9.5% Fast Cast reduction though?
Fast Cast And Recast On Utsu
Fast Cast and Recast on Utsu
You said it was 2%.
Wouldn't Mirke body give more than that 9.5% Fast Cast reduction though?
Katana isn't really practical as you lose tp by swapping weapon, and it's a vastly inferior DD option. It's fine if you're not doing any sort of DDing or are doing something that strips your shadows constantly and you simply can't get hit though I suppose.
Yea the katana is definitely situational, Back tanking type content comes to mind, if there is any of that anymore.
I still break it out from time to time for the hell of it. Biggest chunk of fast cast we can put on.
Edit: nice back item maya, something to look at for /rdm'ing it up ;p
Also I got the Athos number from the item comments here, so not sure if that is accurate. It is still at very least the next best if you have your Anwig tied up somewhere else. I doubt it is 10%+ RDMs would have a hissy fit lol.
I still break it out from time to time for the hell of it. Biggest chunk of fast cast we can put on.
Edit: nice back item maya, something to look at for /rdm'ing it up ;p
Also I got the Athos number from the item comments here, so not sure if that is accurate. It is still at very least the next best if you have your Anwig tied up somewhere else. I doubt it is 10%+ RDMs would have a hissy fit lol.
Leviathan.Draugo said: »
oh lol....
Roger that, Stack as much as you can, and even as /rdm get haste on and marches. That is ridiculously low recast on utsu :ni.
Can RDMs get under 10 seconds on it?
Quick math skills say to me
IF you can hit 80% reduction, that is a 9 second :ni and a 6 second :ichi.
~57% as stated earlier, add in marches 7.5% Advancing? and 12.5% Victory? Potentially can put ninja at 77%? possible more if the BRD is sick nasty?
So from what I can tell NIN if you are going all out regardless of subjob and buffs should shoot for something like this?
Precast:
Only the Fast cast items being relevant, the other slots can be geared towards haste or evasion or spell interrupt gear.
and then this for a midcast:
Roger that, Stack as much as you can, and even as /rdm get haste on and marches. That is ridiculously low recast on utsu :ni.
Can RDMs get under 10 seconds on it?
Quick math skills say to me
IF you can hit 80% reduction, that is a 9 second :ni and a 6 second :ichi.
~57% as stated earlier, add in marches 7.5% Advancing? and 12.5% Victory? Potentially can put ninja at 77%? possible more if the BRD is sick nasty?
So from what I can tell NIN if you are going all out regardless of subjob and buffs should shoot for something like this?
Precast:
Only the Fast cast items being relevant, the other slots can be geared towards haste or evasion or spell interrupt gear.
and then this for a midcast:
Good sets, I guess this is where Athos hat could situationally be better. Change the pants to Iga Hakama and the hat to Athos and you would get a slightly better overall reduction. Whether that change will reduce your timer by a second is questionable though. Unless Haidate are augmented with something, not familiar with those augments.
Leviathan.Draugo said: »
I think that is the optimal set, aside from the warlock back while you are /rdm, Nice thing is it only has to overwrite 3 items once you have started casting.
Edit: Athos head and Iga legs would result in 4% less haste (3% less recast reduction) and ~3% slower casting time.
edit2: NAh haidate just made the magic number, I suppose any combo of haste would work as long as you hit 26% and don't mess w/ Mirke, and Iga Feet.
Edit: HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, previous post would only be relevant for non utsu stuff. lol Sugested a set based on suzaku feet >_>
Athos's Chapeau has 5% Haste and Fast Cast on it.
Removing Iga Hat -6% and Byakko Haidate -5%. Loss of 11%.
Changing to Athos's Chapeau 5%, and Iga Legs 7%. Return of 12%. With whatever Fast Cast reduction provided by Athos's Chapeau.
So unless your Byakko's are augmented with some Fast Cast, should get slightly better time with Athos.
Removing Iga Hat -6% and Byakko Haidate -5%. Loss of 11%.
Changing to Athos's Chapeau 5%, and Iga Legs 7%. Return of 12%. With whatever Fast Cast reduction provided by Athos's Chapeau.
So unless your Byakko's are augmented with some Fast Cast, should get slightly better time with Athos.
lol
Now that we have Utsu pretty much hashed out, What about Migawari!?!?!?
Now that we have Utsu pretty much hashed out, What about Migawari!?!?!?
Yeah I know, my mind was focused on recast reduction and I overlooked the most important piece. lol
I am so close to those 2 sets it is making me sick. Just need Good augment on Sune-Ate, Re-do my Anwig, Get the hands (I know, bad ninja!) and get 1% higher jeweled collar than I already have.
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Athos's Chapeau has 5% Haste and Fast Cast on it.
Removing Iga Hat -6% and Byakko Haidate -5%. Loss of 11%.
Changing to Athos's Chapeau 5%, and Iga Legs 7%. Return of 12%. With whatever Fast Cast reduction provided by Athos's Chapeau.
So unless your Byakko's are augmented with some Fast Cast, should get slightly better time with Athos.
Removing Iga Hat -6% and Byakko Haidate -5%. Loss of 11%.
Changing to Athos's Chapeau 5%, and Iga Legs 7%. Return of 12%. With whatever Fast Cast reduction provided by Athos's Chapeau.
So unless your Byakko's are augmented with some Fast Cast, should get slightly better time with Athos.
I see, better recast, maybe ~3% slower cast time than Anwig (if the wiki is right, sorry for the misinformation.) I didn't see 5% haste on that bad boy, I suppose it will be Anwig for me for a while, don't do much voidwrought right now. But if I do get the green hat, can turn my anwig into something else I guess.
Is there a casting time cap? OR are we no where near having to worry about it if there is?
Since a few updates ago the casting time reduction cap was raised to 80%.
Damn nice, so here is a set, one less item swap for midcast, and some evasion to boot!
Pre:
Mid:
lol
I need to get that warlock back sometime.
Still skeptical about the jeweled collar, It might be that at most after I begin casting I only have time for 2 items to roll into equipment and still have an effect on the spell, and I just tacked the line onto the end of the macro I previously posted. But I should have seen an effect on my :ichi macro at least.
Still doesn't explain why I ended up gaining seconds either though as opposed to staying identical from the macro w/o it. Is there a glitch on the beads? that actually helps recast as well? I will have to mess with it some more tonight. I have seen every now and then during lag spikes in general a little bit higher recast than I am used to as well. Just so odd.
Pre:
Mid:
lol
I need to get that warlock back sometime.
Still skeptical about the jeweled collar, It might be that at most after I begin casting I only have time for 2 items to roll into equipment and still have an effect on the spell, and I just tacked the line onto the end of the macro I previously posted. But I should have seen an effect on my :ichi macro at least.
Still doesn't explain why I ended up gaining seconds either though as opposed to staying identical from the macro w/o it. Is there a glitch on the beads? that actually helps recast as well? I will have to mess with it some more tonight. I have seen every now and then during lag spikes in general a little bit higher recast than I am used to as well. Just so odd.
This is what I'm using atm
Precast
Endcast Ni
Suzaku's if it's not Utsusemi
Tested if Jeweled collar would do anything with FC+3 and it didn't take off any time on my recast so meh
Here's my script macro for Utsu: Ni
input /equip neck "magoraga beads";
input /equip ear2 "loquac. earring";
input /equip body "mirke wardecors";
input /equip feet "suzaku's sune-ate";
input /equip ammo "impatiens";
input /equip head "athos's chapeau";
input /equip ring1 "prolix ring";
input /equip ring2 "alert ring";
input /equip waist "twilight belt";
input /equip back "boxer's mantle";
input /equip ear1 "novia earring";
input /equip hands "koga tekko +2";
input /equip legs "koga hakama +2";
input /ma "utsusemi: ni" <me>;
wait .6
input /equip legs "iga hakama +2";
input /equip waist "twilight belt";
input /equip neck "torero torque";
input /equip ring2 "dark ring";
input /equip back "mujin mantle";
input /equip feet "iga kyahan +2";
Don't know if that helps at all
Precast
Endcast Ni
Suzaku's if it's not Utsusemi
Tested if Jeweled collar would do anything with FC+3 and it didn't take off any time on my recast so meh
Here's my script macro for Utsu: Ni
input /equip neck "magoraga beads";
input /equip ear2 "loquac. earring";
input /equip body "mirke wardecors";
input /equip feet "suzaku's sune-ate";
input /equip ammo "impatiens";
input /equip head "athos's chapeau";
input /equip ring1 "prolix ring";
input /equip ring2 "alert ring";
input /equip waist "twilight belt";
input /equip back "boxer's mantle";
input /equip ear1 "novia earring";
input /equip hands "koga tekko +2";
input /equip legs "koga hakama +2";
input /ma "utsusemi: ni" <me>;
wait .6
input /equip legs "iga hakama +2";
input /equip waist "twilight belt";
input /equip neck "torero torque";
input /equip ring2 "dark ring";
input /equip back "mujin mantle";
input /equip feet "iga kyahan +2";
Don't know if that helps at all
It does ^^ can drop the jeweled collar now and have to only swap suzaku for Iga midcast, at a minimum, obviously can swap others if you can spare the space ^^.
You should try starting in suzu and ending in iga, give you just a little faster cast.
NVM you already do. Although even if it is not utsusemi, going back to Iga would give you about2.5% (you said haste +2% on your pair also, so only a .5%ish difference) better recast, if I am understanding today's conversation.
Report back what you find ;p
Edit: To be honest Generic, we are talking about levels of casting so fast I do not think there is any benefit to putting anything on over the bare minimum to reach this level of cast time and recast. I guess it cannot hurt, but if you are packing around some of those extra "mid-cast" type items for safety I personally think it is over kill.
I honestly cannot remember the last time I was interrupted trying to cast :ni or :ichi. Just seems to be casting way to fast. once you hit around 75% of your casting bar it is impossible to interrupt the last 25%. Just my 2 cents if you are trying to save on inventory.
NVM you already do. Although even if it is not utsusemi, going back to Iga would give you about
Report back what you find ;p
Edit: To be honest Generic, we are talking about levels of casting so fast I do not think there is any benefit to putting anything on over the bare minimum to reach this level of cast time and recast. I guess it cannot hurt, but if you are packing around some of those extra "mid-cast" type items for safety I personally think it is over kill.
I honestly cannot remember the last time I was interrupted trying to cast :ni or :ichi. Just seems to be casting way to fast. once you hit around 75% of your casting bar it is impossible to interrupt the last 25%. Just my 2 cents if you are trying to save on inventory.
Just did a fast test and I can absolutely confirm my initial assumption was correct.
"Fast Cast +#" does not affect recast, only cast time.
Casted w/ mirke on :29 :ni, casted w/o Mirke on :29 :ni.
Mythbusted!
"Fast Cast +#" does not affect recast, only cast time.
Casted w/ mirke on :29 :ni, casted w/o Mirke on :29 :ni.
Mythbusted!
2.5% of 37 is 0.925, so it's possible not get a full second off with 5% fast cast. A better test would be casting Reraise or Migawari with no haste/fc aside from the Mirke, and I can tell you from personal testing that you will see a reduction in those tests.
[+]
Noone did,does or will fast cast Utsu like Avesta :O he was a beast of eternal shadows!
Leviathan.Draugo said: »
Just did a fast test and I can absolutely confirm my initial assumption was correct.
"Fast Cast +#" does not affect recast, only cast time.
Casted w/ mirke on :29 :ni, casted w/o Mirke on :29 :ni.
Mythbusted!
"Fast Cast +#" does not affect recast, only cast time.
Casted w/ mirke on :29 :ni, casted w/o Mirke on :29 :ni.
Mythbusted!
Casted Utsusemi: Ni weakened naked 1:29
Casted Utsusemi: Ni weakened: Mirke (5) Suzaku's (3) 1:24
By the way, now that cap is 80% on recast, how godly is RDM at keeping up shadows?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but lowest recast you can get(whether obtainable or not) is now 6 seconds for Ichi and 9 seconds for Ni. That's pretty crazy.
15% recast reduction from trait.
15% from Haste.
25% from gear.(Maybe? If it doesn't clash with Fast Cast gear)
~15% from Fast Cast gear.
~70% without marches. 9 second Ichi and 14 second Ni.
Don't mean to hijack the NIN thread, just marveling at how crazy increasing that cap seems.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but lowest recast you can get(whether obtainable or not) is now 6 seconds for Ichi and 9 seconds for Ni. That's pretty crazy.
15% recast reduction from trait.
15% from Haste.
25% from gear.(Maybe? If it doesn't clash with Fast Cast gear)
~15% from Fast Cast gear.
~70% without marches. 9 second Ichi and 14 second Ni.
Don't mean to hijack the NIN thread, just marveling at how crazy increasing that cap seems.
Just make friends with a Gjall BRD (Shaddix)
I gets 12sec recast on my Ni D:
I gets 12sec recast on my Ni D:
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
By the way, now that cap is 80% on recast, how godly is RDM at keeping up shadows?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but lowest recast you can get(whether obtainable or not) is now 6 seconds for Ichi and 9 seconds for Ni. That's pretty crazy.
15% recast reduction from trait.
15% from Haste.
25% from gear.(Maybe? If it doesn't clash with Fast Cast gear)
~15% from Fast Cast gear.
~70% without marches. 9 second Ichi and 14 second Ni.
Don't mean to hijack the NIN thread, just marveling at how crazy increasing that cap seems.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but lowest recast you can get(whether obtainable or not) is now 6 seconds for Ichi and 9 seconds for Ni. That's pretty crazy.
15% recast reduction from trait.
15% from Haste.
25% from gear.(Maybe? If it doesn't clash with Fast Cast gear)
~15% from Fast Cast gear.
~70% without marches. 9 second Ichi and 14 second Ni.
Don't mean to hijack the NIN thread, just marveling at how crazy increasing that cap seems.
There is no such thing like 80% recast cap, thats cast time, recast still cap @ 50.
Ragnarok.Jajabiondina said: »
There is no such thing like 80% recast cap, thats cast time, recast still cap @ 50.
Can you provide some link plz? missed that one
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