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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2011-12-16 16:29:57
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so this is from lolwiki. and says whos there and what they are doing. for the most part.
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By Bismarck.Cicada 2011-12-16 16:33:42
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Thanks! I just briefly skim read the names lol didn't want to spoil it. :P
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2011-12-18 14:12:34
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Shiva.Gib said: »
I don't understand the hate toward 12, while I was agree it has one of the weakest storylines in a main FF game, but gameplay wise it rocked, I loved how the game was totally wide open.

The award for weakest storyline is still held by FFV.

Exdeath was the worst villain I can recall in all FF games and probably could give other RPGs a run for their money. The mediocrity was quite amazing even for its time. Exdeath however was offset by the job system which was equally amazing and for good reasons.

I think the only person I gave two-shits about in V was Galuf. The rest of the cast might have well been amoebas.

XII had a strong start but we can see that it was an unfinished project, the pacing was kinda off, too little character development for Fran, Vaan and Penelo and the inter-changeability of each character made them too vanilla in combat. And then there's the whole thing about being way too close to Star Wars.

I was waiting for a line rip of " Now witness the firepower of this fully operational battlestation" or Tarkin's "You may fire when ready".

Other than that? The story was a fresh change of pace, the races of Ivalice are fun and engaging (Bangaa!), you're free to explore the world and do sidequests almost from the outset and the landscapes were beautiful and crisp for lolPS2.

I stand by my position that SE should invest more in the Ivalice alliance.
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By Artemicion 2011-12-18 14:19:00
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Shiva.Gib said: »
I don't understand the hate toward 12, while I was agree it has one of the weakest storylines in a main FF game, but gameplay wise it rocked, I loved how the game was totally wide open.

The award for weakest storyline is still held by FFV.

Exdeath was the worst villain I can recall in all FF games and probably could give other RPGs a run for their money. The mediocrity was quite amazing even for its time. Exdeath however was offset by the job system which was equally amazing and for good reasons.

I think the only person I gave two-shits about in V was Galuf. The rest of the cast might have well been amoebas.

XII had a strong start but we can see that it was an unfinished project, the pacing was kinda off, too little character development for Fran, Vaan and Penelo and the inter-changeability of each character made them too vanilla in combat. And then there's the whole thing about being way too close to Star Wars.

I was waiting for a line rip of " Now witness the firepower of this fully operational battlestation" or Tarkin's "You may fire when ready".

Other than that? The story was a fresh change of pace, the races of Ivalice are fun and engaging (Bangaa!), you're free to explore the world and do sidequests almost from the outset and the landscapes were beautiful and crisp for lolPS2.

I stand by my position that SE should invest more in the Ivalice alliance.

You've pretty much said everything in great detail as to why I both loved and was disappointed by XII, yet still find it to be one of my favorites among the franchise. Thank you for saying what I couldn't earlier.
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By Lakshmi.Mineyl 2011-12-18 14:57:10
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
The award for weakest storyline is still held by FFV.

Exdeath was the worst villain I can recall in all FF games and probably could give other RPGs a run for their money. The mediocrity was quite amazing even for its time. Exdeath however was offset by the job system which was equally amazing and for good reasons.
You really think that FF5's plot is worse than that of the original three FFs?

Even though the FF5 characters were all blank slates as far as their abilities went, they were still actual characters with emotions and dialogue...unlike FF1 and FF3's nameless protagonists. Considering the three characters that are permanent members of your party in FF2 have no development or actual impact on the story outside of what they do as a collective group (that is, the same exact thing any RPG party does as it strives toward its goal), I daresay that they're about as forgettable as the nameless ones, as well. Only Leon and the temps were of any actual interest, and if you've played the game, you know what happens to most of them, so...

On the subject of Exdeath, though...I have a hard time getting behind the argument that he was a trash villain when he pulled off the majority of his goals so well. He didn't just sit on a comfortable little throne like Chaos, the Emperor, the Cloud of Darkness, and Zemus: Exdeath was proactive and had quite a bit of interaction with your party as he went about his business. This trait is one of the things that makes Golbez, Kefka, Sephiroth, and Kuja great villains, as well: the player witnesses their actions firsthand and sees the actual negative impact they make on the world around them. They do a much better job at making the player hate them, and isn't that what we generally want in a rotten-to-the-core villain?
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By Bahamut.Mizuharu 2011-12-18 15:32:22
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Not sure if it was mentioned, but that chocobo theme in the first post only plays for one chocobo.

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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2011-12-18 15:56:25
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I love III, but the story was as generic as it could possibly get.
- Start game
- You're a chosen warrior.
- find 3 other warriors.
- find old people that'll help you save the world. (from Darkness! Why? Because darkness is bad! Very bad!)
- save the world in the most generic way possible.
- yay.

I WISH I could say there was more between those lines but there isn't, lol. I haven't touched V yet but if it gets simpler than that...


Bahamut.Mizuharu said: »
Not sure if it was mentioned, but that chocobo theme in the first post only plays for one chocobo.


As most FF songs are, I'm sure it'll catch on, but hearing it for the first time is like "wat."

I've never really had a problem with any FF's music.
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By Artemicion 2011-12-18 16:00:56
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It's mentioned in III that your purpose is to restore balance between light and darkness, and at the time the world is shrouded in darkness, hence being the warriors of light to restore balance.

But what I think would be interesting is an imbalance of light overclouding everything and having warriors of dark bring about a necessary degree of chaos to assure planetary function and balance.
Too often the objective is predictable and catered to one angle or approach of what is good and bad.

It's like what Squall said in FFVIII: There's no absolute in determining what is good and evil, simply different viewpoints and courses of action in what they believe is right.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2011-12-18 20:31:07
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Lakshmi.Mineyl said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
The award for weakest storyline is still held by FFV.

Exdeath was the worst villain I can recall in all FF games and probably could give other RPGs a run for their money. The mediocrity was quite amazing even for its time. Exdeath however was offset by the job system which was equally amazing and for good reasons.
You really think that FF5's plot is worse than that of the original three FFs?

Even though the FF5 characters were all blank slates as far as their abilities went, they were still actual characters with emotions and dialogue...unlike FF1 and FF3's nameless protagonists. Considering the three characters that are permanent members of your party in FF2 have no development or actual impact on the story outside of what they do as a collective group (that is, the same exact thing any RPG party does as it strives toward its goal), I daresay that they're about as forgettable as the nameless ones, as well. Only Leon and the temps were of any actual interest, and if you've played the game, you know what happens to most of them, so...

On the subject of Exdeath, though...I have a hard time getting behind the argument that he was a trash villain when he pulled off the majority of his goals so well. He didn't just sit on a comfortable little throne like Chaos, the Emperor, the Cloud of Darkness, and Zemus: Exdeath was proactive and had quite a bit of interaction with your party as he went about his business. This trait is one of the things that makes Golbez, Kefka, Sephiroth, and Kuja great villains, as well: the player witnesses their actions firsthand and sees the actual negative impact they make on the world around them. They do a much better job at making the player hate them, and isn't that what we generally want in a rotten-to-the-core villain?

Honestly Final Fantasy doesn't start for me until 4. Yeah it's blasphemy to the diehard RPG fans and I understand the significance the success of the originals had on the following titles but you could play through I-III and literally get nothing out of it other than a good nostaliga trip. This is opinion of course.

IV is what started the formula I think most of us love/hate. You had a villain, an ensemble of characters gathered to fight against said evil and while IV had a ton of cliches (what FF doesnt?) and the cast drove the story whereas V had a formula involving some rather unremarkable individuals who get very little room to develop. Cecil, Rosa, Kain, Golbez and even the four fiends had more depth than anything Exdeath brought to the table. He was the big bad and that's about it - his motives were summed up as "im evil, deal with it!"

Exdeath harkens back to the I-III days of FF.

This isn't to say that V didn't have merit but it certainly wasn't because of the villain. The two most memorable people from that title are Gilgamesh - a joke character/henchman who stuck with you because of his dialogue and Galuf who took one for the team years before anyone knew about that Gainsborough chick.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2011-12-18 20:35:33
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Ramuh.Haseyo said: »
I've never really had a problem with any FF's music.

I recall people throwing fits of rage when this happened:



Personally? I just had a confused look listening to this.
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2011-12-18 20:42:45
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As a fan of J-pop, that didn't bother me one bit. It would throw others off when one of the last songs of the previous installment of that series was Otherworld, haha.
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By Sylph.Jrpg 2011-12-19 00:34:14
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I only made it halfway through FFXII, but...is it just me, or is Balthier one of the best FF characters SE has made in a long time? He stood out the most to me.

And speaking of FFXIII-2, most of the endings have been uncovered now by JP players. The one that's described as the "true" ending has everyone raging apparently. Could just be that it's really a "bad" ending. Still far from being sold on it.
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By Cerberus.Rayik 2011-12-19 06:31:13
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Lakshmi.Mineyl said: »
You really think that FF5's plot is worse than that of the original three FFs?

Even though the FF5 characters were all blank slates as far as their abilities went, they were still actual characters with emotions and dialogue...unlike FF1 and FF3's nameless protagonists...

See, this is one reason I loved FF1 so much. You made your own characters, chose jobs, gave them names, etc. You weren't sitting back watching someone else's story, you projected your character(s) into the story, like we did in FFXI. I get much more involved when it's my character who's life is on the line, rather than having a character pushed on me I may or may not end up liking.

I get much more involved in rpg's when I get to create my character myself. When you're given a pre-made character to play, there's always the chance you aren't going to like them, and that can eclipse an otherwise good game if you can't get involved or interested. Case in point, I enjoyed the characters from FFIV and FFVI, I hated all the cast from XIII. XIII might have been an amazing game if I could stomach the dialogue or gave two shits about what happened to the protagonists.

If I don't like the character, I simply have a lot of trouble getting into the game.
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By Lakshmi.Mineyl 2011-12-19 15:33:29
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Cerberus.Rayik said: »
See, this is one reason I loved FF1 so much. You made your own characters, chose jobs, gave them names, etc.
Oh, I hope you don't think I was hating on this style of RPG or anything! I actually fully agree with you. I simply had to argue against the accusation that FF5's cast "might as well have been amoebas."
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By Phoenix.Vael 2011-12-19 19:21:16
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I wish games like FFXII were forever.
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By Phoenix.Vael 2011-12-19 20:49:44
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It's the principle. It's just another thing to add to the list of evidence that SE doesn't understand its fans and will continue to make sub-par gaming experiences.

I want to show people why I'm a fan of this franchise and its developer. I don't want to be embarrassed when someone has to witness the kitschy, cutesy, convoluted dialogue and storytelling in cutscenes. There is no JRPG humour or quirkiness left in these games - something that is typically understandable or at the very least forgivable given the game's other merits. Characters like Cait Sith in VII can be described best with simply a "lol, wtf?" from people who aren't familiar with the games. The same can't be said about characters that shout and cry about being a hero - what the hell does that even mean? Even given the context of the story, what heroic archetype is this character supposed to be referencing? There was no lore or back story within the game to even begin to understand what this character is supposed to be identifying himself with. The storytelling is empty, vague at best. The games are filled with characters that you couldn't care less about because they don't have any purpose - something that is compounded by Tetsuya Nomura's typical anime character design. Something that started as a joke about a spiky-haired protagonist (even referenced in-game, for good comedic effect) is now just apparent in every character in these games - a fantasy game doesn't have to include arbitrary fashion in their character models. What does that dress signify? Why is it relevant in this world you've created (or failed to create, to be precise).

Don't take these examples completely literally; the examples themselves are all minor and simply hint at the failing of the immersive experience of the RPG. Its universe, its characters, and its story. All are half-built and hardly worthwhile, definitely not memorable.
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2011-12-22 09:49:44
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Apparently if you play on xbox you will get a bow for sarah or something, what I want to know is wth is she wearing? O.o



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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2011-12-22 09:52:55
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It's not Xbox (unless it is, which would be strange), it's pre-ordering from Gamestop. You get an alt for Serah + Genji Bow.

Pre-ordering from Amazon gives you an Omega fight. I kinda want Omega (not sure if he can be in your party after or not) but....that Genji bow...



Genji Bow is only for Power-Up Reward members though. If you aren't one already, then consider it $15 DLC, heh. I've been one for years so I'm good. This weapon attacks really fast from what they said so I'm probably gonna go with this rather than Amazon. Plus I hate ordering stuff, I wanna pick up my copy hands on.

Well I'm not even sure about Omega in NA anymore.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_XIII-2_Downloadable_Content

I dunno who gets what anymore. I'm gonna just get the Genji Bow to be safe as I know that's confirmed >_>
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2011-12-22 10:00:27
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DLC trailer~
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By Bismarck.Cicada 2011-12-22 10:08:02
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I like Serah's costume.. and bikini's! but Noel's looks awkward >_>

Edit: Are we getting Noel's Assassin's creed costume over here? (sorry if someone posted it before..)
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2011-12-22 10:10:26
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Yeah I don't like Noel's that much either. I don't know which region gets what though. I hate when SE does this ***. Just give the same stuff to everyone.
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By Valefor.Fmaxgluttony 2012-01-11 01:02:26
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just played the demo the game is going to be worth it was very fun during my play through.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-01-11 01:16:20
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is the demo on psn?
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-01-11 01:32:10
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yes
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-01-11 01:38:46
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also i pre-ordered the game from all three places here in NA xD gonna return 2 of course >.>
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kouryuu 2012-01-11 01:55:41
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
is the demo on psn?

I just looked everywhere for this and could not find it.
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-01-11 01:58:22
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its there.. u looking in the right place? xD
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kouryuu 2012-01-11 02:04:28
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Done a search under all things Final Fantasy, new demos etc etc the usual stuff, no joy.
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