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 Valefor.Flameblade
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By Valefor.Flameblade 2011-09-17 22:11:48
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So I've been watching blu solo videos and it seems an evasion set could be very beneficial, I'm not too sure if this is true or not, I'm kind of a set freak XD is it worth the trouble or not? I currently have like 0 evasion gear towards it but I can start in my free time ^^ lemme know with your feed back, maybe some sets of your own would be greatly appreciated ^^
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-09-17 22:14:23
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Yes it is worth the trouble, very valuable set.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-09-18 13:22:12
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Just a question regarding this, which set do you replace to get room for eva stuff during solos? mab gear?
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-09-18 13:31:07
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I normally replace my PDT or MDT set, whichever isn't needed, mostly PDT. Either that or my AGI set for BT.
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By Asura.Atilas 2011-09-19 06:35:55
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Evasion blu worth it. Here is my simple EVA set:

Dual AGI Shamshir +2
Wivre mask (versus emperor airpin with no defense)
Evasion torque
Dual triton earring
Derobade mittens
Heed ring
Alert ring
Boxer mantle
Sveltesse gouriz
Alcide's subligar (or ocelot if can get)
BLU AF1 feet

I usualy prefer eva gear with defense since occultation can let some damage pass from time to time. Also prefer gear "evasion skill" before "evasion" since BLU is low in natural skill at start. I also prefer to keep BLU AF3 +2 on on my evasion set since i find +2 mp per tick more valuable. Occultation + screwdriver give you another +10 evasion.
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-09-19 07:25:56
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Asura.Atilas said: »
Evasion blu worth it. Here is my simple EVA set:

Dual AGI Shamshir +2
Wivre mask (versus emperor airpin with no defense)
Evasion torque
Dual triton earring
Derobade mittens
Heed ring
Alert ring
Boxer mantle
Sveltesse gouriz
Alcide's subligar (or ocelot if can get)
BLU AF1 feet

I usualy prefer eva gear with defense since occultation can let some damage pass from time to time. Also prefer gear "evasion skill" before "evasion" since BLU is low in natural skill at start. I also prefer to keep BLU AF3 +2 on on my evasion set since i find +2 mp per tick more valuable. Occultation + screwdriver give you another +10 evasion.
fyi, evasion skill is never better (point for point) than evasion stat.
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By seiri 2011-09-19 07:30:04
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What i use:

Dual eva shamshir
Fugacity beret
Torero torque
dual triton earring
mirke.
derobade
dual stormsoul rings
ocelot
boxers
magus feet
sveltesse gouriz

If I'm going to be using the eva set a lot I would always ALWAYS be /nin, so occultation failures are much less of an issue.

Also, be sure to set warm up and evasion bonus trait. Fairly cheap but effective.
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By seiri 2011-09-19 07:31:17
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Phoenix.Kirana said: »
Asura.Atilas said: »
Evasion blu worth it. Here is my simple EVA set:

Dual AGI Shamshir +2
Wivre mask (versus emperor airpin with no defense)
Evasion torque
Dual triton earring
Derobade mittens
Heed ring
Alert ring
Boxer mantle
Sveltesse gouriz
Alcide's subligar (or ocelot if can get)
BLU AF1 feet

I usualy prefer eva gear with defense since occultation can let some damage pass from time to time. Also prefer gear "evasion skill" before "evasion" since BLU is low in natural skill at start. I also prefer to keep BLU AF3 +2 on on my evasion set since i find +2 mp per tick more valuable. Occultation + screwdriver give you another +10 evasion.
fyi, evasion skill is never better (point for point) than evasion stat.

This, and blu eva skill is already above the point where eva skill is even EQUAL. At 90 its actually slightly worse, point for point, that pure evasion.

Edit: The effect of defence in small amounts will do pretty much *** all. The 1.5 eva from the agi on emp. hairpin will usually do more for u than the def on wivre mask NQ.
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By Asura.Atilas 2011-09-20 06:17:08
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seiri said: »
Phoenix.Kirana said: »


fyi, evasion skill is never better (point for point) than evasion stat.

This, and blu eva skill is already above the point where eva skill is even EQUAL. At 90 its actually slightly worse, point for point, that pure evasion.

Edit: The effect of defence in small amounts will do pretty much *** all. The 1.5 eva from the agi on emp. hairpin will usually do more for u than the def on wivre mask NQ.

i have heard different thing on Evasion skill Versus Evasion. Like 1 evasion equal 0.9 evasion skill. But i also read some test were people reporting evasion skill raise your base evasion based on your level versus level of the enemy, then evasion is stacked on top. This changing the effectivement when fighting easy prey versus IT.

As for defense, i usualy use cocoon and taco when paired with occultation + utsusemi. There the 20 defense amount is almost double.

This is not the pimped evasion set, but i feel comfortable using it and it serve me well.
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By Cerberus.Caius 2011-09-29 23:38:28
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I'm like the starter of this post, i dont have an evasion set ive thought of making one but just havent really put the time into it as of yet.

Now my curious question is....since it seems these sets pretty much use every slot available what kind of functionality do they have? I mean is this macro ins for shadows being down, full timing it? Seems all haste is being lost? Do you full time it and spell spam without gear changes? its kind of a sad question, but like i said i dont have one i just keep seeing people talking about blu soloing everything and makes me think i missing out on a lot of stuff.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-09-29 23:42:34
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I mainly use mine when I am holding something or need to get shadows up. Some fights I full time it but that is mostly soloing.
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By Leviathan.Lavid 2011-09-30 02:01:42
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just like kvazz asked how do people manage to carry all these sets. I mean ive always tried to have extra pieces to get the most out of what i'm trying to do, but its getting kinda crazy. If I throw an evasion set in there somethings gotta give. How do people prioritize what to take out? extra mnd pieces for cures, extra pieces for individual spells with singular stats mods, mab/int/mnd for magic/sanguine blade use, or pdt/mdt lol.

Guess its just a matter of gearing for what you think your gonna be doing at the time and pray you dont need the stuff you leave behind.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-09-30 10:41:02
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Leviathan.Lavid said: »
just like kvazz asked how do people manage to carry all these sets. I mean ive always tried to have extra pieces to get the most out of what i'm trying to do, but its getting kinda crazy. If I throw an evasion set in there somethings gotta give. How do people prioritize what to take out? extra mnd pieces for cures, extra pieces for individual spells with singular stats mods, mab/int/mnd for magic/sanguine blade use, or pdt/mdt lol.

Guess its just a matter of gearing for what you think your gonna be doing at the time and pray you dont need the stuff you leave behind.
With satchel and sack you shouldn't ever leave anything behind. You might find yourself without gear in your inventory but it's best to organize your gear in to certain sets so you can quickly put away what is not needed and get out what is. For example, if few pieces of gear are only used for one thing, I keep them next to each other in little grouped sets. I keep food, tools and meds put away and only pop them out when I need to use them or when the mob I'm fighting requires heavy use ie echos or holywater.

Examining your gear to see what really gets used, how often and in what sets can help you figure out how to make the most of your 80 inventory.

Sometimes you just have to take minor hits by downgrading from optimal gear to "pretty good" gear that has more than one use. I only recommend doing this for side stuff, not tp, ws or primary spell casting gear.

If you use spellcast, you can also set certain groups based on what you do or don't have out to optimize it.

I only have mab and int gear out when using charged whisker since I rarely use sanguine. I only have eva gear out when I'm going to be tanking or fighting something it will help with. I usually don't have curing sets out unless I know I'll be healing a lot which is rare. Even doing this, you'll find it hard to manage... I'm consistently 78/80.
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By Bahamut.Dannyl 2011-09-30 16:57:59
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Was kind of bored and made this:



Anything better out there? Suggestions? replacements?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-09-30 17:04:29
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This works. The new Haste+EVA belt is a nice piece too, the chakram above is better than Fenrir's too.

Application-wise, it can be used to tank most Scars, Visions and olde 75 content (if you have a decent healer you really shouldn't be worried about that though). The major reasons I keep mine around are solo and whisker burning.
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-09-30 17:09:41
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Asura.Atilas said: »
seiri said: »
Phoenix.Kirana said: »


fyi, evasion skill is never better (point for point) than evasion stat.

This, and blu eva skill is already above the point where eva skill is even EQUAL. At 90 its actually slightly worse, point for point, that pure evasion.

Edit: The effect of defence in small amounts will do pretty much *** all. The 1.5 eva from the agi on emp. hairpin will usually do more for u than the def on wivre mask NQ.

i have heard different thing on Evasion skill Versus Evasion. Like 1 evasion equal 0.9 evasion skill. But i also read some test were people reporting evasion skill raise your base evasion based on your level versus level of the enemy, then evasion is stacked on top. This changing the effectivement when fighting easy prey versus IT.

As for defense, i usualy use cocoon and taco when paired with occultation + utsusemi. There the 20 defense amount is almost double.

This is not the pimped evasion set, but i feel comfortable using it and it serve me well.
The base hit rate is 75% (attacker and defender are the same level, and accuracy = evasion). Every point of difference between acc and eva equates to a 0.5% difference in hit rate. Every level of difference equates to a 4 acc/eva difference (or 2% hit rate). 1 point of evasion skill = 1 point of evasion IF evasion skill is under 200. 1 point of evasion skill = 0.9 evasion IF evasion skill is above 200. This means that for every 10 evasion skill you add above 200, you will get only 9 evasion.

Additional note: hit rate floors at 20% and caps at 95%. To floor the attacker's hit rate, you must have 110 (55 x 2) evasion above the attacker's accuracy (after accounting for level correction). To cap your hit rate, you must have only 40 accuracy above the defender's evasion (after level correction).
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-09-30 17:14:46
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Should only be wearing Magus Charuqs in terms of evasion skill simply because there's not really anything better. Boxer's is replaced by Fugacity mantle... if you can get a hold of one. On Valefor, it's kinda rare.


It's worth noting that Spiral Spin and Auroral Drape are a massive difference maker in some situations, mostly Drape adding an astounding -60 accuracy blind. Sandspin would be preferable over Spiral Spin as its Accuracy Down effect is stronger, but the effects procs so rarely.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-10-07 03:25:27
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »


This works. The new Haste+EVA belt is a nice piece too, the chakram above is better than Fenrir's too.

Application-wise, it can be used to tank most Scars, Visions and olde 75 content (if you have a decent healer you really shouldn't be worried about that though). The major reasons I keep mine around are solo and whisker burning.

Novia earring + phrygian earring +1(never seen one made or on AH though lol) would get more eva. Thought Fugacity was better but they seem to be about equal with fugacity giving -1% pdt, so I guess whichever is cheaper.
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