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This topic is a mess. Even if they drop PS2 support the most we'll get in the foreseeable future is increased macro capability and full autotranslate support. Anyone crying over "no real expansion for 4 years/reskinned-x/I-want-y-and-I'm-going-to-***-until-I-get-it" is missing the point. SE isn't about to come out and say "we can't remake the game/make an entire new continent/give you a pony because it's not economically feasible" when they can instead say "lolPS2 limitations". Get it? It is and has always been a cheap excuse (ie LIE) for most things people want.


Yes. FFXIV has been DOA for over a year now, and all the money in the world they can sink into it will never bring it around. The only thing they have to play with is one key demographic: non-PC users. To quote Tycho@PA because I couldn't put it better myself:


In short, the only thing SE has left to tap in to in a nearly saturated MMO market are people who as of yet cannot play an MMO. It might very well come down to deciding that XI is simply a better candidate than the failed abortion called XIV. Releasing both of them would just be diluting their own market share, since as of yet they're the only MMO that exists outside of the PC.

This post wins the thread.

if i remember correctly the glitch was how the game files downloaded/installed. something like when you dl an update the old files didnt get over written so the old files would stay on the hdd along with the new files. i didnt really pay much attention to it since i only use my 360 as a back up system for when somethinig happens to my pc or if i wanna play ffxi at a friends house.

I don't understand how people don't get the damn point: There's a reason Everquest and EVE Online still get graphical and system upgrades: PCs get better with time, PS2 stays the same.

10 years from now we're going to be bitching about FFXIV on the PS3.

XIV was built with windows in mind.

That's a pretty big assumption, chief.

That's true, plus consoles these days have more flexibility as far as improvements go. Still, there is going to be a limitation in the console version someday. Though it might outlast the PS2's FFXI lifespan at any rate.

I wish I had numbers because I'd give you them. Hell, I'd have my own if they didn't disable global searching like a year ago. Though that alone speaks volumes more than actual numbers ever could. I really don't care to argue about this. When FFXIV turns around, I'll be sure to eat my words, and believe me when I say I'm readily anticipating this day[/sarcasm].

hey guys what's a partition

if you've got some desire to understand why it's not as simple as space remaining on your hard drive, go back and read some of the previous threads on the subject

There are a lot of players currently playing and enjoying the new content. As was evident the last time I logged in with the amount of shouts and general population.

Every week or so there's a letter from the producer. If the game was in fact losing customers from this endeavour, I'm fairly sure they would have stopped working on this game months ago. Each new update improves things and brings people back to play, It's evident from any XIV players you speak to that the game has been getting more populated with each successful update.

They are listening to the players and making changes that the players want, which isn't exactly like every MMO I can think of right now. It just sounds pretty juvenile when every XI fan jumps on the "OMG XIV IS DEAD" bandwagon.

xiv is dead omgomg

I respect your opinion sir

ffxi is bringing them down

they need to bring back tetra master if they expect to make any more money with this

and then slowly but surely get rid of the wound thats been slowing them down so much known as ffxi

But I'm not a FFXI fan. I mean really, I could say the same of any "FFXIV fan" defending it. You're right, this isn't a playground, and I just don't care enough to even try.

The reason XIV wasn't canned 8 months ago is because it's a flagship product. If it was called Fantasy Earth Two we wouldn't be having this conversation right now because they would have sold the IP rights or just flat out pulled the plug long, long ago. No, this bears the Final Fantasy title and they have to give the appearance of at least trying to care about their biggest and best, otherwise what would that say of their lesser products? The way I see it, this whole "reworking" has long since been for show. I'd bet money, folding money, and lots of it, that at some point in the relatively near future they're going to say something like: "Look, we tried, and no one can deny we tried, but this isn't happening, so we trust you all enjoyed the ride, after all you got it for free anyway, and we'll be closing this down at the end of the month." It's so political it hurts.

As for new content, just skimming ZAM forums I found this lovely jewel:
Really? I could put it far worse, but I appreciate the unbiased objectiveness this posters gives. So 1.18 has basically given us hope that the future will change. Where have I heard that before.

I dont know how you can have fun playing ffxi on ps2 <.<
Xbox 360 is so cheap nowdays and if u are PS fan buy a PS3 alredy

Can someone please give me 1 reason why anyone would still be on PS2?

I've really been trying to figure out a good reason IMO. No BS or talking crap. Literally cannot think of a good reason.

or get a computer and bypass all future problems

or is that unheard of?

News flash: Companies try to make money

Well of *** course they do, I'm so glad you dropped that little nugget of sagely wisdom on my lap right there. There are plenty of games that have had a rocky first release and turned it around, and as is the common opinion on the matter XIV is taking the exact route XI took in its initial days. The resemblance between the two games at launch are uncanny, and this is why in all likelihood the game hasn't been shitcanned (Also again, add to the fact that there are for more players playing these days, and it's looked upon favourably from a number of sources, including /v/).

The fact that it's a flagship title could have carried forward on its own name with very little development. (As is apparent in many other lesser Final Fantasy titles which did well regardless of quality). But no they in fact did decide to overhaul the game, an endeavour which will in fact cost them money and resources. If you honestly think Square would be pouring money into what they see as a fruitless endeavour I don't think you understand how big companies work at all. If the game was as hopeless as you'd like to imply, they would give it the odd patch and let it sail on its own with an $12.95 monthly fee, and people would STILL play it. (And in fact they'd be making more of a profit off of it.)

This is an endeavour they are working on because they believe it will result in increasing returns. There are people who are far smarter than you and I, sitting up top who know exactly what they are doing.

works too ;D but it seems most of ppl that play on ps2 is cuz they dont want spend money or idk if there is another reason

For the sake of the survival of the human species among other things, let us both hope you are without a doubt completely full of ***.

Other than that, cool story bro, can't wait.

Because it's only Wada who makes the decisions in Square, right?

CEO? Yep. That's kind of exactly what it means. It's kind of also why he's notoriously hated by just about everyone who ever did or does give a ***about Final Fantasy. I'm done here.

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Really?

I don't know what to say to you. It's pretty silly to assume that Wada is the man that's solely responsible for every poor decision made.

remember when 14 was released?

I do. I don't believe that all failures in a company are 100% on the CEO.

Clearly he doesn't decide if a Jerkin should be pink or brown, if players should auto attack or not, and what if any means of item bartering should exist. These would fall under the director, who was likely told by Wada to make something like WoW since that's exactly what we got. Outsourcing the bulk of development to China, Wada. Releasing an unfinished product, Wada. "Reorganizing" (read: avoiding blame) because you made some terrible decisions, Wada.

I kind of assumed we were on common ground but now I realise I left myself wide open. If you can't imagine the scope of a CEOs decisions, then I don't know what to say to you.

XIV was never anything like Wow. That shows how much time you put into the game.

Let me guess you blame Bobby Kotick for every bad decision made with the CoD franchise? It's hardly fair to blame one man on the multitude of problems presented in recent FF games. You sound like you're parroting what's being said by uninformed gamers.

Playing the blame game aside, as fun as it may be, you were saying how people up top are smarter than the two of us. Considering Wada is as "up top" as up top gets, I'd ask you please speak for yourself next time. Thank you.

Sure. Hows that multi million dollar company going for you?