Hopefully this doesn't end up like my other thread...
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/226042
Since this set will put you over haste cap, why is there still such a rush for dusk +1 gloves? I understand other jobs don't get 14 (15?) from pants/boots, but still. It doesn't seem that hard to cap gear haste anymore...
Also, I don't know how to make the set show up here, sorry.
Haste Cap
Haste cap
mortontony1 said:
Hopefully this doesn't end up like my other thread...
Since this set will put you over haste cap, why is there still such a rush for dusk +1 gloves? I understand other jobs don't get 14 (15?) from pants/boots, but still. It doesn't seem that hard to cap gear haste anymore... Also, I don't know how to make the set show up here, sorry.
Since this set will put you over haste cap, why is there still such a rush for dusk +1 gloves? I understand other jobs don't get 14 (15?) from pants/boots, but still. It doesn't seem that hard to cap gear haste anymore... Also, I don't know how to make the set show up here, sorry.
Fixed :D
[itemset ]226042[/itemset ] is the code (no spacing in the tags)
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Because jobs other than WAR can equip Dusk Gloves +1.
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Dusk gloves+1 have long since been rather pointless for war but some jobs (dnc and maybe sam, I dont know if the zanshin on ace's makes them better) still use them. Dusk+1 are still good for (I believe) the 2nd best restraint down set.
Haste cap is easilly reachable by many jobs w/o dusk gloves but it still takes a decent amount of GPs to get 110leather to craft dusk gloves T1.
Itemsets are [ itemset ]223379[ /itemset ] btw.
Haste cap is easilly reachable by many jobs w/o dusk gloves but it still takes a decent amount of GPs to get 110leather to craft dusk gloves T1.
Itemsets are [ itemset ]223379[ /itemset ] btw.
I would prefer Goading Belt over Bullwhip for the sTP (5 hit build GOGO!) which would be 25% haste and I could see why dusk gloves would be beneficial there for the 26%. But you do have a good point! XD
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Because jobs other than WAR can equip Dusk Gloves +1.
[Understood] that but I was asking in WAR forum because I see lots of gear sets with them and I was curious as to why use them when there are almost infinitely cheaper alternatives. I wasn't saying they were obsolete as a whole, just for WAR they seemed like it. And Sawtelle unless you really need that 1 extra attack or DEF, you can cap and still use the NQ gloves that are what, 4K?
Sylph.Annex said:
I would prefer Goading Belt over Bullwhip for the sTP (5 hit build GOGO!) which would be 25% haste and I could see why dusk gloves would be beneficial there for the 26%. But you do have a good point! XD
mortontony1 said:
And Sawtelle unless you really need that 1 extra attack or DEF, you can cap and still use the NQ gloves that are what, 4K?
You could! I have them for dnc myself.
DNC doesn't hit 26% without +1 though. Same for a well-geared NIN (Usu feet or augmented Haidate) and BLU using Zelus/Loki's or Cuauhtli +1/Metxtli off the top of my head.
[Understood] that but I was asking in WAR forum because I see lots of gear sets with them and I was curious as to why use them when there are almost infinitely cheaper alternatives. I wasn't saying they were obsolete as a whole, just for WAR they seemed like it. And Sawtelle unless you really need that 1 extra attack or DEF, you can cap and still use the NQ gloves that are what, 4K?People without Zelus I guess, or maybe something like the setup Sawtelle posted for those who are staying ahead of the curve.
mortontony1 said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Because jobs other than WAR can equip Dusk Gloves +1.
[Understood] that but I was asking in WAR forum because I see lots of gear sets with them and I was curious as to why use them when there are almost infinitely cheaper alternatives. I wasn't saying they were obsolete as a whole, just for WAR they seemed like it. And Sawtelle unless you really need that 1 extra attack or DEF, you can cap and still use the NQ gloves that are what, 4K?
Alright cool lol
Person who created this topic, it's because people use goading for the stp and not bullwhip 9/10 times. No set Requires dusk gloves+1 with war, tp in Af3+2 hands
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Can someone explain this thing to me.... FFXI Melee Damage Comparator v5.1.0. I use it bored but I'm not sure if i'm doing something wrong. I did af3 head, dusk +1, bullhhhwip, and timarli body vs the normal what we use zelus and af3 and it beats it? Amidoinitrong?(more like what am i doing wrong)
not counting store tp maybe? cause right there missing 5stp from belt and 4-8 on body?
edit:+askar/ebody>af3 body in most situations
edit:+askar/ebody>af3 body in most situations
Yea its a horrible like 15 or 16/hit. But for some reason it shows that it beats it. Im probably doing somethin wrong and should accept all wars look the same ; ;. i just like timar dat
If you wanna stand out wear the pheasant hat. It turns heads faster than spys snapping necks in action movies.
O-Hat?
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
DNC doesn't hit 26% without +1 though. Same for a well-geared NIN (Usu feet or augmented Haidate) and BLU using Zelus/Loki's or Cuauhtli +1/Metxtli off the top of my head.
[Understood] that but I was asking in WAR forum because I see lots of gear sets with them and I was curious as to why use them when there are almost infinitely cheaper alternatives. I wasn't saying they were obsolete as a whole, just for WAR they seemed like it. And Sawtelle unless you really need that 1 extra attack or DEF, you can cap and still use the NQ gloves that are what, 4K?People without Zelus I guess, or maybe something like the setup Sawtelle posted for those who are staying ahead of the curve.
mortontony1 said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Because jobs other than WAR can equip Dusk Gloves +1.
[Understood] that but I was asking in WAR forum because I see lots of gear sets with them and I was curious as to why use them when there are almost infinitely cheaper alternatives. I wasn't saying they were obsolete as a whole, just for WAR they seemed like it. And Sawtelle unless you really need that 1 extra attack or DEF, you can cap and still use the NQ gloves that are what, 4K?
DNC can hit 29% haste without dusk +1 or zelus. Dusk +1 on DNC is only needed if you want to replace rap harness for AF3 in a TP setupfor the DW/SB bonuses.
Lillica said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
DNC doesn't hit 26% without +1 though. Same for a well-geared NIN (Usu feet or augmented Haidate) and BLU using Zelus/Loki's or Cuauhtli +1/Metxtli off the top of my head.
[Understood] that but I was asking in WAR forum because I see lots of gear sets with them and I was curious as to why use them when there are almost infinitely cheaper alternatives. I wasn't saying they were obsolete as a whole, just for WAR they seemed like it. And Sawtelle unless you really need that 1 extra attack or DEF, you can cap and still use the NQ gloves that are what, 4K?People without Zelus I guess, or maybe something like the setup Sawtelle posted for those who are staying ahead of the curve.
mortontony1 said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Because jobs other than WAR can equip Dusk Gloves +1.
[Understood] that but I was asking in WAR forum because I see lots of gear sets with them and I was curious as to why use them when there are almost infinitely cheaper alternatives. I wasn't saying they were obsolete as a whole, just for WAR they seemed like it. And Sawtelle unless you really need that 1 extra attack or DEF, you can cap and still use the NQ gloves that are what, 4K?
DNC can hit 29% haste without dusk +1 or zelus. Dusk +1 on DNC is only needed if you want to replace rap harness for AF3 in a TP setupfor the DW/SB bonuses.
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Pheasant hat:
Edit:sorry, uploaded kinda small
Edit:sorry, uploaded kinda small
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Ramuh.Austar said:
Lillica said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
DNC doesn't hit 26% without +1 though. Same for a well-geared NIN (Usu feet or augmented Haidate) and BLU using Zelus/Loki's or Cuauhtli +1/Metxtli off the top of my head.
[Understood] that but I was asking in WAR forum because I see lots of gear sets with them and I was curious as to why use them when there are almost infinitely cheaper alternatives. I wasn't saying they were obsolete as a whole, just for WAR they seemed like it. And Sawtelle unless you really need that 1 extra attack or DEF, you can cap and still use the NQ gloves that are what, 4K?People without Zelus I guess, or maybe something like the setup Sawtelle posted for those who are staying ahead of the curve.
mortontony1 said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Because jobs other than WAR can equip Dusk Gloves +1.
[Understood] that but I was asking in WAR forum because I see lots of gear sets with them and I was curious as to why use them when there are almost infinitely cheaper alternatives. I wasn't saying they were obsolete as a whole, just for WAR they seemed like it. And Sawtelle unless you really need that 1 extra attack or DEF, you can cap and still use the NQ gloves that are what, 4K?
DNC can hit 29% haste without dusk +1 or zelus. Dusk +1 on DNC is only needed if you want to replace rap harness for AF3 in a TP setupfor the DW/SB bonuses.
Cuz it makes my boobies look smaller ;_;
Odin.Sawtelle said:
Pheasant hat:
Edit:sorry, uploaded kinda small
Edit:sorry, uploaded kinda small
Ah gotcha.
Edit: Peasant vs pheasant
timarli dastanas are always an option if you need 4% haste in the hand slot for some reason...
mortontony1 said:
Sylph.Annex said:
I would prefer Goading Belt over Bullwhip for the sTP (5 hit build GOGO!) which would be 25% haste and I could see why dusk gloves would be beneficial there for the 26%. But you do have a good point! XD
Ya, I was gonna say blitz ring to finish that 1% but I like my Hoard Ring with the +4 sTP. ^^
If that Hoard Ring doesn't complete your X-hit...
Cerberus.Tikal said:
If that Hoard Ring doesn't complete your X-hit...
True...it really all depends on where I can find more stp in other pieces my war is far from a 5-hit build, its at 6 hit now WITH the ws tp, but I am aiming for 5 hit. Need to level sam....ugh! XD
Oh. You're lacking /SAM? I suppose that's inevitable then.
X-hit always includes TP from WS.
X-hit always includes TP from WS.
Sylph.Annex said:
Cerberus.Tikal said:
If that Hoard Ring doesn't complete your X-hit...
True...it really all depends on where I can find more stp in other pieces my war is far from a 5-hit build, its at 6 hit now WITH the ws tp, but I am aiming for 5 hit. Need to level sam....ugh! XD
Comparable, I thought. 6 being easier but not strictly better.
Comparable if you have stalwarts/berserk up, otherwise 6 is better than 5hit.
To use the 5 hit you give up 9% DA, 3% critical hit rate, 22 STR, 15 DEX, 59 attack, 6 accuracy, and 1% haste in gear, AND lose another 87 Attack and 3 STR from being required to use carbonara as opposed to red curry bun. Quoted from another post about this same subject comparing these 2 sets.
5 hit:
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/205808
6 hit:
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/218925
To use the 5 hit you give up 9% DA, 3% critical hit rate, 22 STR, 15 DEX, 59 attack, 6 accuracy, and 1% haste in gear, AND lose another 87 Attack and 3 STR from being required to use carbonara as opposed to red curry bun. Quoted from another post about this same subject comparing these 2 sets.
5 hit:
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/205808
6 hit:
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/218925
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