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By Phoenix.Ingraham 2011-07-17 18:30:33
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Look at these fiends! They're plotting p2p features as we speak!


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By Phoenix.Ardiem 2011-07-17 19:31:22
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Having played Aion, I have to say....it was beyond grindy. At least FFXI made you feel accomplished as you struggled for a level up. With Aion each level was a substantial pain in the arse to earn, and once you had it, it felt hollow. And yes I've played since US release of XI, RDM was my first to 75 and it took months of casual play.

The world was gorgeous, wings are amazing, but limiting where we could fly was horrible. Not to mention my experiences with the mouth-breathers that play this game were less than amiable.

All in all I was more than happy to quit, as shiny as it is the game just isn't there.

On another note, I've been playing STO(Star Trek Online) the last few days and I'm already starting to feel the burden of grind crushing my shoulders. The game play itself is actually rather fun, the missions are simply but its very satisfying when you score a direct hit on a Bird of Prey with a torpedo, even sweeter when the ship blows up a few seconds after. Just not sure how long I'll be able to stand the horrendously slow leveling system.
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-07-17 21:29:29
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Carbuncle.Ceolwulf said:
Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
/sigh

Really? I suggest you go read up on GW's development. NCsoft didn't assist with anything, hence it being the only good game that NCsoft has published. Most of GW had been developed before NCsoft were even the publishers as Arenanet are an old offshoot from Blizzard. (Called triforge at the time)
I don't see anything saying that it was developed before NCsoft acquired them in 2002 (three years before the game was released).

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
Also:

"On September 10, 2008, NCsoft announced that all their North American and European subsidiaries, including ArenaNet, were to be governed by a new division named NC West (a tentative name), headquartered in Seattle, Washington. ArenaNet will no longer report directly to NCsoft Korea."

Hence the game having no Korean tropes.

Tropes that are apparent in every Korean MMO. Don't imply I hate a country because they can't develop good games.
I hope you realize they made that switch three years after Guild Wars was released, so they would most certainly have a say in how it was developed.

This isn't so much, "Korea makes bad games," as it is, "The only games I want to acknowledge as coming from Korea are, in my opinion, bad games," which doesn't speak much about Korea but speaks loads about you.

I'm pretty sure I said all MMOs being developed by Korea were bad games, not that all games from Korea were bad. Strawman gooooooooo.

Guild Wars has always been developed and marketed as a western game. NCsoft had little to no input in the development of the game.
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-17 21:49:37
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This MMO looks like it'll be good. I think it's a Korean MMO though so who knows.
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By Leviathan.Novax 2011-07-17 22:05:40
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Leviathan.Niniann said:
This MMO looks like it'll be good. I think it's a Korean MMO though so who knows.

Nini just come and play Star wars with me next year :)

I won't touch your lightsaber I swear!
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-07-17 22:25:06
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Ninian probably breaks lightsabers...
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-07-17 22:26:18
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Bahamut.Raenryong said:
Ninian probably breaks lightsabers...

sounds like using the force the right way if you ask me
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By Carbuncle.Ceolwulf 2011-07-17 22:36:10
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Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
I'm pretty sure I said all MMOs being developed by Korea were bad games, not that all games from Korea were bad. Strawman gooooooooo.
I never said you said "all games". Talking about strawmen, eh?

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
Guild Wars has always been developed and marketed as a western game. NCsoft had little to no input in the development of the game.
Except they were-- ya know-- the publisher: the person who handles all marketing.

You seem to be confusing "developer" with "person or group who handles every aspect of the game". While this is true for smaller games, in the case of major ones like Guild Wars or Aion, their role is smaller.
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-07-17 22:41:14
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Carbuncle.Ceolwulf said:
Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
I'm pretty sure I said all MMOs being developed by Korea were bad games, not that all games from Korea were bad. Strawman gooooooooo.
I never said you said "all games". Talking about strawmen, eh?

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
Guild Wars has always been developed and marketed as a western game. NCsoft had little to no input in the development of the game.
Except they were-- ya know-- the publisher: the person who handles all marketing.

You seem to be confusing "developer" with "person or group who handles every aspect of the game". While this is true for smaller games, in the case of major ones like Guild Wars or Aion, their role is smaller.

Games

As in plural. If you don't want what you said misconstrued then be concise.

I suggest you read up on the development of Guild Wars and how much input NCsoft had. (Protip: Little to none)

Hence Guild Wars not sharing the common tropes apparent in most Korean MMOs.
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-17 22:42:28
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Bahamut.Raenryong said:
Ninian probably breaks lightsabers...

I do :<

Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
sounds like using the force the right way if you ask me

Damn straight~ :3
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By Leviathan.Novax 2011-07-17 22:52:35
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Welp that wasn't a no, I'll see you on SWTOR w/e it comes out miss!
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-07-17 22:54:18
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I don't think Niniann will ever live down the d*** breaking/busting confession lol.. Peeps just won't let that one go lol
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-07-17 22:56:50
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She seems to be living it up if you ask me lol.
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By Carbuncle.Ceolwulf 2011-07-17 23:02:14
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Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
Games

As in plural. If you don't want what you said misconstrued then be concise.
They release more than one type of game, so it's fair to say "games" and not "some games" or "all games". This is really just semantics now; if you don't want to be wrong, don't assume what I meant.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
I suggest you read up on the development of Guild Wars and how much input NCsoft had. (Protip: Little to none)

Hence Guild Wars not sharing the common tropes apparent in most Korean MMOs.
Could you provide me with said reading material? Because I've provided enough evidence that they did have input, so I think it's your turn to provide evidence they didn't.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-07-17 23:03:43
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lol Night
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-17 23:05:33
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Ifrit.Eikechi said:
I don't think Niniann will ever live down the d*** breaking/busting confession lol.. Peeps just won't let that one go lol

I'm totally fine with men fearing me~
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-07-17 23:10:46
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Carbuncle.Ceolwulf said:
Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
Games

As in plural. If you don't want what you said misconstrued then be concise.
They release more than one type of game, so it's fair to say "games" and not "some games" or "all games". This is really just semantics now; if you don't want to be wrong, don't assume what I meant.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
I suggest you read up on the development of Guild Wars and how much input NCsoft had. (Protip: Little to none)

Hence Guild Wars not sharing the common tropes apparent in most Korean MMOs.
Could you provide me with said reading material? Because I've provided enough evidence that they did have input, so I think it's your turn to provide evidence they didn't.

Be more concise. If you say 'Games' all games are implied, not one specific genre.

And it was also implied by previous posts you've made with the silly assumption that I have something against a country due to the subpar MMO's they develop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild_Wars#Development

The engine was developed completely by Anet. Ncsoft ported said engine to other games licensed by them.

Hence it not having Korean tropes.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-07-17 23:15:34
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It doesn't instill fear in me! :P
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-07-17 23:18:56
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Oh and exactly what evidence have you provided that NCsoft had significant input into the creative development of Guild Wars?
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By Carbuncle.Ceolwulf 2011-07-17 23:47:36
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Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
Be more concise. If you say 'Games' all games are implied, not one specific genre.
Not really; if I walk into a Game Stop and ask, "Do you have games about cooking?" I'm not asking, "Do you have all the games about cooking?" But this isn't getting us anywhere.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
And it was also implied by previous posts you've made with the silly assumption that I have something against a country due to the subpar MMO's they develop.
Ah, develop. See, I believe you originally said release, which is different.

The only thing I see in there is that they came up with the idea of a F2P model, which is pretty freakin' common in Korean MMOs.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
The engine was developed completely by Anet. Ncsoft ported said engine to other games licensed by them.

Hence it not having Korean tropes.
I'm not saying the game wasn't developed by ArenaNet; I'm saying that NCsoft was the publisher-- according to your link-- a year before the game was announced, and most publishers have a say in how a developer develops their game.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
Oh and exactly what evidence have you provided that NCsoft had significant input into the creative development of Guild Wars?
Just that they're the publisher, and-- much like an investor-- will have a say in development. This isn't really fair, though, because we have no way to determine how much input NCsoft had in the development of Guild Wars without questioning someone from ArenaNet. I wouldn't imagine they just sat back and let them do whatever they wanted, though.
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-07-17 23:56:04
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Carbuncle.Ceolwulf said:
Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
Be more concise. If you say 'Games' all games are implied, not one specific genre.
Not really; if I walk into a Game Stop and ask, "Do you have games about cooking?" I'm not asking, "Do you have all the games about cooking?" But this isn't getting us anywhere.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
And it was also implied by previous posts you've made with the silly assumption that I have something against a country due to the subpar MMO's they develop.
Ah, develop. See, I believe you originally said release, which is different.

The only thing I see in there is that they came up with the idea of a F2P model, which is pretty freakin' common in Korean MMOs.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
The engine was developed completely by Anet. Ncsoft ported said engine to other games licensed by them.

Hence it not having Korean tropes.
I'm not saying the game wasn't developed by ArenaNet; I'm saying that NCsoft was the publisher-- according to your link-- a year before the game was announced, and most publishers have a say in how a developer develops their game.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
Oh and exactly what evidence have you provided that NCsoft had significant input into the creative development of Guild Wars?
Just that they're the publisher, and-- much like an investor-- will have a say in development. This isn't really fair, though, because we have no way to determine how much input NCsoft had in the development of Guild Wars without questioning someone from ArenaNet. I wouldn't imagine they just sat back and let them do whatever they wanted, though.

So no proof that they had significant input into the creative development of Guild Wars then.

You could have just said that instead of frothing over a couple of paragraphs.

I'd suggest you google "NCsoft vs Anet" or similar queries. I'm not going to provide you with evidence on the already obvious.

Guild Wars is nothing like a Korean MMO, hence the reason it's good and actually interesting.
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By Carbuncle.Ceolwulf 2011-07-18 00:10:37
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Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
So no proof that they had significant input into the creative development of Guild Wars then.
Just, ya know, common sense.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
You could have just said that instead of frothing over a couple of paragraphs.
Not sure what you mean, there. Do you hate reading? Pretty sure my responses never hit over fifteen sentences.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
I'd suggest you google "NCsoft vs Anet" or similar queries. I'm not going to provide you with evidence on the already obvious.

Guild Wars is nothing like a Korean MMO, hence the reason it's good and actually interesting.
All I see are a bunch of Guild Wars players bitching about how they learned NCsoft is the publisher so they're worried Guild Wars 2 is going to be like "another grindy Korean MMO". It's all just conjecture, because none of us have any proof that they had a hand in development or not.

Guild Wars is more like a Korean MMO than a western MMO, and it's published by a Korean company, so really this is just a case of you being wrong and not wanting to give up.
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-07-18 00:18:21
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Wrong about what exactly?

I never claimed Guild Wars didn't have a Korean publisher. I never even called Guild wars an MMO (Which it isn't btw)

It was developed by a western studio

hence it not being ***.


And common sense should tell you that with a big IP like Guild Wars, the publisher would have little input into the creative development of the game. Do you think Square Enix had significant input in the new Deus Ex?

The entire lore of Guild Wars is western based (bar factions) and the entire gameplay and style of gameplay is western based. Have you even played the game? Saying Guild Wars is more like a Korean MMO is like saying WoW is like a Korean MMO.
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-07-18 00:19:48
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But please provide your examples (other than f2p mechanics) of why GW is like a Korean MMO. It wasn't even initially supported by micro transactions.
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By Leviathan.Narshe 2011-07-18 00:25:25
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I thought Guild Wars is boring personally. :/

I found Everquest to be a great time sink when I grow bored of XI.. its still going and is releasing its 18th expansion pack in November. (Nope not talking about EQ2)

Edit: oh I see other people mentioned EQ too.. then nevermind :/ didn't back read..
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2011-07-18 05:27:18
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Personally looking forward to trying Phantasy Star Online 2.




http://www.pso-world.com/ Maybe will be out end of this year hopefully. Luckily one of my RL best friends is on board for launch with me... we will see what happens.

Here is the trailer:


Make sure to watch that in HD lol.
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By Bismarck.Hisagi 2011-07-18 07:11:31
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Siren.Clinpachi said:
Personally looking forward to trying Phantasy Star Online 2.




http://www.pso-world.com/ Maybe will be out end of this year hopefully. Luckily one of my RL best friends is on board for launch with me... we will see what happens.

Here is the trailer:


Make sure to watch that in HD lol.
/em wants :/
I hope this coming out for consolesPS3/360 too not just for PC x.x
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By Carbuncle.Ceolwulf 2011-07-18 10:39:37
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Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
Wrong about what exactly?

I never claimed Guild Wars didn't have a Korean publisher. I never even called Guild wars an MMO (Which it isn't btw)
You originally said, "games released by Korea". Guild Wars is a game released by a Korean publisher, and you started to argue that it wasn't. Then we got into whether it was like a Korean MMO.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
It was developed by a western studio

hence it not being ***.
So you're saying anything not developed by a Western studio is ***? C'mon, dude; now you're just being an idiot.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
And common sense should tell you that with a big IP like Guild Wars, the publisher would have little input into the creative development of the game. Do you think Square Enix had significant input in the new Deus Ex?
What? Guild Wars wasn't a big IP during development. Are you traveling through time in the opposite direction as the rest of the world? You're talking as though Guild Wars was released before it was developed.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
The entire lore of Guild Wars is western based (bar factions)
FFXI is Western-based with the occasional Eastern thing thrown in, and a game can be developed with "lore" outside of the country in which it's being developed. A lot of Korean games are heavily influenced by Western culture.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
and the entire gameplay and style of gameplay is western based. Have you even played the game? Saying Guild Wars is more like a Korean MMO is like saying WoW is like a Korean MMO.
How would you define gameplay as being "Western-based"?

We've been arguing about whether Guild Wars can be a Korean MMO for two pages, and it's getting old, because-- even without Guild Wars in my original list of games-- my point still stands on its own: there are plenty of good Korean MMOs (unless you're just being unfairly bias because of some thing you have against Korean-made games).
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2011-07-18 10:47:52
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I hope PSO2 comes out for a console too. First, I hope we actually get it in the West, lol.
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-07-18 12:06:23
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Carbuncle.Ceolwulf said:
Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
Wrong about what exactly?

I never claimed Guild Wars didn't have a Korean publisher. I never even called Guild wars an MMO (Which it isn't btw)
You originally said, "games released by Korea". Guild Wars is a game released by a Korean publisher, and you started to argue that it wasn't. Then we got into whether it was like a Korean MMO.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
It was developed by a western studio

hence it not being ***.
So you're saying anything not developed by a Western studio is ***? C'mon, dude; now you're just being an idiot.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
And common sense should tell you that with a big IP like Guild Wars, the publisher would have little input into the creative development of the game. Do you think Square Enix had significant input in the new Deus Ex?
What? Guild Wars wasn't a big IP during development. Are you traveling through time in the opposite direction as the rest of the world? You're talking as though Guild Wars was released before it was developed.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
The entire lore of Guild Wars is western based (bar factions)
FFXI is Western-based with the occasional Eastern thing thrown in, and a game can be developed with "lore" outside of the country in which it's being developed. A lot of Korean games are heavily influenced by Western culture.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
and the entire gameplay and style of gameplay is western based. Have you even played the game? Saying Guild Wars is more like a Korean MMO is like saying WoW is like a Korean MMO.
How would you define gameplay as being "Western-based"?

We've been arguing about whether Guild Wars can be a Korean MMO for two pages, and it's getting old, because-- even without Guild Wars in my original list of games-- my point still stands on its own: there are plenty of good Korean MMOs (unless you're just being unfairly bias because of some thing you have against Korean-made games).

I guess you just have a terrible taste in games. And yes GW was fairly big before release due to constant beta tests and the fact that the development team were well known blizzard employees before they jumped ship.

And yes, I'm saying that an MMO developed in a western studio has a far lower chance to be shitty.

I'm going to still assume you've never played Guild Wars due to you talking out of your ***. The game is basically like Wow.

There are plenty of good Korean MMOs in your opinion. Critical acclaim doesn't back you up there brosef. The majority of MMO players are sick of the common tropes apparent in 99% of Korean MMOs.


Just because you have a hard on for loli girls with gigantic ***, don't assume the rest of us have.
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