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Fistule path limitation.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-07-12 16:04:31
Phoenix.Fondue said: bst sucks balls outside too, grats on soloing cerb for an agol
Are you just trying too hard, or are you really that mad? Either way, it's hilariously ineffective trolling.
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By Fenrir.Ilax 2011-07-12 16:06:03
Farsha is good brew option for War, many NM are immune to light/dark making war sucky at brewing. Also nice option to quick cap amber, retalition -> Amber fest.
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By Cerberus.Quipto 2011-07-12 16:08:50
Holding the NMs to pop Fistule will not get you jailed. I have screenshot proof that a GM will do nothing unless someone is holding an NM for over 30 minutes. Sucked at the time I was working on my Gandiva, but I turned around and did the same thing with no fear of being jailed.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-07-12 16:11:42
Cerberus.Quipto said: Holding the NMs to pop Fistule will not get you jailed. I have screenshot proof that a GM will do nothing unless someone is holding an NM for over 30 minutes. Sucked at the time I was working on my Gandiva, but I turned around and did the same thing with no fear of being jailed.
30minutes makes sense. Like I said, this dude (was the same guy twice) would pop bloodguzzler as soon as the ??? came back after a Claim(So while Fistule was still alive), which if you're solo'ing (Actually solo'ing Fistule) could be between 25-35minutes of holding.
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By Fenrir.Ilax 2011-07-12 16:14:34
Holding leech 30 min is not that hard specially if someone bring guimauve and you loose claim, what you supposed todo kill Leech NM and waste another eft blood, not really, so you /wait next windows, and that mean way over 30 min, and add even more time if they keep beating you with guimauve or slug NM XD
Kinda hardly believe GM will force you to kill leech and waste a pop..
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By Asura.Vyre 2011-07-12 16:16:53
Fenrir.Ilax said: Farsha is good brew option for War, many NM are immune to light/dark making war sucky at brewing. Also nice option to quick cap amber, retalition -> Amber fest. War doesn't suck at brewing. Herculean Slash, Flash Nova, Aeolian Edge, Sanguine Blade, Earth Crusher, etc. all say, "Hi." War has access to all of them, if you really wanted to brew on War.
On another note, my brother and I duoed(Thief+Monk) almost all of his Fistules this way, because it has pretty much become necessity. If people get Guzzler, then I get Guimauve and hold that son of a gun in an attempt to out do them. Plan on doing all mine this way as well, hopefully without much competition. It really doesn't take that long. I'd be with Zicdeh on this one, but since it is necessary to get Fistule, then there is no way around it :/
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By Fenrir.Ilax 2011-07-12 16:18:18
So far best comment i see here was to make each 3 NM a Ki for Fistule, fair game that way.
Quote: War doesn't suck at brewing.
They don't, but what you listed is 12k dmg, i am looking for 24~35k+
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-07-12 16:18:36
Fenrir.Ilax said: Holding leech 30 min is not that hard specially if someone bring guimauve and you loose claim, what you supposed todo kill Leech NM and waste another eft blood, not really, so you /wait next windows, and that mean way over 30 min, and add even more time if they keep beating you with guimauve or slug NM XD
Kinda hardly believe GM will force you to kill leech and waste a pop..
Call one and ask yourself.
Also, if you lose Fistule Claim to a Guimauve holder, you really suck or got really unlucky, Fistule would have to pop on top of Guimauve to have any chance over a Bloodguzzler claim.
By sigpimud 2011-07-12 16:19:31
Any GM with half a brain knows the claim conditions of Fistule and wouldnt jail someone holding bloodguzzler. If they were jailed it was because they were idiots. I also havent seen a GM respond to any call in under 20 minutes in years so whoever is holding it would have been able to grab fistule before agm every arrives.
I finished the Fistule path as Thf & Whm, fights were a bit slower but I got x2 drops most of the time so the extra few minutes was worth it to me.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-07-12 16:19:55
Phoenix.Fondue said: bst sucks balls outside too, grats on trioing tiamat for some herald's gaiters
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-07-12 16:24:55
Cerberus.Tikal said: Phoenix.Fondue said: bst sucks balls outside too, grats on trioing tiamat for some herald's gaiters
You Left out Trio'ing Vrtra for Cashmere Cloth too.
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By Shiva.Msthief 2011-07-12 16:32:53
You can't get jailed for this and anybody who says otherwise, POIDH. Let's move on.
*I had been marathoning fistule for at least six hours by that time which explains my blase attitude with the GM.
Guim is like rolling the dice. He's faster and more direct than the leech, but if caught casting magic during the pop you're screwed.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-07-12 17:06:49
Shiva.Msthief said:
You can't get jailed for this and anybody who says otherwise, POIDH. Let's move on.
*I had been marathoning fistule for at least six hours by that time which explains my blase attitude with the GM.
Guim is like rolling the dice. He's faster and more direct than the leech, but if caught casting magic during the pop you're screwed.
The key is, you were holding him actually during the window, or at least that's what the GM saw. Try holding him 20minutes before the window, I bet you get a different response.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-07-12 17:09:55
Odin.Zicdeh said: Shiva.Msthief said:
You can't get jailed for this and anybody who says otherwise, POIDH. Let's move on.
*I had been marathoning fistule for at least six hours by that time which explains my blase attitude with the GM.
Guim is like rolling the dice. He's faster and more direct than the leech, but if caught casting magic during the pop you're screwed.
The key is, you were holding him actually during the window, or at least that's what the GM saw. Try holding him 20minutes before the window, I bet you get a different response.
How do you know he wasnt holding it for 15 minutes before the GM got ahold of him?
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-07-12 17:13:00
Sylph.Kimble said: Odin.Zicdeh said: Shiva.Msthief said:
You can't get jailed for this and anybody who says otherwise, POIDH. Let's move on.
*I had been marathoning fistule for at least six hours by that time which explains my blase attitude with the GM.
Guim is like rolling the dice. He's faster and more direct than the leech, but if caught casting magic during the pop you're screwed.
The key is, you were holding him actually during the window, or at least that's what the GM saw. Try holding him 20minutes before the window, I bet you get a different response.
How do you know he wasnt holding it for 15 minutes before the GM got ahold of him?
You didn't read very well. The GM only saw the "Five" minutes or so, which I pointed out.
When I called the GM, the dude and his botnet were actively holding Bloodguzzler while fighting Fistule to monopolize the NM.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-07-12 17:16:53
well in most cases, unless the person is holding the NM right when Fistule is killed, it will take them 5-10 minutes to even respond. In that case, all you have to say is "oh, im holding it to pop Fistule, he will pop in 5-10 mins" you are just going to get the same result.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-07-12 17:22:31
Sylph.Kimble said: well in most cases, unless the person is holding the NM right when Fistule is killed, it will take them 5-10 minutes to even respond. In that case, all you have to say is "oh, im holding it to pop Fistule, he will pop in 5-10 mins" you are just going to get the same result.
I'm not even talking about "Right when Fistule is killed", I'm talking about when it's just been claimed and at 90%.
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By Remora.Dodu 2011-07-12 17:39:55
What kind of outcome is it that you're looking for from your version of holding rules being enforced? The parameters of competition don't change based on when the tigger is popped. You can compete to pop it before the window, or you can compete to pop it when the window starts. Bloodguzzler isn't a more effective claiming tool based on how long he's been held. If anything, the system in place enforces sharing. A solo player cannot pop Fistule and be ready for the respawn of Bloodguzzler's ???.
Regardless of whatever you got some dumb GM(s) to do, this isn't what the rules against holding are meant to prevent. Quit whining.
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By Shiva.Msthief 2011-07-12 17:50:22
You can use more than just the leech and gui - the slug works stupidly well.
I also took a pic of when the asshat told me he GM'd me. It was funny because like a minute or two afterward I claimed fistule, thus giving him the leech. For the record, the GM took about 45 minutes to respond (It was at 3AM on a tuesday morning PDT).
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By Phoenix.Fondue 2011-07-13 16:56:38
Odin.Zicdeh said: Cerberus.Tikal said: Phoenix.Fondue said: bst sucks balls outside too, grats on trioing tiamat for some herald's gaiters
You Left out Trio'ing Vrtra for Cashmere Cloth too.
capped my gil in 'nam bro, not impressed
I know SE added 3x ??? for all Empy NM trial except for this one, i can also understand it would be a major problem if they add 3x and all them aggro at same time if you bring 1 mob, but don't you think they could just add up:
Fistule(A) only eat Guimauve
Fistule(B) Only eat Bloodguzzler
Fistule(C) only eat Lentor
As much i found this amusing to hold 3 NM just to get 1x Fistule every 20 min, don't HOLDING NM is from base again ToS, but then people have no choice... Would be nice if SE review this path.
I have to agree fistule don't REQ Ki as other path and make it easy from base, but when it come overcamped is by far another story, you can't get a fistule pop from gold chest =X So the only option is holding all 3 NM (kinda again the ToS) or hold your single Bloodguzzler 20min to 1h long...
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