Fistule Path Limitation.

I know SE added 3x ??? for all Empy NM trial except for this one, i can also understand it would be a major problem if they add 3x and all them aggro at same time if you bring 1 mob, but don't you think they could just add up:

Fistule(A) only eat Guimauve
Fistule(B) Only eat Bloodguzzler
Fistule(C) only eat Lentor

As much i found this amusing to hold 3 NM just to get 1x Fistule every 20 min, don't HOLDING NM is from base again ToS, but then people have no choice... Would be nice if SE review this path.

I have to agree fistule don't REQ Ki as other path and make it easy from base, but when it come overcamped is by far another story, you can't get a fistule pop from gold chest =X So the only option is holding all 3 NM (kinda again the ToS) or hold your single Bloodguzzler 20min to 1h long...

Fistule path is hard? That's news to me. I agree fighting over one NM can be rather awful at times, but welcome to Empy weapons...

Fistule people have it easy. You can knock out a round every 25 minutes and you don't really have to do anything. Quit complaining already, the only other T1 that's possibly easier is Carabosse.

Hmmm, When did i say it was hard? I am almost done on my second Empy from fistule (i did axe and now 32/50 for bow) Even Glavoid is easy and can be done fast as fistul :P was just pointing how he can turn again ToS and no fun if overcamped, and you wont find any problem like that with any other path.

When i did Fistule it took me and my friend just under 14 hours to get all 80 we needed for our Axe and Bow. We would pop the leech hold til Fistule popped and killed the Jelly Nm outside the window of fistule so it became a non factor. I think we ran off 4 or 5 groups wanting to do fistule that day.

again missing the entire point of the thread... Glavoid can be poped 3x every minute (if brew) and all other NM You can get Ki out of gold box + NM, people can easy build 30 pop / hours ( NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR ONLY LS, i am talking about multi LS building pop with multi cleave camp... )

Now let come back to fistule, 1 pop per 20~25 min, 2 pop per 1h... and you can't do anything about it + anything you gonna try to monopolize it (Hold all 3 NM) is purely again ToS.

Please stay on subject, this is not a Q.Q thread, by the end of the day i be 100% done on bow and i already did axe, so is not like i care that much, was just giving my opinion on this path.

Fistule is 20-25 mins?

This is news to me

Hope this is serious question :) Fistule 15~20 pop, take ~5 min to kill, you average 20~25 min. unless you wan brew all your fistule ><


Assuming they all droped 2x, 40x * 20 min = 800 min, 13.3h. Good job, is all i can say, and if you had competition also, mean you claimed 100% all time, i feel sad for other 5 group =/

Well you didn't say it was difficult I more meant hard as in tedious, which you were indicating. It only tedious if it's over camped, but if it IS over camped you can just go do something else. Really it's a simple decision that is unique to fistule, if you get there and 3 groups already there you just go do something else cause its not worth it. This to me makes it pretty easy.

For NMs that have multiple KIs you have the possibility that each KI NM is over camped, so its much easier to waste more time waiting for a shot at each KI. The 3 pops is nice and alleviates congestion at the end, but it doesn't negate the bottleneck that exists in farming the sets in general.

The only way you could ever do more Glavs than Fistules in any set amount of time is if you had a several efficient people helping you, who could break into smaller independent groups who could farm their individual sets by themselves and you burned them all with brews in the end.

You said 1 pop 20-25 mins. My bad on your semantics

Some people do try to proc for their helpers, that can add a couple minutes to the time. Sry if quid-pro-quo isn't 1337 enough for you....

Cleave PT, and again i am not talking about 1 group, but in general, if glavoid would be limited to 1x every 25 min [Witch was the case as all other NM before] then i would agree with you, SE did a good job adding more ??? and offering Ki from gold chest, but yet nothing been done for fistule, wait nvm they actually added 2 more mob he can eat, so basicly all what SE added is a way to give more hard time to ppl ( more competition) + is again ToS holding NM. (i guess is an exception for these 3 now?..)

never said respawn time is 25 min, all my apologize if i confused you there.

You don't need to apologize, 20-25 min is the accurate time range of an efficient Fistule round.

Or some people bring a THF and a mage and duo Fistule, which would definitely be a longer fight.

When it come to that i have no problem, idm if people take long time to kill, in worse case i can always offer to help them to speed up the fight, even if they refuse is no big deal, i can /wait np.

Edit: I duo THF + WHM, and it take less time then when i did it on mnk + whm, let me reform these word so there no confusion:

When i did on MNK + WHM 40/45 kill turned 1x fistule discharge drop only. but the fight was taking 45 sec 300TP VS + 2h + Temp item = owned.

Now i do it on thf + whm, it take me 3~5 min per kill, but so far out of 17 kill only 1x drop 1x, yes for the update i am now @ 35/50.

it is being instigated by Se according to GMs for some the same reasons stated in this thread by groups monopolizing all spawns illegally and holding/blocking the nms so other people cant do them. Now if they will actually do anything to fix it is another matter. I have heard though least on the axe the ws really sucks not anything better then primal rage basically.

Fistule is the easiest Empy NM there is.

i cant believe im seeing ranting over this path..

Dunno why SE didn't just create 3 Fistule spawns, it just isn't consistent with the other Emp NMs.

If their excuse is because Fistule requires no KI and simply requires an NM pop, I direct them to Bhukis who is more than enough to balance off the Bow/Axe/Club path.

You both completely missed his point..he isn't saying that its hard, or whatever. Just saying that with Fist lame pop conditions and only 1 ??? its a cockblock for no reason when every other Emp NM has 3 ???..he has a valid point.

Abyssea is hardmode

You're not breaking any rules of the ToS if you're damaging the mob. Stick dia on them while holding and you're not breaking any rules.

Even if a GM came in and said you are holding it, all you have to do is slap a DOT on it and cast a banish here and there and you are ok.

If he pops at the end of his window, its been 20 minutes, if you have the bait handy when he repops, and he repops right on top of you, it will still take you a minimum ~30 seconds to actually feed him the bait and get engaged. then if it takes you 2-3 minutes to kill and 2 minutes to proc it will take you between 20-25 minutes per round. Stop being a douche bag with your I can kill it in 30 seconds, and if you can't ur gimp BS.


No one has missed the OPs point, he's complaining because he's on the trial and he has obstacles in his way. What he has failed to realize is that SE probably saw this particular path and said:
"Hmmm if we make 3 timed fistule pops someone could spam all three if they were all open and get their trial done in <4 hours." I'm guessing SE didn't want to make it that easy.

The OPs point isn't realistic in the slightest.

Not really, i don't mind about obstacle except when it come to cockblock everyone on your way to archive your goal. My main worry about all this is how you can't pop him more then 3 time per hours for everyone present in the zone... That imo is a major fail. Put 9 different group @ glavoid and you have 1/3 chance to pop him. put 9 group @ Fistule and you have 1/9 chance to get him and you need hold your NM entire time till you win the claim. Also keep in mind with glavoid eventually they going to run out of KI and they have to move back on farming, on fistule there no Ki... So a group can 100% monopolize the camp 14h long.


Why not just raise a bit the difficulty on him, is not like you can't pop 3x glavoid at same time if you wan, people just don't do that because is too hard. So i don't see why this should be different for this NM.


Obviously holding is holding, i doubt GM would tolerate you kill glavoid with dia. But let just agree about game mechanic, GM can't take any action because is how fistule work, is not like people have other choice to play it that way.

No, Holding is not holding, DOTing a mob to death (think 75 cap and RDM solos) is a legitimate way to kill. As long as you are keeping dot on a mob and throwing a nuke here and there, it is not holding per TOS.

Its how people could hold King V back in the old days and waiting for nighttime/their LS to come out and gather and set up zerg, without having to worry about a GM making them give up claim.

People usually dont pop 3 of any of the empy mobs at once to brew because

1) 2 will be unclaimed and most likely stolen

and

2) The treasure pool can only hold up to 10 items, brewing 3 of these at once and killing will force items out of the treasure pool and those empy items you want will not fall to you 100%.

I've jailed someone for holding Bloodguzzler at Fistule, even if they were doing Damage to it, so that "Banish it and you're fine" is total ***, and the GM will see right through it. Especially if you're stupid enough to talk about "Oh, just damage it and the GM can't do ***" in your chat log.


More on topic, Fistule is lol, claiming Fistule is irritating. I like the 'Three Fistule" idea.

I don't think it'd be so irritating if the people who claim Fistule were there for the Discharges, but they just go for the easy EAF stuff, and then have the audacity to try and sell the Fistule Discharges for 500k a pop, when they're just going to let them hit the floor anyway.