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Abortion
Phoenix.Sehachan
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-07-09 08:37:25
I have more than one reason for not wanting to be a mother. It's not that I wouldn't be able to love, but everyone's different anyway. I believe in what you say and it's true, but I remain firm on my position.
Bahamut.Kara
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By Bahamut.Kara 2011-07-09 09:11:11
Bismarck.Dracondria said:
Here you get 480 days off work if you want, 60 days reserved for each parent and the rest you can divide up as you want. You can't get fired for taking time off work and you still get paid. This is a translated link of how it works
Very similar to what takes place in Denmark. :) It also lets both parents take responsibility for the new baby, rather than one parent having to do all the work.
If I remember correctly, you can space out the time off too. So, when the mother is getting ready to re-enter the workforce the father can take some time off to take care of the baby.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2011-07-09 09:35:45
Bahamut.Kara said: Bismarck.Dracondria said:
Here you get 480 days off work if you want, 60 days reserved for each parent and the rest you can divide up as you want. You can't get fired for taking time off work and you still get paid. This is a translated link of how it works
Very similar to what takes place in Denmark. :) It also lets both parents take responsibility for the new baby, rather than one parent having to do all the work.
If I remember correctly, you can space out the time off too. So, when the mother is getting ready to re-enter the workforce the father can take some time off to take care of the baby.
Yeah I think that's how it works here too.
Pandemonium.Zeto
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By Pandemonium.Zeto 2011-07-09 09:41:46
If I ever get a lady pregnant, its ultimately her decision. If she doesn't want to be a mother and wants to have an abortion I'm gonna make sure that she's sure but I won't dissuade her and I'll support her decision. Personally, I'm terrified dropping anything fragile(or sharp) so needless to say I'm not that comfortable holding it. This should speak volumes about how at ease I am when it comes to holding something that I'm supposed to keep alive much less safe.
Ragnarok.Beef
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By Ragnarok.Beef 2011-07-09 12:36:53
Pandemonium.Zeto said: If I ever get a lady pregnant, its ultimately her decision. If she doesn't want to be a mother and wants to have an abortion I'm gonna make sure that she's sure but I won't dissuade her and I'll support her decision. Personally, I'm terrified dropping anything fragile(or sharp) so needless to say I'm not that comfortable holding it. This should speak volumes about how at ease I am when it comes to holding something that I'm supposed to keep alive much less safe.
i think that's how everyone feels, that's pretty normal. that's why you don't see people carrying kids by the head and ***. they're scared to drop it too.
vs Kansas:
Kansas to Shut Down All but One Abortion Clinic Friday | Mother Jones
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/06/kansas-shut-down-all-abortion-clinics-friday
Quote: This story has been updated below.
It's official. Every abortion provider in the state of Kansas has been denied a license to continue operating as of July 1. As we reported last week, strict new state laws put in place this month threatened to close the remaining three abortion clinics in Kansas. The staff of one of these facilities, a Planned Parenthood clinic in Overland Park, initially thought their operation could survive the strict new standards. But on Thursday afternoon, Planned Parenthood announced that the Overland Park clinic has thus far been denied a license to continue operating—effectively cutting off access to legal abortion in the entire state.
The new law, which takes effect Friday, establishes new standards for abortion providers—standards apparently designed to make compliance difficult. The rules require changes to the size and number of rooms, compel clinics to have additional supplies on hand, and even mandate room temperatures for the facilities. Given that the rules were released less than two weeks before clinics were expected to be in compliance, many providers knew they wouldn't be able to obtain a license to continue operating. The laws, often called "targeted regulation of abortion providers," or TRAP laws, are an increasingly common legislative maneuver to limit access to abortion by redering it tough, if not impossible, for providers to comply.
With today's announcement that the Overland Park clinic was denied a license, Kansas becomes the first state to effectively make the legally protected right to obtain abortion services moot. One clinic in Kansas has already filed suit against the new rules, and a hearing on that suit is planned for Friday. Planned Parenthood is also expected to sue. The clinics are also expected to seek an injunction to block the law from being enforced. UPDATE: Planned Parenthood has filed suit. They are seeking an emergency injunction to allow their clinic to remain open while the lawsuit is pending.
"The women of Kansas waiting on their scheduled procedures will pay the immediate price for this outrageous and flagrant exertion of the radical GOP’s legislative muscle under the Brownback administration," said Kansas NOW in a statement Thursday, referring to conservative Republican Gov. Sam Brownback. "The freedom and right to legal healthcare has been denied to the women of Kansas."
UPDATE: In a statement issued Thursday evening, Peter Brownlie, president of Planned Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri, seemed to hold out some hope that its clinic could still obtain a license to continue operating, even as the organization sought an injuction to block the law from taking effect. "We have been targeted in this bill and Kansas women are the ones who will suffer if their health care is taken away," said Brownlie. "This is radical, extreme government intrusion into private health care."
UPDATE 5:45 PM EST THURSDAY: The Associated Press is reporting that the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, after initially denying a license to Planned Parenthood, has now changed their mind. Stay tuned for more updates. PP said inspectors were back at the clinic Thursday reevaluating it, after earlier this week indicating that they would not be able to obtain one.
UPDATE 6:08 PM EST THURSDAY: Planned Parenthood just announced that the health department has, in fact, decided to grant it a license to continue operating. The PP clinic in Overland Park will remain open. "Notwithstanding that the regulations are burdensome and unnecessary, the findings of the inspection indicate what we have known and said throughout this process: Planned Parenthood operates with the highest standards of patient care and has rigorous safety procedures in place," Brownlie said.
UPDATE 7:15 PM EST FRIDAY: A federal judge in Kansas City has blocked the new abortion clinic regulations from taking effect.
Kansas Judge Blocks Abortion Clinic Regs | Mother Jones
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/07/kansas-judge-blocks-abortion-clinic-regs
Quote: A judge in Kansas has blocked the state's strict new regulations on abortion providers from taking effect, a move that will allow all three clinics in the state to continue offering services, the Kansas City Star reports.
On Friday afternoon, U.S District Judge Carlos Murguia granted a request from two clinics—Aid for Women in Kansas City and the Center for Women's Health in Overland Park—to grant temporary relief from the new rules, which took effect July 1. The clinics were denied a license to continue operating after the state issued new rules on June 17 that would have required both clinics to make major changes to their facilities. A third clinic, owned by Planned Parenthood, was granted a license to continue operating on Thursday.
The injunction will remain in place until the court hears the formal challenge to the state's regulations.
"This is a tremendous victory for women in Kansas and against the underhanded efforts of anti-choice politicians to shut down abortion providers in the state," said Center for Reproductive Rights president Nancy Northup, which joined with the clinics in filing the legal challenge to the law, in a statement Friday evening. "The facts were clear—this licensing process had absolutely nothing to do with patient health or safety and everything to do with political shenanigans."
The Kansas legislature passed a new law in April creating a new designation for abortion providers under the state's licensing system, and directed the Department of Health and Environment to issue new rules. The department issued 36-pages of rules on June 17 (though the clinics did not receive copies until June 20), mandating things like the size of waiting and recovery rooms, the number of bathrooms, and the required temperatures for each room in the facility. Clinic owners argued that it was impossible to meet the new standards, given that they were released just two weeks before the clinics were required to comply. Moreover, they argued, the rules had little to do with protecting patients and were designed to shut down the clinics.
This type of law, often called "targeted regulation of abortion providers," or "TRAP" laws, isn't exactly new or unique, but Kansas' would have gone farther than others in actually shutting down abortion providers.
Kate Sheppard covers energy and environmental politics in Mother Jones' Washington bureau. For more of her stories, click here. She Tweets here. Get Kate Sheppard's RSS feed.
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