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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-07-05 10:23:19
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vs Kansas:
Kansas to Shut Down All but One Abortion Clinic Friday | Mother Jones
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This story has been updated below.
It's official. Every abortion provider in the state of Kansas has been denied a license to continue operating as of July 1. As we reported last week, strict new state laws put in place this month threatened to close the remaining three abortion clinics in Kansas. The staff of one of these facilities, a Planned Parenthood clinic in Overland Park, initially thought their operation could survive the strict new standards. But on Thursday afternoon, Planned Parenthood announced that the Overland Park clinic has thus far been denied a license to continue operating—effectively cutting off access to legal abortion in the entire state.
The new law, which takes effect Friday, establishes new standards for abortion providers—standards apparently designed to make compliance difficult. The rules require changes to the size and number of rooms, compel clinics to have additional supplies on hand, and even mandate room temperatures for the facilities. Given that the rules were released less than two weeks before clinics were expected to be in compliance, many providers knew they wouldn't be able to obtain a license to continue operating. The laws, often called "targeted regulation of abortion providers," or TRAP laws, are an increasingly common legislative maneuver to limit access to abortion by redering it tough, if not impossible, for providers to comply.
With today's announcement that the Overland Park clinic was denied a license, Kansas becomes the first state to effectively make the legally protected right to obtain abortion services moot. One clinic in Kansas has already filed suit against the new rules, and a hearing on that suit is planned for Friday. Planned Parenthood is also expected to sue. The clinics are also expected to seek an injunction to block the law from being enforced. UPDATE: Planned Parenthood has filed suit. They are seeking an emergency injunction to allow their clinic to remain open while the lawsuit is pending.
"The women of Kansas waiting on their scheduled procedures will pay the immediate price for this outrageous and flagrant exertion of the radical GOP’s legislative muscle under the Brownback administration," said Kansas NOW in a statement Thursday, referring to conservative Republican Gov. Sam Brownback. "The freedom and right to legal healthcare has been denied to the women of Kansas."
UPDATE: In a statement issued Thursday evening, Peter Brownlie, president of Planned Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri, seemed to hold out some hope that its clinic could still obtain a license to continue operating, even as the organization sought an injuction to block the law from taking effect. "We have been targeted in this bill and Kansas women are the ones who will suffer if their health care is taken away," said Brownlie. "This is radical, extreme government intrusion into private health care."
UPDATE 5:45 PM EST THURSDAY: The Associated Press is reporting that the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, after initially denying a license to Planned Parenthood, has now changed their mind. Stay tuned for more updates. PP said inspectors were back at the clinic Thursday reevaluating it, after earlier this week indicating that they would not be able to obtain one.
UPDATE 6:08 PM EST THURSDAY: Planned Parenthood just announced that the health department has, in fact, decided to grant it a license to continue operating. The PP clinic in Overland Park will remain open. "Notwithstanding that the regulations are burdensome and unnecessary, the findings of the inspection indicate what we have known and said throughout this process: Planned Parenthood operates with the highest standards of patient care and has rigorous safety procedures in place," Brownlie said.
UPDATE 7:15 PM EST FRIDAY: A federal judge in Kansas City has blocked the new abortion clinic regulations from taking effect.

Kansas Judge Blocks Abortion Clinic Regs | Mother Jones
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A judge in Kansas has blocked the state's strict new regulations on abortion providers from taking effect, a move that will allow all three clinics in the state to continue offering services, the Kansas City Star reports.

On Friday afternoon, U.S District Judge Carlos Murguia granted a request from two clinics—Aid for Women in Kansas City and the Center for Women's Health in Overland Park—to grant temporary relief from the new rules, which took effect July 1. The clinics were denied a license to continue operating after the state issued new rules on June 17 that would have required both clinics to make major changes to their facilities. A third clinic, owned by Planned Parenthood, was granted a license to continue operating on Thursday.

The injunction will remain in place until the court hears the formal challenge to the state's regulations.

"This is a tremendous victory for women in Kansas and against the underhanded efforts of anti-choice politicians to shut down abortion providers in the state," said Center for Reproductive Rights president Nancy Northup, which joined with the clinics in filing the legal challenge to the law, in a statement Friday evening. "The facts were clear—this licensing process had absolutely nothing to do with patient health or safety and everything to do with political shenanigans."

The Kansas legislature passed a new law in April creating a new designation for abortion providers under the state's licensing system, and directed the Department of Health and Environment to issue new rules. The department issued 36-pages of rules on June 17 (though the clinics did not receive copies until June 20), mandating things like the size of waiting and recovery rooms, the number of bathrooms, and the required temperatures for each room in the facility. Clinic owners argued that it was impossible to meet the new standards, given that they were released just two weeks before the clinics were required to comply. Moreover, they argued, the rules had little to do with protecting patients and were designed to shut down the clinics.

This type of law, often called "targeted regulation of abortion providers," or "TRAP" laws, isn't exactly new or unique, but Kansas' would have gone farther than others in actually shutting down abortion providers.

Kate Sheppard covers energy and environmental politics in Mother Jones' Washington bureau. For more of her stories, click here. She Tweets here. Get Kate Sheppard's RSS feed.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-07-05 10:28:40
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I don't have enough battery life for the impending shitstorm.
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By Asura.Ina 2011-07-05 10:32:06
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I just got a bowl of chips... *sits back to watch*
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By Bahamut.Josseppi 2011-07-05 10:42:54
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More *** behing hurled by the right wing sociopaths. We don't want government in our lives, but we are going to make sure it is all up in the lives and businesses of people we don't agree with. How any rational person would vote for these folks is beyond me. Oh wait, I know what it is, dedication to $$$ and a flying spaghetti monster over all else.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-07-05 10:44:30
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The Right-Wing nutjobs sure are adamant about bringing new life into a world they're absolutely positive isn't going to last more than another year or so.
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By Bahamut.Josseppi 2011-07-05 10:46:39
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Odin.Zicdeh said:
The Right-Wing nutjobs sure are adamant about bringing new life into a world they're absolutely positive isn't going to last more than another year or so.

Gotta make things right before the rapture.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-07-05 10:48:11
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proud non voter here! Don't care for either side!
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-07-05 10:50:20
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
proud non voter here! Don't care for either side!


That's part of the problem, there shouldn't be "Sides" it should be a consensus.


At this point, it might as well be Crips V Bloods. There is no realistic "Middle Ground", if it's something the Liberals support, it's automatically something all Conservatives have to oppose, that's not how you get things done...
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By Valefor.Taliko 2011-07-05 10:54:26
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Glad i'm Canadian.
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-07-05 10:55:30
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Valefor.Taliko said:
Glad i'm Canadian.

-High five-
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By Odin.Blazza 2011-07-05 10:58:37
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tl;dr: But personally, I'm much more a fan of retrospective abortion.
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By Siren.Mosin 2011-07-05 10:59:44
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have you ever been making breakfast, cracked an egg, & thought "why can't all abortions be this delicious?"
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-07-05 11:00:36
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If you abused your child you should have aborted it.

Simple.
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2011-07-05 11:02:30
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Basically what I got from it was that they aren't outright saying no they can't do it, it's just the procedures to obtain the license has become overly stupid so that they are more forced to shut down.


I could care less either way let people do what they want but I find the way that the gov't does some stuff just utterly stupid and manipulative.
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By Asura.Arkanethered 2011-07-05 11:09:59
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Underlaying social agendas.... Yay for accomplishing nothing.
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2011-07-05 11:15:10
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Odin.Zicdeh said:
The Right-Wing nutjobs sure are adamant about bringing new life into a world they're absolutely positive isn't going to last more than another year or so.
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By Carbuncle.Shayala 2011-07-05 11:26:23
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Wow! Are they trying to force a return to desperate women seeking backstreet abortions?

So glad I live in the UK and we have the right to choose.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-07-05 11:28:46
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I wonder what happens if you "kill a fetus" in self defense.

For example you are attacked by a pregnant woman w/ a bat and you defend yourself, which, in result "kills the fetus" she's carrying. I say it in quotations so there isn't really a debate as to whether or not you can actually kill one, lol
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-07-05 11:31:24
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Let's try not to turn this into a political party bash. Both major political parties are terrible choices.

On topic: Abortion should be a choice made by the mother (and father if applicable), not the government.
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Phoenix.Kirana said:
Abortion should be a choice made by the mother (and father if applicable), not the government.

^^^This^^^ (Despite my position on abortion in most cases.)
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2011-07-05 11:52:24
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Phoenix.Kirana said:
Let's try not to turn this into a political party bash. Both major political parties are terrible choices.

On topic: Abortion should be a choice made by the mother (and father if applicable), not the church.

^
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-07-05 11:54:02
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said:
I'm a rebel because I bring up how much I hate religion all the time

lol'd
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By zahrah 2011-07-05 11:57:19
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Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said:
I'm a rebel because I bring up how much I hate religion all the time

lol'd

/grin
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2011-07-05 12:04:15
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Phoenix.Kirana said:
Let's try not to turn this into a political party bash. Both major political parties are terrible choices.

Amen, lol never going to happen though. This si the internet, and here, anything politically conservative is bad.

Phoenix.Kirana said:
On topic: Abortion should be a choice made by the mother (and father if applicable), not the government.

I wonder, does that mean:

1. The government should not fund abortions.
2. The government should fund, but no more (and no less) than other procedures. (Like, for example, if [government healthcare program] paid 50% of X, it pays 50% of an abortion.)
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By Carbuncle.Mightymog 2011-07-05 12:10:40
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I know my opinions are not going to be in the majority of those who read and post on these boards, but I think the issue of abortion comes down to the issue of what you believe, and than what you think your roll in regards to public welfare is.

For instance, I am a firm believer that life begins at conception, therefor any choice to kill an unborn child would be no different to me than the killing of any other human being. You may argue the point of when life begins all day, but most baby's have a heart beat at 6 weeks old, I am the father of 2 small children, I was there for their births, and I saw how they recognized my voice from before their birth, I am pretty convinced on this issue. So the question is how far am I responsible for ensuring that my fellow humans are not killing each other around me?

Are we responsible for just ourselves, the community we live, the country as a whole or the entire world? If I knew my next door neighbor was about to be killed in his sleep, I would without a doubt lend a hand. Usually I am all for government staying out of private issues, people have the right to make choices, and I am not sure where the line should be drawn on this partiuclar issue, but I feel obligated to stand up for what I believe just as anyone else would for any injustice they thought was occurring.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2011-07-05 12:23:04
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Carbuncle.Flionheart said:
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said:
I'm a rebel because I bring up how much I hate religion all the time

lol'd

Aww, im not one of the cool kids yet? I must try harder then.

The right to life is a religious issue before a political one. Or are you going to say that the major organizations pushing the ban on abortions aren't churches and individuals in bed with the church?
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2011-07-05 12:25:48
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Carbuncle.Mightymog said:

For instance, I am a firm believer that life begins at conception, therefor any choice to kill an unborn child would be no different to me than the killing of any other human being.

That's cute.

You think this is a debate on where life begins, and not where person-hood begins.

Life is a continuum. It is a description of biological processes where amino acids form into complex protein structures to develop the most effective distribution of entropy.

Your sperm is alive. Her eggs are alive.

The resulting combination of DNA is "alive". So life doesn't "begin at conception", it continues to evolve from that point.

The legal stance here is at what point can that continuum be stopped to prevent the further development of what could have been. Extremely conservative activists would have you believe that even using contraceptives is murder/against "god", as it prevents the "continuum" of life from happening by preventing the sperm from meeting the egg. You would have us believe that preventing the continuum from happening any time after RNA/DNA sequencing occurs between the chromosomes is "murder" because "life has begun".

This is clearly not true on a scientific or legal standpoint and you're just as bad as the people advocating not using contraceptives.

You have your right to believe that however, just take some time and think about the ramifications of that decision path if taken to it's extreme (where people want to take it). Ask yourself this (I'd like your answer here as well): Would you be ok with the church (or the government on behalf of the church) telling your wife that she is not allowed to take birth control? (I'm not equating abortion to birth control, but rather making a parallel to government intrusion into reproductive decisions of women).
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2011-07-05 12:28:24
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That's very well put.

Another side that always drives me nuts is that I think the debate on abortions takes away from what the real problems are - the things that cause people to get them. We can, and do, talk all day about abortion and what to do about it, why, when, etc etc. But I think most people would agree that no one wanting one would be even better.

But really, it's pretty ridiculous for me to think we could solve all of the contributing problems in a way that satisfies everyone.
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-07-05 12:28:29
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/*** sigh

Want to save space on this website? Get rid of the entire Politics and Religion section.
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By Asura.Arkanethered 2011-07-05 12:39:02
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I want less government unless that government is forcing my beliefs on others... That sounds oddly familiar.
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