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Abortion
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2011-07-08 02:27:28
Leviathan.Niniann said: Ragnarok.Anye said: :< no one invited me!
:<! Next time I PM you it won't be about issues it'll be... HEY ANYE THERE'S THIS THREAD COME PLAY! :O IF ONLY THAT WERE THE CASE IN EVERY SITUATION, SIGH
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-08 02:29:48
Ragnarok.Anye said: IF ONLY THAT WERE THE CASE IN EVERY SITUATION, SIGH
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Awww... :< *pats*
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2011-07-08 02:31:24
lol, it's fine. :)
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-08 02:32:59
Ragnarok.Anye said: lol, it's fine. :)
>:3 <3
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-07-08 02:42:27
Yay, more love in this thread... less hatin and mudslingin :P
By Halfpint 2011-07-08 14:38:41
Aldiel said: Answer: 1. it's not a clump of cells.... By the time most women are sure they are between 6 and 8 weeks along and the baby looks like a little human being, not a clump. 2. rubbing your penis inside a vagina without birth control is irresponsible, and neglecting responsibility has consequences. Your analogy should read "I was refused treatment because I wouldn't quit drinking radioactive mercury". And yes, a doctor will refuse to treat someone that is blatantly disregarding the advice of their primary care provider. Take my mom for example, her doctor has refused to continue treating here because she would not quit smoking cigarettes after having a stroke. The doctor cannot help her because she refuses to help herself. Help not to have an abortion by putting on a condom instead of being a dumbass. You're welcome.
hmmm some educationn is on order.........
1) http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-6-weeks
can't copy this picture from work, but does not look like a small human to me.
you must be thinking of this: http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-13-weeks
2) who are responding to.....not disagreeing with this, but condoms, birth control pills, spermacides, withdrawl and opting for anal sex are not 100% protection. There is always the chance of pregnancy.
The only thing that is 100% proof against is not getting her fluids anywhere near his fluids so the little swimmers have no chance of finding their way to the final goal.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-07-08 14:46:12
Wait Halfpint, how is anal not 100% effective? lol
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-07-08 14:48:07
Last page was idiotic to say the least.
Ifrit.Eikechi said: Wait Halfpint, how is anal not 100% effective? lol Need a lot of bad luck but if from doggy position sperm flows down and enter the vagina, yeah it may happen...though of course you're also Donald Duck's relative for catching such a low chance...
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-08 14:48:57
Ifrit.Eikechi said: Wait Halfpint, how is anal not 100% effective? lol
Sperm can find it's way easily into the vagina. The area between the vagina and anus is like less than an inch (or at least mine is).
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-07-08 14:49:54
Omg! Freak!
By zahrah 2011-07-08 14:50:53
Leviathan.Niniann said: Ifrit.Eikechi said: Wait Halfpint, how is anal not 100% effective? lol
Sperm can find it's way easily into the vagina. The area between the vagina and anus is like less than an inch (or at least mine is).
What? How do you know the thickness of the wall between your vagina and anus?!? O.o
By Artemicion 2011-07-08 14:51:05
Leviathan.Niniann said: Ifrit.Eikechi said: Wait Halfpint, how is anal not 100% effective? lol
Sperm can find it's way easily into the vagina. The area between the vagina and anus is like less than an inch (or at least mine is).
The only 100% is not doing anything at all.
Many contraceptives including birth control pills, condoms, even spermicide and vasectomies (both male and female), though very effective, are never quite 100%.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-07-08 14:52:17
Artemicion said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Ifrit.Eikechi said: Wait Halfpint, how is anal not 100% effective? lol
Sperm can find it's way easily into the vagina. The area between the vagina and anus is like less than an inch (or at least mine is).
The only 100% is not doing anything at all.
Many contraceptives including birth control pills, condoms, even spermicide and vasectomies (both male and female), though very effective, are never quite 100%. Well oral is 100%(though I've met many dumb girls who asked me "I swallowed, will I get pregnant?")
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-08 14:53:28
zahrah said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Ifrit.Eikechi said: Wait Halfpint, how is anal not 100% effective? lol
Sperm can find it's way easily into the vagina. The area between the vagina and anus is like less than an inch (or at least mine is).
What? How do you know the thickness of the wall between your vagina and anus?!? O.o
Oh I wasn't talking about the wall D: Just the separation between the entrance to the vagina and the anus.
Artemicion said: The only 100% is not doing anything at all.
Many contraceptives including birth control pills, condoms, even spermicide and vasectomies (both male and female), though very effective, are never quite 100%.
Pretty much this. But if you take the precautions I wouldn't live in fear of getting pregnant/getting someone pregnant. Cases where this stuff doesn't work(if used correctly) is very rare.
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By Asura.Chuuuuu 2011-07-08 14:53:31
:| everything seeps out of anal lol some goop near the vag is enough to have the little guys swim up :P
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-08 14:54:26
Phoenix.Sehachan said: Well oral is 100%(though I've met many dumb girls who asked me "I swallowed, will I get pregnant?")
UNLESS YOU SPIT THE *** OUT INTO A POPSICLE MAKER AND MAKE A SPERMSICLE AND USE IT AS A ***!
Edit: On second thought the sperm would probably die. I guess you could spit it out and douche with it! >_>;
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-07-08 14:55:15
I don't think anyone's arguing that they are.
I think it's silly though to say that because it's not 100% we should abstain from sexual intercourse entirely if we aren't willing to have a child. That's like saying don't ever suck on a Jolly Rancher if you don't want to choke.
Sex is a natural act. While not as necessary as eating, we've been doing it much longer than we have been sucking on candy (har har har, I know) and so I think it may be worth looking at it from that angle. While abstaining is effective, why should we all do it?
We have the Heimlich Maneuver for when a Jolly Rancher is lodged in your throat. We don't let people die because they should have abstained from sucking candy.
Why should this be that much different?
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-07-08 14:55:30
Leviathan.Niniann said: Phoenix.Sehachan said: Well oral is 100%(though I've met many dumb girls who asked me "I swallowed, will I get pregnant?")
UNLESS YOU SPIT THE *** OUT INTO A POPSICLE MAKER AND MAKE A SPERMSICLE AND USE IT AS A ***! Even I wouldn't go that far! wtf?!
By Artemicion 2011-07-08 14:56:23
Phoenix.Sehachan said: Artemicion said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Ifrit.Eikechi said: Wait Halfpint, how is anal not 100% effective? lol
Sperm can find it's way easily into the vagina. The area between the vagina and anus is like less than an inch (or at least mine is).
The only 100% is not doing anything at all.
Many contraceptives including birth control pills, condoms, even spermicide and vasectomies (both male and female), though very effective, are never quite 100%. Well oral is 100%(though I've met many dumb girls who asked me "I swallowed, will I get pregnant?")
Well, in regards to pregnancy yes.
I was kinda speaking on behalf of all STDs including pregnancy.
By zahrah 2011-07-08 14:56:26
Ugh...I need to stay out of these thread when they turn this direction.
Problems.
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-08 14:56:44
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: I don't think anyone's arguing that they are.
I think it's silly though to say that because it's not 100% we should abstain from sexual intercourse entirely if we aren't willing to have a child. That's like saying don't ever suck on a Jolly Rancher if you don't want to choke.
Sex is a natural act. While not as necessary as eating, we've been doing it much longer than we have been sucking on candy (har har har, I know) and so I think it may be worth looking at it from that angle. While abstaining is effective, why should we all do it?
We have the Heimlich Maneuver for when a Jolly Rancher is lodged in your throat. We don't let people die because they should have abstained from sucking candy.
Why should this be that much different?
I'd let you die.
(KIDDING OMG!)
By Artemicion 2011-07-08 14:58:15
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: I don't think anyone's arguing that they are.
I think it's silly though to say that because it's not 100% we should abstain from sexual intercourse entirely if we aren't willing to have a child. That's like saying don't ever suck on a Jolly Rancher if you don't want to choke.
Sex is a natural act. While not as necessary as eating, we've been doing it much longer than we have been sucking on candy (har har har, I know) and so I think it may be worth looking at it from that angle. While abstaining is effective, why should we all do it?
We have the Heimlich Maneuver for when a Jolly Rancher is lodged in your throat. We don't let people die because they should have abstained from sucking candy.
Why should this be that much different?
You are very well spoken. I tip my hat to you good sir.
By Artemicion 2011-07-08 15:06:40
There's some wisdom and truths here embedded deep in the perversion.
At least you can't say it isn't amusing lol.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-07-08 15:08:03
Well aside from the popsicle it's all informative talk, the thread hasn't derailed.
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By Asura.Chuuuuu 2011-07-08 15:10:11
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Artemicion said: There's some wisdom and truths here embedded deep in the perversion.
At least you can't say it isn't amusing lol. wisedom lol yes the goop flowing out and the one inch mystery revealed : p you know its true. goop everywhere
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By Asura.Chuuuuu 2011-07-08 15:11:35
well maybe if the guy used a condom there would be no goop but meh :P
y u erase ur post?! i saw it
vs Kansas:
Kansas to Shut Down All but One Abortion Clinic Friday | Mother Jones
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/06/kansas-shut-down-all-abortion-clinics-friday
Quote: This story has been updated below.
It's official. Every abortion provider in the state of Kansas has been denied a license to continue operating as of July 1. As we reported last week, strict new state laws put in place this month threatened to close the remaining three abortion clinics in Kansas. The staff of one of these facilities, a Planned Parenthood clinic in Overland Park, initially thought their operation could survive the strict new standards. But on Thursday afternoon, Planned Parenthood announced that the Overland Park clinic has thus far been denied a license to continue operating—effectively cutting off access to legal abortion in the entire state.
The new law, which takes effect Friday, establishes new standards for abortion providers—standards apparently designed to make compliance difficult. The rules require changes to the size and number of rooms, compel clinics to have additional supplies on hand, and even mandate room temperatures for the facilities. Given that the rules were released less than two weeks before clinics were expected to be in compliance, many providers knew they wouldn't be able to obtain a license to continue operating. The laws, often called "targeted regulation of abortion providers," or TRAP laws, are an increasingly common legislative maneuver to limit access to abortion by redering it tough, if not impossible, for providers to comply.
With today's announcement that the Overland Park clinic was denied a license, Kansas becomes the first state to effectively make the legally protected right to obtain abortion services moot. One clinic in Kansas has already filed suit against the new rules, and a hearing on that suit is planned for Friday. Planned Parenthood is also expected to sue. The clinics are also expected to seek an injunction to block the law from being enforced. UPDATE: Planned Parenthood has filed suit. They are seeking an emergency injunction to allow their clinic to remain open while the lawsuit is pending.
"The women of Kansas waiting on their scheduled procedures will pay the immediate price for this outrageous and flagrant exertion of the radical GOP’s legislative muscle under the Brownback administration," said Kansas NOW in a statement Thursday, referring to conservative Republican Gov. Sam Brownback. "The freedom and right to legal healthcare has been denied to the women of Kansas."
UPDATE: In a statement issued Thursday evening, Peter Brownlie, president of Planned Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri, seemed to hold out some hope that its clinic could still obtain a license to continue operating, even as the organization sought an injuction to block the law from taking effect. "We have been targeted in this bill and Kansas women are the ones who will suffer if their health care is taken away," said Brownlie. "This is radical, extreme government intrusion into private health care."
UPDATE 5:45 PM EST THURSDAY: The Associated Press is reporting that the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, after initially denying a license to Planned Parenthood, has now changed their mind. Stay tuned for more updates. PP said inspectors were back at the clinic Thursday reevaluating it, after earlier this week indicating that they would not be able to obtain one.
UPDATE 6:08 PM EST THURSDAY: Planned Parenthood just announced that the health department has, in fact, decided to grant it a license to continue operating. The PP clinic in Overland Park will remain open. "Notwithstanding that the regulations are burdensome and unnecessary, the findings of the inspection indicate what we have known and said throughout this process: Planned Parenthood operates with the highest standards of patient care and has rigorous safety procedures in place," Brownlie said.
UPDATE 7:15 PM EST FRIDAY: A federal judge in Kansas City has blocked the new abortion clinic regulations from taking effect.
Kansas Judge Blocks Abortion Clinic Regs | Mother Jones
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/07/kansas-judge-blocks-abortion-clinic-regs
Quote: A judge in Kansas has blocked the state's strict new regulations on abortion providers from taking effect, a move that will allow all three clinics in the state to continue offering services, the Kansas City Star reports.
On Friday afternoon, U.S District Judge Carlos Murguia granted a request from two clinics—Aid for Women in Kansas City and the Center for Women's Health in Overland Park—to grant temporary relief from the new rules, which took effect July 1. The clinics were denied a license to continue operating after the state issued new rules on June 17 that would have required both clinics to make major changes to their facilities. A third clinic, owned by Planned Parenthood, was granted a license to continue operating on Thursday.
The injunction will remain in place until the court hears the formal challenge to the state's regulations.
"This is a tremendous victory for women in Kansas and against the underhanded efforts of anti-choice politicians to shut down abortion providers in the state," said Center for Reproductive Rights president Nancy Northup, which joined with the clinics in filing the legal challenge to the law, in a statement Friday evening. "The facts were clear—this licensing process had absolutely nothing to do with patient health or safety and everything to do with political shenanigans."
The Kansas legislature passed a new law in April creating a new designation for abortion providers under the state's licensing system, and directed the Department of Health and Environment to issue new rules. The department issued 36-pages of rules on June 17 (though the clinics did not receive copies until June 20), mandating things like the size of waiting and recovery rooms, the number of bathrooms, and the required temperatures for each room in the facility. Clinic owners argued that it was impossible to meet the new standards, given that they were released just two weeks before the clinics were required to comply. Moreover, they argued, the rules had little to do with protecting patients and were designed to shut down the clinics.
This type of law, often called "targeted regulation of abortion providers," or "TRAP" laws, isn't exactly new or unique, but Kansas' would have gone farther than others in actually shutting down abortion providers.
Kate Sheppard covers energy and environmental politics in Mother Jones' Washington bureau. For more of her stories, click here. She Tweets here. Get Kate Sheppard's RSS feed.
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