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Abyssea exp = bad player?
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-06-28 15:41:12
Odin.Zicdeh said: Personally, my only issue with Abyssea XP is that it killed the act of Leveling as an aspect of the game. While grinding was tedious a lot of the time, it was also very rewarding more than that.
Couldn't agree more.
My entire gripe with Abyssea is a purely selfish one.
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By Siren.Sehbeh 2011-06-28 15:41:38
Fenrir.Fearforever said: Siren.Sehbeh said: I'm not off work for another hour today. When i get home its time for WHM AF and coffer farming!
AF? Abyssea leech and full Teal ftw
More so that i just want it to have it. I can at least wear it while i leach insted of standing naked giving afkers something to fap to.
By Eluveitie 2011-06-28 15:43:50
I never leech jobs I'm seriously going to 90 with. Solo to 75 then abyssea. Now on the flip side I wanted maats cap a long time just as a personal challenge. Stuff like BRD I don't give a rats *** about ill SMN burn to 30 and leech to 66 np simply cuz it dosent matter if I know my job or not. My BLU I soloed to 76 cuz I didn't wanna be another full aurore blu who only has pollen coccoon and foot kick.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-06-28 15:44:34
Eluveitie said: I never leech jobs I'm seriously going to 90 with. Solo to 75 then abyssea. Now on the flip side I wanted maats cap a long time just as a personal challenge. Stuff like BRD I don't give a rats *** about ill SMN burn to 30 and leech to 66 np simply cuz it dosent matter if I know my job or not. My BLU I soloed to 76 cuz I didn't wanna be another full aurore blu who only has pollen coccoon and foot kick.
Why?
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By Fenrir.Didgist 2011-06-28 15:46:19
Grimace stole Anantaboga off someone about a week ago and then lost it back to the original party. After it died he stood there for 30 minutes doing nothing and then warped. Always funny to watch someone *** out after going on the aggressive.
Disappointed in myself, someone was wiping Bria two days ago and I took it, sent alliance, and gave them drops. I'm a softy, it sucks.
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By Fenrir.Fearforever 2011-06-28 15:47:09
Shiva.Flionheart said: Eluveitie said: I never leech jobs I'm seriously going to 90 with. Solo to 75 then abyssea. Now on the flip side I wanted maats cap a long time just as a personal challenge. Stuff like BRD I don't give a rats *** about ill SMN burn to 30 and leech to 66 np simply cuz it dosent matter if I know my job or not. My BLU I soloed to 76 cuz I didn't wanna be another full aurore blu who only has pollen coccoon and foot kick.
Why?
Why?
Leech the job then you'll have far more time to get trials/+1, +2 gear etc.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-06-28 15:49:53
Fenrir.Didgist said: Grimace stole Anantaboga off someone about a week ago and then lost it back to the original party. After it died he stood there for 30 minutes doing nothing and then warped. Always funny to watch someone *** out after going on the aggressive.
Disappointed in myself, someone was wiping Bria two days ago and I took it, sent alliance, and gave them drops. I'm a softy, it sucks.
Nope, that is being human. Cutthroat bottom feeders should be locked in cages.
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By Eluveitie 2011-06-28 15:53:09
Shiva.Flionheart said: Eluveitie said: I never leech jobs I'm seriously going to 90 with. Solo to 75 then abyssea. Now on the flip side I wanted maats cap a long time just as a personal challenge. Stuff like BRD I don't give a rats *** about ill SMN burn to 30 and leech to 66 np simply cuz it dosent matter if I know my job or not. My BLU I soloed to 76 cuz I didn't wanna be another full aurore blu who only has pollen coccoon and foot kick.
Why? Because I wanna ACTUALLY KNOW my job. Not just go oh snap I have sekkanoki now but I don't know what the hell it does or when to use it. Its sad when I as WHM/BLM stuns more than the BLM mains. So I have more time for AF3 +2. SO FKN WHAT. I could have full +2 and Almace on my BLU and it wouldn't mean ***if I had no technique. Imho way you play > gear.
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2011-06-28 15:53:41
Only job that you shouldn't abyssea burn is BLU.
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By Leviathan.Joyroth 2011-06-28 15:55:37
Burning BLU isn't bad if your commit to back tracking and learning spells.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-06-28 15:55:39
Eluveitie said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Eluveitie said: I never leech jobs I'm seriously going to 90 with. Solo to 75 then abyssea. Now on the flip side I wanted maats cap a long time just as a personal challenge. Stuff like BRD I don't give a rats *** about ill SMN burn to 30 and leech to 66 np simply cuz it dosent matter if I know my job or not. My BLU I soloed to 76 cuz I didn't wanna be another full aurore blu who only has pollen coccoon and foot kick.
Why? Because I wanna ACTUALLY KNOW my job. Not just go oh snap I have sekkanoki now but I don't know what the hell it does or when to use it. Its sad when I as WHM/BLM stuns more than the BLM mains.
You can gain that knowledge by reading up on the job though.
Especially seeing jobs at 90 is played way differently than it is at any earlier.
I don't understand people soloing jobs when there's a faster option available for them.
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By Fenrir.Havster 2011-06-28 15:56:07
Was finishing off a Dagger in Waj woodlands last night on THF and wandered to the Puk camp, was a DNC there in 3/5 Aurore and a DNC in AF3.
So I grabbed the Aurore player and asked the other one to recieve "im playing solo right now".
I said ok no problem that is your right but may I ask why? we are all on the same trial.
"I dont help gimps"
After a lot of laughing on my part I said do I fall into the catagory then?
"No but he's wearing that pink ***".
They then proceeded to Spectral and run off.
I checked pinky and they had Suppa, Rajas, Brutal, Swift and snipers. Not long ago this was top slot gear and clearly the player had done the rounds.
Not going to state the names in this as its pointless but I was absolutely disgusted with them, first time in 6-7 (lost count) years ive seen someone be THAT MUCH of a *** they will exclude and slag someone off to their own detriment. Slightly gimped or not its faster kills!!
As it happens we done 250 Puk kills in 1 sitting with the two of us, he smashed things up, knew to stand still and let me work SA/TA. Made me laugh even more when wind day wasnt even finished and we were back in Jeuno.
So Abys burned doesnt make the player a bad player at all imo.
I do however agree that you should keep the job under lock and key for events until skilled up and geared with required macro gears etc.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2011-06-28 15:56:51
Shiva.Flionheart said: Eluveitie said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Eluveitie said: I never leech jobs I'm seriously going to 90 with. Solo to 75 then abyssea. Now on the flip side I wanted maats cap a long time just as a personal challenge. Stuff like BRD I don't give a rats *** about ill SMN burn to 30 and leech to 66 np simply cuz it dosent matter if I know my job or not. My BLU I soloed to 76 cuz I didn't wanna be another full aurore blu who only has pollen coccoon and foot kick.
Why? Because I wanna ACTUALLY KNOW my job. Not just go oh snap I have sekkanoki now but I don't know what the hell it does or when to use it. Its sad when I as WHM/BLM stuns more than the BLM mains.
You can gain that knowledge by reading up on the job though.
Especially seeing jobs at 90 is played way differently than it is at any earlier.
I don't understand people soloing jobs when there's a faster option available for them.
There's nothing "wrong" with opting to go the long route, though, is there? Especially if the individual thinks they will get something out of it.
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By Phoenix.Uzugami 2011-06-28 15:58:13
Eluveitie said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Eluveitie said: I never leech jobs I'm seriously going to 90 with. Solo to 75 then abyssea. Now on the flip side I wanted maats cap a long time just as a personal challenge. Stuff like BRD I don't give a rats *** about ill SMN burn to 30 and leech to 66 np simply cuz it dosent matter if I know my job or not. My BLU I soloed to 76 cuz I didn't wanna be another full aurore blu who only has pollen coccoon and foot kick.
Why? Because I wanna ACTUALLY KNOW my job. Not just go oh snap I have sekkanoki now but I don't know what the hell it does or when to use it. Its sad when I as WHM/BLM stuns more than the BLM mains.
Not hard to learn how to play a job by leeching it. Leech it, read up about it while doing so, ask questions on forums about said job if you're unsure. I tend to find people who have problems with leeches think it promotes gimps. But fact is they'd be gimps even if they didn't leech!
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-06-28 15:59:08
Leviathan.Joyroth said: Burning BLU isn't bad if your commit to back tracking and learning spells.
Only due to the skill up process. Either you bot that or you spend hours and hours going insane after each pollen cast.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-06-28 15:59:09
Fenrir.Terminus said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Eluveitie said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Eluveitie said: I never leech jobs I'm seriously going to 90 with. Solo to 75 then abyssea. Now on the flip side I wanted maats cap a long time just as a personal challenge. Stuff like BRD I don't give a rats *** about ill SMN burn to 30 and leech to 66 np simply cuz it dosent matter if I know my job or not. My BLU I soloed to 76 cuz I didn't wanna be another full aurore blu who only has pollen coccoon and foot kick.
Why? Because I wanna ACTUALLY KNOW my job. Not just go oh snap I have sekkanoki now but I don't know what the hell it does or when to use it. Its sad when I as WHM/BLM stuns more than the BLM mains.
You can gain that knowledge by reading up on the job though.
Especially seeing jobs at 90 is played way differently than it is at any earlier.
I don't understand people soloing jobs when there's a faster option available for them.
There's nothing "wrong" with opting to go the long route, though, is there? Especially if the individual thinks they will get something out of it.
There's nothing wrong with it, but it's hardly necessary. And the time you spend on that could be spent on something more beneficial like making gil for gear or getting seals.
I don't understand the mindset of people who think they need to solo a job to 75 to understand it. I'd solo a job to 30 to get to abyssea levels and that'd be enough for me.
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By Fenrir.Havster 2011-06-28 16:00:56
Shiva.Flionheart said: Odin.Zicdeh said: Personally, my only issue with Abyssea XP is that it killed the act of Leveling as an aspect of the game. While grinding was tedious a lot of the time, it was also very rewarding more than that.
Couldn't agree more.
My entire gripe with Abyssea is a purely selfish one.
This.
I actually enjoyed meeting people, continuously bumping into the same tanks etc and knowing what to expect.
I genuinely miss that.
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By Eluveitie 2011-06-28 16:01:45
Reading up isn't the same as experience. However this comes from I do not participate in organized ls events. Solo/lowman you gotta know your opponent and your own abilities and when to use them.
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2011-06-28 16:02:05
Leviathan.Draylo said: Leviathan.Joyroth said: Burning BLU isn't bad if your commit to back tracking and learning spells. Only due to the skill up process. Either you bot that or you spend hours and hours going insane after each pollen cast. It's because BLU is the only job where being able to use certain spells is dependant solely on your skill level.
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By Phoenix.Uzugami 2011-06-28 16:03:01
Eluveitie said: Reading up isn't the same as experience.
It is in the sense half of the people who even level normally anymore don't bother reading up on the job anyway. FFXI is not hard.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-06-28 16:03:38
Eluveitie said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Eluveitie said: I never leech jobs I'm seriously going to 90 with. Solo to 75 then abyssea. Now on the flip side I wanted maats cap a long time just as a personal challenge. Stuff like BRD I don't give a rats *** about ill SMN burn to 30 and leech to 66 np simply cuz it dosent matter if I know my job or not. My BLU I soloed to 76 cuz I didn't wanna be another full aurore blu who only has pollen coccoon and foot kick.
Why? Because I wanna ACTUALLY KNOW my job. Not just go oh snap I have sekkanoki now but I don't know what the hell it does or when to use it. Its sad when I as WHM/BLM stuns more than the BLM mains. So I have more time for AF3 +2. SO FKN WHAT. I could have full +2 and Almace on my BLU and it wouldn't mean ***if I had no technique. Imho way you play > gear. Because you stun so much in exp pts, they will prepare you to stun NMs like a pro!
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By Leviathan.Joyroth 2011-06-28 16:03:42
Leviathan.Draylo said: Leviathan.Joyroth said: Burning BLU isn't bad if your commit to back tracking and learning spells.
Only due to the skill up process. Either you bot that or you spend hours and hours going insane after each pollen cast. ._. yea was kinda nerve wrecking for a few spells. But still did it.
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By Fenrir.Havster 2011-06-28 16:05:16
L55-75 was colibri..... and then more colibri and oh oh Mamools.... until Colibri camp is open.
Thats hardly getting experience at a job imo. No variance in the mob, is just a grind. Might as well skip them levels after 3 hours fighting them...... waitttttttttttt a minute!!!!!
I do however think they should have locked Abyssea to L60+ for the economic aspect and to keep old zones alive.
Too late to enforce now tbh, but retrospectively it would have been wise.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-06-28 16:05:25
Eluveitie said: Reading up isn't the same as experience.
Experience soloing?
Partying and soloing are completely different, even if it were at the same level.
If you've played one DD you've played them all essentially, and anything slightly different can be read up.
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By Leviathan.Joyroth 2011-06-28 16:05:39
Ramuh.Laffter said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Leviathan.Joyroth said: Burning BLU isn't bad if your commit to back tracking and learning spells. Only due to the skill up process. Either you bot that or you spend hours and hours going insane after each pollen cast. It's because BLU is the only job where being able to use certain spells is dependant solely on your skill level. That's just on the player and what you are fighting. This goes for any job with no skills up to par. Wiffmaster on a DC mob
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By Siren.Kunimatsu 2011-06-28 16:06:45
Eluveitie said: Reading up isn't the same as experience.
I know people who have played since NA release and are still unbelievably bad at their jobs.
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2011-06-28 16:07:45
Leviathan.Joyroth said: Ramuh.Laffter said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Leviathan.Joyroth said: Burning BLU isn't bad if your commit to back tracking and learning spells. Only due to the skill up process. Either you bot that or you spend hours and hours going insane after each pollen cast. It's because BLU is the only job where being able to use certain spells is dependant solely on your skill level. That's just on the player and what you are fighting. This goes for any job with no skills up to par. Wiffmaster on a DC mob Still using level 1 spells at 90 isn't cool.
Without high skill, not only will the spells have no effect at all, but you don't even have many spells to use in the first place. And if the spells don't work, you don't get skillups.
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By Leviathan.Joyroth 2011-06-28 16:07:58
It all just depends on the person behind the controller/keyboard I say.
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2011-06-28 16:10:00
Eluveitie said: I never leech jobs I'm seriously going to 90 with. Solo to 75 then abyssea. Now on the flip side I wanted maats cap a long time just as a personal challenge. Stuff like BRD I don't give a rats *** about ill SMN burn to 30 and leech to 66 np simply cuz it dosent matter if I know my job or not. My BLU I soloed to 76 cuz I didn't wanna be another full aurore blu who only has pollen coccoon and foot kick.
This is a mindset I totally agree with. If I want to take a job to 90, its because its a job I enjoy playing. I find it more enjoyable to slowly get stronger, rather than do no real work for hours just to have it at max level.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-06-28 16:10:57
The only job I'm dubious to leech is RNG because it's going to be a *** to skill up
I am coming up on a month into my return to FFXI. I am still getting used to abyssea and all that it offers players. There is one thing that i do not understand. The thing is: Why do people say that if you lvl a job in abyssea you are bad, gimp, noob, etc...??
I am currently lvling up WHM, and i am doing so by leaching exp off abyssea alliances or my friends farming runs. I try to look from all points of view. Someone might power level themselves almost overnight 30>90. This being said you do not have allot of time to cap your magic/combat skills, thus creating a "bad player".
But what about someone who has played FFXI since release? I will use myself as an example again here: I am lvling WHM in Abyssea. RDM was my first 75 way back when, then BLM, then THF. My magic skills have long been capped and merited. My combat skills have long been capped and merited. If I power level WHM to 90 I will have all my skills leveled up already.
What gives one player the right to lvl a job in abyssea over another player? Nothing IMO. So why all the hate towards anyone who lvls jobs in abyssea?
I hope some of you can shed light on this for me.
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