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Logical Fallacies and You!
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-06-14 11:27:47
Leviathan.Angelskiss said: The comment of the panties being in a bunch is a logical fallacy. You assume I wear panties.
=)
Haha!
Joking aside, it's not a logical fallacy.
It's a presumption. And not all presumptions are logical fallacies.
Just like all analogies are not logical fallacies, and all comparisons are not logical fallacies, and all questions are not logical fallacies.
Which is pretty much my entire point of emphasis in contributing to this thread.
Once again, my thanks, Angelkiss!
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-14 11:29:34
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Leviathan.Angelskiss said: And I am the combative one trying to engage in verbal war? lol..
/slides out of the thread
Edit: The comment of the panties being in a bunch is a logical fallacy. You assume I wear panties.
=) more of a cultural implication.
Ifrit.Daemun said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Fairy.Spence said: No one answered me :( the question to elana? or?
Leviathan.Angelskiss said: Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Why do I see you making verbal war all the time?
:P
You obviously don't read all I post =/
@ Elana- You are welcome :) Okay, not all the time.
But it does seem quite often that you are in a combative state. Incoming sarcastic, obligatory, sexist remark Women are always in a combative state due to their feeling of inferior respect osnap, incoming /ragequit
continuation of informal logical fallacies:
Non Causa Pro Causa:
Correlation does not imply causation esentially I do believe.
Damn it's busy here at work today.
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One-Sidedness
Red Herring Fallacy
Special Pleading
Vagueness
Weak Analogy I'm the example courier today.
You're welcome
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By Leviathan.Angelskiss 2011-06-14 11:29:47
I do enjoy debating with you Elana, whether we are on the same side or not.
:P even if people do see us at war
Also, I stand corrected. =)
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-06-14 11:31:08
Ifrit.Daemun said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Fairy.Spence said: "Have you ever cheated on your girlfriend?" is a loaded question, isn't it? Implying you have a girlfriend?
No, it is not a loaded question.
However, it does presume a context where it's been established that the listener has (or had) a girlfriend, yes.
I worded the example that way in comparison to the previous example "Are you still cheating on your girlfriend?", which IS a loaded question. One in which is easily defeated if the addressee is on their toes. Of course I would presume most loaded questions are aimed to trap people who aren't
Correct, and correct.
The addressee would simply need to state "I have never cheated on my girlfriend" instead of a simple "yes" or "no" response.
And yes, loaded questions, and all intentionally used logical fallacies are typically used to ensnare listeners who have weak reasoning skills.
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-06-14 11:32:15
Leviathan.Angelskiss said: I do enjoy debating with you Elana, whether we are on the same side or not.
:P even if people do see us at war
Also, I stand corrected. =)
Now the only question that remains is:
Are you still not wearing any panties?
(loaded question)
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By Leviathan.Angelskiss 2011-06-14 11:33:28
Are you still trying to find out if I wear panties sir?
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-14 11:33:57
Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Leviathan.Angelskiss said: I do enjoy debating with you Elana, whether we are on the same side or not.
:P even if people do see us at war
Also, I stand corrected. =)
Now the only question that remains is:
Are you still not wearing any panties?
(loaded question) she endorses the website merkinforlurkin.com.
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-14 11:34:29
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: People take the concept of a "troll" way too seriously imo, some people don't notice the doin it wrong/imply from the implied etc. Did you move topics because we (I) didn't take your bait over there?
Trollin' ain't easy, is it? ; )
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-14 11:34:59
Leviathan.Angelskiss said: Are you still trying to find out if I wear panties sir? I prefer ones that don't so let's just leave it to the imagination, eh?
EDIT: Yes, I am from TX. No, not Canada
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By Leviathan.Angelskiss 2011-06-14 11:37:35
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
she endorses the website merkinforlurkin.com.
I was not sure what the website was so I googled it..
came up with
Was not sure the relevance but it did amuse me. =)
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-14 11:40:24
Leviathan.Angelskiss said: Ramuh.Vinvv said:
she endorses the website merkinforlurkin.com.
I was not sure what the website was so I googled it..
came up with
Was not sure the relevance but it did amuse me. =) "merkin" is the related term.
the lurkin portion was just a rhyme scheme.
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By Leviathan.Angelskiss 2011-06-14 11:42:09
:X Gross Vin. Gross.
By zahrah 2011-06-14 11:42:54
Leviathan.Angelskiss said: The comment of the panties being in a bunch is a logical fallacy. You assume I wear panties.
=)
You crack me up, ma'am!
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By Leviathan.Angelskiss 2011-06-14 11:43:43
zahrah said: Leviathan.Angelskiss said: The comment of the panties being in a bunch is a logical fallacy. You assume I wear panties.
=)
You crack me up, ma'am! I simply love you z gurl <3 With that I must start my day :(
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-14 11:47:04
Leviathan.Angelskiss said: zahrah said: Leviathan.Angelskiss said: The comment of the panties being in a bunch is a logical fallacy. You assume I wear panties.
=)
You crack me up, ma'am! I simply love you z gurl <3 With that I must start my day :( I'm 4 hrs into my work day...so buzz off
zahrah said: Leviathan.Angelskiss said: The comment of the panties being in a bunch is a logical fallacy. You assume I wear panties.
=)
You crack me up, ma'am! Late to the party I see
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-14 11:47:41
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Ifrit.Daemun said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: People take the concept of a "troll" way too seriously imo, some people don't notice the doin it wrong/imply from the implied etc. Did you move topics because we (I) didn't take your bait over there?
Trollin' ain't easy, is it? ; ) Yar, I believe a "whoosh" is in the makes too- I'll leave it for the next post tho lol. Find the Peanut pic from Jeff Dunham and post it... would be a great addition to that thread.
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-14 11:49:24
I see nothing... but I can quote it
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-14 11:50:47
Ifrit.Daemun said: I see nothing... but I can quote it
 Marilyn Monroe....and Einstein?!?!? WTF.
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-14 11:51:57
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-14 11:54:24
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: I start my day by slapping the alarm clock and felt good about it. I usually start my day by regretting how late I stayed up the night before
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-14 12:00:03
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: I kinda feel kinda sick tbh tho- kids and their germs >_>;; Sorry to hear that. I almost never got sick, and then I had kids.
Apparently I have an image fetish today
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-06-14 12:02:39
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: People take the concept of a "troll" way too seriously imo, some people don't notice the doin it wrong/imply from the implied etc.
This is getting off-topic, but "trolling" is just plain stupid. But equally stupid are those who seem to think anyone who posts frequently or has strong opinions is "trolling".
Trolling is the act of purposefully and intentionally instigating others into heated debate, especially when the troll doesn't have an opinion on the topic s/he creates, and doesn't care who wins the ensuing debate, as long there is plenty of drama and verbal warfare.
Apparently, a troll can become regarded as a "really good troll" is s/he is capable of cleverly carrying out his/her trolling without making it obvious to unsuspecting readers. I understand this, but I think it's ridiculous and dumb. It's akin to lauding a "really good" litterer because s/he is capable of cleverly disguising his/her efforts to pollute the planet.
So, much like my previous complaint about users hastily "crying foul" when they erroneously think they've identified a logical fallacy, internet users tend to overuse the term "trolling", almost to the point now where the term has lost its original meaning, and really doesn't even have a definable definition.
One doesn't call a jackass or a dumbass a "litterbug". One calls a jackass a jackass, and a dumbass, a dumbass. Don't say someone is "trolling" unless s/he is trolling.
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-14 12:05:25
Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: People take the concept of a "troll" way too seriously imo, some people don't notice the doin it wrong/imply from the implied etc.
This is getting off-topic, but "trolling" is just plain stupid. But equally stupid are those who seem to think anyone who posts frequently or has strong opinions is "trolling".
Trolling is the act of purposefully and intentionally instigating others into heated debate, especially when the troll doesn't have an opinion on the topic s/he creates, and doesn't care who wins the ensuing debate, as long there is plenty of drama and verbal warfare.
Apparently, a troll can become regarded as a "really good troll" is s/he is capable of cleverly carrying out his/her trolling without making it obvious to unsuspecting readers. I understand this, but I think it's ridiculous and dumb. It's akin to lauding a "really good" litterer because s/he is capable of cleverly disguising his/her efforts to pollute the planet.
So, much like my previous complaint about users hastily "crying foul" when they erroneously think they've identified a logical fallacy, internet users tend to overuse the term "trolling", almost to the point now where the term has lost its original meaning, and really doesn't even have a definable definition.
One doesn't call a jackass or a dumbass a "litterbug". One calls a jackass a jackass, and a dumbass, a dumbass. Don't say someone is "trolling" unless s/he is trolling. Yes, but if done lightheartedly and conspicuously, it is usually fun for the whole family.
Ex. What I just did in the "hmm, lets see how many ppl are wrong" thread
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-14 12:05:29
I find trolling to be at the heart of logical fallacies as they play off of exactly that.
So I was stumbling around on http://www.stumbleupon.com and I came upon this: taxonomy of logical fallacies
I think I'm just going to cover it(paraphrasing pretty much, each of the items on the link provided direct you to a definition and explanation of the term) step by step, maybe throw in a few examples. Welp, here's the first one.
Logical Fallacy-
the word "fallacy" can be a bit vague and ambigous, frequently it is used to mean "common factual error", logical fallacy is a bit different, it shares the meaning in it being a error, but rather than a specific factual error it's more a common error in reasoning.
further ambiguity is conveyed through "type" and "reason", I'll slap on a quotation here for this:
Quote: 1.Type: In this sense, a logical fallacy is a type of error, that is, a class of many similar instances of bad reasoning.
2.Instance: In this sense, a logical fallacy is an instance of bad reasoning, that is, a specific argument rather than a class of them.
So, again
Quote: Logical Fallacy = a common type of error in reasoning.
Logical fallacies are subdivided into three categories, I'll cover the one that doesn't branch out further first.
Loaded Question-
Quote: "How am I to get in?" asked Alice again, in a louder tone.
"Are you to get in at all?" said the Footman, "That's the first question, you know." A loaded question is a question with a false, disputed, or question-begging presupposition.
Ex.
Quote: Why should merely cracking down on terrorism help to stop it, when that method hasn't worked in any other country? Why are we so hated in the Muslim world? What did our government do there to bring this horror home to all those innocent Americans? And why don't we learn anything, from our free press, about the gross ineptitude of our state agencies? about what's really happening in Afghanistan? about the pertinence of Central Asia's huge reserves of oil and natural gas? about the links between the Bush and the bin Laden families?
Loaded questions are chock full of false or questionable presuppositions(see:ASSUMPTIONS).
The question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" presupposes that you have beaten your wife prior to its asking, as well as that you have a wife. If you are unmarried, or have never beaten your wife, then the question is loaded.
I was going to go with the whole wife beating one but I'd rather go with one that I heard quite frequently growing up.
"Does your Mom know that you are gay? Yes or No?"
Answering both yes and no makes you "gay" in the context of that conversation.
Makes me wonder at what point I correlated the word gay with homosexual and past that when negativity was associated with the word.
I'm going to try to just cover this over time because it's a pretty large set of items.
edit-6/16/11-
If you follow the thread I went through each of the primary informal fallacies, here is a comprehensive list full of links for each subcategory.
I plan to change this further so that I will include all the previously mentioned fallacies that did not contain sub-fallacies.
Either way if you want to see a more elaborated version of my input for this you can follow the thread to see each fallacy I have mentioned so far, while looking through the thread you can also see many of these fallacies in action.
informal fallacy continuation----EXPANDED EDITION-----
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One Sidedness
Quoting Out of Context
Ambiguity
Amphiboly
Scope Fallacy
Accent
Equivocation
Redefinition
Red Herring
Straw Man
Genetic Fallacy
Appeal to Misleading Authority
Appeal to Celebrity
Etymological Fallacy
Ad Hominem
Poisoning the Well
Bandwagon Fallacy
Two Wrongs Make a Right
Tu Quoque
Appeal to Consequences
Appeal to Force
Wishful Thinking
Emotional Appeal
Guilt by Association
The Hitler Card
Non Causa Pro Causa
Cum Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc
Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc
Regression Fallacy
Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy
Vagueness
Fake Precision
Slippery Slope
Appeal to Nature
Begging the Question
Loaded Words
Question-begging Analogy
Weak Analogy
Unrepresentative Sample
Hasty Generalization
Anecdotal Fallacy
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