The Top 5 DD

I can keep my MP up just fine in Abyssea *without* MM, so yeah, you are doing something wrong there.

You just know shitty DNCs.

You are basing this on what? This whole thread is just a joke, you can't obviously make logical conclusions with the info given. No mob level given, no HP or other stats, no indication if it attacks back etc. It was all a trap.

OK, K-Club break down for a non outside buffed DRK
~195 delay @capped gear haste
Average hit/round = 3.82
18 attack rounds in 1 minute of souleater
~69 hits (lol)
Lets roughly assume ~250dmg from souleater hits, your looking at something like 17k damage I guess before any Accuracy subtractions.
Granted, a large amount, but only for 1 minute.

Blue Mage Dual wielding Almace/Khanda

224 + 264 * .80 (dual wield trait+sup) * .59 (41% haste from capped gear & spell) = 230.336

I can't even remember how ***truncates so let's add 2 to this value for good measure and leave it at 232 combined delayed.

1 of these weapons multihits 2-4 @ a rate of 40/30/20/10 apparantly. I think it would be fair to essentially say this adds an extra hit. So 232 delay for effectively 3 hits.

15 attack rounds *3 = 45, Probably also fair to assume a decked out Blue Mage will be doing somewhere in the ~120dmg per hit range average = 5400/min & I think that is conservative as I average 120hit+ with lolsoulsaber. Not including Chant OR spells, that's just DOT, and that is the DOT/min, every minute, for 5 minutes not factoring in crits which would also push it more into the swords favour rather than the club. Also forgot to factor in Double Attack trait lol.
Adding spells, I estimate a Blu could cast Quad 3 times a minute, every minute for 5 mins with ~800mp base and native refresh and still have a little spare (. Personally This spell tends to average around 2k for me. So it's now closer to 12k/min....still not including Chant WS (I have no parse values for it as I do not own Almace -.-)... for the full 5 mins...


Do I really have to go on?

Yellow capabilities were nerfed when the spell list was cut in half.

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Regardless of who's right or wrong, every blue mage, from every server, of any race, using any of their magics...are incredibly huge self-stroking-epeeners.
It's a fact.

+1 lol

I'm quite humble really :)

lol
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I don't hate you nor do i even want to. I used to have hearty chuckles watching you and Neon go back and forth. I just was enjoying the page 1 banter until it got derailed into "blu vs. the world". I just leveled blu, and recognize that it has more potential than i used to give it credit for. I do not think that blu deserves the credit that you give it. That and i'm a drg and drk so i'm emo by nature.

Actually you can TP in 26% haste and 7MP a tick with Zelus Tiara(8%) + AF3+2 body(3% 2MP/tick)+ Twilight belt(7%) + Dusk hands+1(4%) + AF3+2 legs(4%) + Serpentes Sabots(1MP/tick) at day time + auto refresh and battery charge.


Although KC DRK looks pretty good DD in such situation, you also have to remember that it has no haste buffs, no BRD song no haste spell no feint, and 2hr only last for 30 sec, but you have to hit the mob for 5 min. It's not gonna do as much as it supposed to be.

Quote for *** truth.

I know one humble BLU, that's it.

What are you fighting? Against xp mobs or anything with normal/moderate defense, nobody is going to beat a BLU in overall damage. Even just spamming delta thrust is enough to put them ahead. It's a free 1k damage every 10 seconds, and free because it's 28 mp. That's not even mentioning the other spells that you can spam in the meantime. In response to the mp argument, convert says hi, and since the kc posters are assuming outside support, add in ballad + refresh ii if you really need it. I do einherjar on BLU all the time with just refresh ii, pull every mob and whirl of rage > dream flower them to death. MP is never an issue. I convert before the boss and we're ready to go.

The reason the majority of them are stroking their epeen is because any crappy geared BLU can still out-damage any DD just by spamming delta thrust alone. BLU is basically the bandwagon SAM of 75.

me :))

Orly? Desperate blows says hi.

only main blue mages i've ever met on all of pandemonium (and asura too now i suppose) would want to ballista me after i talked them down via +2k pentas and whatnot, which during such i'd just backstep all their spells and laugh at them as i used strictly not-gekko to provide them the sliver of hope they'd ride on day in and day out

either way though, garbage job etc

bro... that hurts.

I would love to see the DRG who can 2k+ penta a job that can hit 800 defence AND -50% PDT.

bim i think you're forgetting a few key factors here... 1 being the absurdly low dmg of the 2-4 hit khanda.. i dont think you'd get 120 per hit with that thing.. i dont think it would even be close, honestly. You're also not factoring in spell cast time interrupting your swings. (idk about mp cost, but 3 quad conts a min, for 5m is 15 casts..in addition to the intial cast of ani wail and battery charge..do you really have that kind of mp?) you're also not account for WS dmg (on both the drk and the blu side) obviously the drk isn't gonna keep using the k club after Soul Eater is done, if infact thats the route the drk would take... Do not get me wrong.. I'm not even advocating that the drk is the best thing since sliced bread...I think HF Vere mnk is pretty damn high too... I'm just saying blu isn't in that league I dont think, givin the situation the OP gave....

samurai, not drg, and this is reference to back at 75 where polearm sam would pretty much crush everything

by no means would penta, or any ws come even close to 2k in ballista at 75, especially multi-hits due to the nerf on them inside the matches; closest you'd get to 2k would be 1.5 or so with sidewinder on rng/war against a moron mage with no stoneskin and no -physical gear

I'll admit, a lot are. Usually the ones who only know half truths about blu and take about their one big spell. However most of the time (At least back in the day, not sure about now I don't play anymore) it's just that the majority of people would say that a blu cannot keep up with other DD or perform other tasks, so when blu's reason back that they can perform as well as other jobs when played correctly it seems like they are just trying to big themslves up.

I'm thinking of the following in no exact order.

Ukon WAR (Need I say more? Sekka ukko's then meditate and ukkos more. you now have hate and can ride retaliation)
Caladbolg DRK (Desperate Blows and ODD is hot with caladbolg's delay and -25% delay you swing fast)
Mythic DRG (OaT DRG would be good, but Mythic is bad ***)
Almace BLU (BLU obviously due to spells, Almace is icing on the cake)
Masamune/Amano(90) SAM (Amano at 90 is pretty sweet right?)
Vere MNK (Nice DoT and Spike damage perfectly balanced)
Gandiva RNG (Can Sekka J.R., Skillchain, Barrage with ODD up. J.R. Again, Eagle-Eye Shot, Meditate, J.R. Again and if lucky score some double shots for full TP again to J.R. if the mob lives lol)
Ragnarock(90) WAR/DRK? (No clue atm)


I'll leave it to you guys to list the order meh. If I forgot anything then sorry.

yus

Most of my BLU friends are humble, much more humble than I, lol

must be because your server's name is cranbucle

Isn't Desperate Blows for 2h weapon? So it doesn't help KC....

I think this is the best Drk KC zerg set I can come up with atm... Not that it matters.



31% haste and about 500+ in HP. Would have been sex at 75.

Tbh it really depend on the level of the mob, if mob lv is low enough to hit 1k with Delta Thrust, then there won't be any MP issue and a good chance BLU is gonna win, you can spam Delta thrust forever and never run out of MP, but other DD WS isn't going to increase that much against low lv mobs.

Against high lv mob BLU will fall behind though, this tread is pointless without knowing the level of the mob really.

Kannagi ninja
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