The Top 5 DD

Guessing you haven't played Blue Mage (only have it at 49 i see). No Blu, if even half minded, will be out of mp after one minute. Much less five.

And to your Edit:

Your forgetting that a blu with CDC can still do damage without MP a good blu knows how to manage mp so there is not that opportunity where they are completely out of MP. But that aside, WAR SAM MNK DRK BLU not in that order.

BLU imo.. then I would put DRK WAR SAM then MNK


also can the jobs 2HR? wonder where chainspell RDM ends up

how is a blu's mp gonna last 5m (while still doing the "most" dmg) WITHOUT refresh atmas? battery charge + auto refresh is only 4/tick add in 2 gears for refresh (and we're gimping dmg already) and you're still only at 6/tick.... plz explain how your mp is gonna last a full 5m? (didn't the OP say no outside buffs, which would include atma refreshes....cuz if we got buffs..again haste/march k club zerg says hi).. And sorry for beating a dead horse here...I'm just VERY confused as to all this blu jock riding here.... I have 90 blu and I know it doesn't pale in comparison to k club zerg drk action

oh shoot, wrong 5 d's

/RDM

saying you dont need a healer and dont need a tank doesn't make sense.

You guys talking about attacking a wall? pretty cool..

to make the other jobs viable as solo you need to make adjustments that will lower your dmg output like subing /DNC or some ***or bring in a healer which changes the whole situation yet again. lots of these jobs that do crazy dmg need a healer the best DD WAR is made of glass for example

lol Kclub drk

With that being said, using blu af3+2 body, 1 tick of refresh from trait, and battery charge, your looking at 6mp a tick in full 26% haste gear.

yeah sounds aabout right, a Training Dummy and see who causes more E-pen dmg in 5 mins

Ignoring the fact that, even if a definitive answer was presented, it means absolutely nothing(akin to debating the most formidable job in Conflict: who cares?), your target's level and defense make a big difference here. DRK/WHM is going to win if you're true to keeping the comparison as neutral as possible. An initial KC 'zerg followed by a mostly sustainable 65% haste is going to keep them in the lead by a fair margin. Behind that, level correction and pDIF start to matter a lot more. Fudo SAM/WAR and Gandiva RNG/WAR are likely to come out on top in any pDIF favorable situation, while an Ukko's WAR/SAM is going to obliterate them if attack matters.

And for the people suggesting BLU, you seem to be enthusiastic to mention your large repertoire of buffs, without considering the time you'd spend actually using them. BLU won't be able to sustain itself and be competitive to any of the above simultaneously.

Did I mention this is pointless?

one more time guys... OP said no subs... so blu/rdm isn't cutting it here.. and again.. how is 6/tick refresh gonna maintain your mp for 5 FULL minutes..... what spells would you cast to out dmg a k club drk, or even a mnk with HF? PLEASE EXPLAIN lol

To be fair, a lot of people's idea of a DPS comparison is essentially two different setups attacking a wall.

and Night, what does blu/rdm have to do with dmg anyways? *still confused*

Convert, but I forgot about the no subjob restriction.

Most of what I see so far in this thread is "lolspikedamage" when the OP is asking for sustained damage over 5 minutes. Any mage job pretty much loses immediately due to MP issues. My guess is that it'll be between dnc (lots of haste, force-crit rudra, skillchains), drk (lots of haste and zerg damage), war (high DPS all around, ukko's), sam (high DPS, skillchains). I've never seen a Ryunohige DRG in action, but that would probably be up there too.

edit: not worth it <.< wtf @ this thread

Oh yes, I suppose I should mention the 5 minute prep time the OP said. and the fight being 5 minutes. With our haste, stoneskin, and refresh lasting just that amount of time... /rollseyes

Didn't notice the preparation time bit, which drastically skews the outcome(spoilers: not in BLU's favor).

specifically saying no outside buffs and no outside healer is what makes the best DD jobs sound stupid.. what good is a high output DD job dead on the ground?

A BLU with /RDM could maintain MP for 5 mins and do massive damage, I wouldn't put DNC in the top 5 at all, maybe I'm ignorant about the potential of a DNC all I know is DNCs take 9 years to kill something and hit really really quick..

i still have yet to hear from a blu as to what spells they would cast lol... you're NOT gonna maintain your mp for 5 full minutes, considering some spells cost 90 or more mp alone... the high dmg spells take a lot of mp and we're in a non-aby situation where there are no atma buffs

You seem to forget that BLU can DD with swords... with SELF HASTE lol. It's not only about spamming MP.

Drk

If I was fighting a wall, I'd probably go with Ukon WAR.

you ever take a BLU friend to old content? I do.. it's absolute rape.

blu's DD with swords with self haste (hi to you drk with haste belt enchantment....) is still not gonna swing for nearly as much as a drk with souleater (even if it doesn't last the full 5m, the amount of dmg its going to be ahead (and you can switch to something better when bloodweapon wears off and still maintain high haste) is so great, its not even funny...)

this makes me sad my friend just sold his kclub =\

Mavi mintan+2 says gtfo

Over 5 mins, not including 2 hour, Blu probably.
Over 5 mins, including soon to be Blu 2 hour, Blu definately.
Over 5mins, including 2 hour currently. Couldn't say, possibly Sam.
Including 2 hour alters the playing field somewhat though with the imminent addition to Blu's 2-hourdoesn't really change anything.

Blu, solo, has ~40% Haste for the full 5 minutes and an easy 6/tic Refresh before swapping out DD pieces. Consider this as adding 600mp to there pool of anywhere between 700-1k I guess depending on race. Natively can set Double Attack, Dual Wield II, Store TP, Fast Cast & so on.
Add to this an Almace offhanding a multi-hit AND the ability to solo SC themselves, it is not only one of, if not THE top potential DD in any low buff situation (and high buff), but also the most versatile job in the game.

However

Fully merited/geared Caldbolg DRK with 3mins of ~50% Haste, 2mins @26% thanks to Desperate blows, Souleater + aftermath (I'm assuming by "pure DD" your implying healing is a non issue). Would quite possibly be the single largest source of damage in the game over 5 mins IF done properly.

Kraken club would fail, even with healing covered, you'd have 1min of Souleater @26% haste with a C- (which is the difference of like ~70 combat skill @90) weapon. NO outside buffs remember and presumeably a mob that matters (ie, you will not be capping hit rate on it with a club lol). Of course if you did have a decent hit rate on whatever it is, starting with KClub and switching to Cal would probably be applicable.


I am not shocked that Blu has retained the overall stigma it always had as being a sub par DD, a solid 95% of the people who play it have no idea wtf they are doing and continue to ruin it's reputation. It is also without argue the single most gear intensive job in the game and the reason I originally started using spellcast, I think most players just cannot be bothered to push it. Personally I was consistantly parsing top 3 at every event @75 when it was considered lol & even parsed comparatively against BLMs for slightly longer nuke fights (I forget what the fish NM in sea is called, been too long) thanks to our spells efficiency over time, solidifying an almost permenant spot in my LS at the time as a Blue Mage (as much as the leader hated it). Pretty much the only thing I changed for were Kirin/Baha zergs.