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Azure lore upgrade
By Bimbam 2011-06-03 06:46:16
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While the job ability Azure Lore is in effect, it will be possible to perform skillchains and magic bursts with blue magic.
.....hot :D
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-06-03 06:49:21
Bimbam said: Quote: Blue Mage
While the job ability Azure Lore is in effect, it will be possible to perform skillchains and magic bursts with blue magic.
.....hot :D
Finally gonna be a rather good 2hr.
Gonna be really hot for zering down stuff fast!
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By Asura.Vyre 2011-06-03 07:07:08
Vertical Cleave >>> Quadratic Continuumy goodness.
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By Fenrir.Curty 2011-06-03 07:11:50
Trying to think of the best spell order to ditch out high damage.
The first idea off the top of my head is Goblin Rush> Efflux Benthic Typhoon (Gravitation) > CA Quad Continuum (Darkness) > BA Everyone's Grudge.
After that SC can disservment>Vertical Cleve (or vice versa) (Darkness) > Regurgitation
Not even totally sure that'll work ha, let me know if i'm wrong. Also Don't even know if it is worth the cast time of magical spells if you can get a really good long SC off of physical spells going.
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By Fenrir.Shishiza 2011-06-03 07:19:44
Fenrir.Curty said: Trying to think of the best spell order to ditch out high damage.
The first idea off the top of my head is Goblin Rush> Efflux Benthic Typhoon (Gravitation) > CA Quad Continuum (Darkness) > BA Everyone's Grudge.
After that SC can disservment>Vertical Cleve (or vice versa) (Darkness) > Regurgitation
Not even totally sure that'll work ha, let me know if i'm wrong. Also Don't even know if it is worth the cast time of magical spells if you can get a really good long SC off of physical spells going.
is there anyway you can make Light from spells, this'll atleast bring out a potential Charged whisker burst, I should know this but sadly, it's been a long time since I've taken blue mage seriously.
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By Asura.Vyre 2011-06-03 07:21:07
Fenrir.Shishiza said: Fenrir.Curty said: Trying to think of the best spell order to ditch out high damage. The first idea off the top of my head is Goblin Rush> Efflux Benthic Typhoon (Gravitation) > CA Quad Continuum (Darkness) > BA Everyone's Grudge. After that SC can disservment>Vertical Cleve (or vice versa) (Darkness) > Regurgitation Not even totally sure that'll work ha, let me know if i'm wrong. Also Don't even know if it is worth the cast time of magical spells if you can get a really good long SC off of physical spells going. is there anyway you can make Light from spells, this'll atleast bring out a potential Charged whisker burst, I should know this but sadly, it's been a long time since I've taken blue mage seriously. Ram Charge >>> Goblin Rush should do it.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-06-03 07:33:53
Oh my god.
They just broke Azure Lore.
FINALLY!
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-06-03 07:46:43
Just tossing my two cents out from an Old FFXI stand point.
The old point of a SC was to open up pt collaboration and allow Magic Bursting. Since Azure Lore would allow doing SC and MB, to get the max potential out of AL would it be best to have some fast spells to MB your SC?
So like Spell 1 (Physical Open) > Spell 2 (Physical Close) + Spell 3 (Magic Burst) > Spell 4 (Level 3 SC) + Spell 5 (Magic Burst)
Casting time would have to be calculated in, but as long as no one interupts you (in some zerg situations people will hold back, ie- SAM 2hr in Nyzul) wouldn't this be the best way to go at it?
...unless of course it messes up your current spell set or something silly.
Incase your wondering I have no BLU experience other than what my friend knows. I just miss the good ol days of called out SC and Timed MB'n. I may make my friend try this out and let me MB off him
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By Sylph.Krsone 2011-06-03 07:54:03
UB trolling in a blu thread and you dont even have the job!
Nice title btw.
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By Bismarck.Lighttaru 2011-06-03 07:56:21
Bimbam said: Quote: Blue Mage
While the job ability Azure Lore is in effect, it will be possible to perform skillchains and magic bursts with blue magic.
.....hot :D
i just made in my pants, TYYYYY SE
now if only azure would stay a bit longer :P
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By Odin.Blazza 2011-06-03 09:01:11
The more steps a skillchain has, the higher the resulting skillchain. Not sure how it effects MBs, but in the time it takes for us to cast any one magical spell, we could have cast two or three physical spells, and we have enough of them to do a pretty serious chain in the 30 seconds that AL is up for.
Chain Affinity > Savage Blade > Quad Continuum > Azure Lore > Cannonball > Vertical Cleave > Ram Charge > Disseverement > Goblin Rush > Benthic Typhoon > Quad Continuum.
That would be Distortion > Fusion > Gravitation > Fragmentation > Distortion > Fusion > Gravitation > Darkness, assuming there's no limit on the number of steps. You could also get someone to top that all off with a relic or empyrean ws for double darkness.
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By Fenrir.Curty 2011-06-03 09:07:15
nice one blazza, although I think somehow ending in CA Quad for darkness will produce a lot more damage than beginning with Savage Blade> CA Quad. (Azure Lore Grants 300% tp bonus to CA)
Maybe something like... Expiciation > Cannonball> VC> Ram Charge> Disservement> Goblin Rush> Efflux Benthic Typhoon> CA Quad Continuum
Thoughts?
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By Odin.Blazza 2011-06-03 09:13:21
Who knows, I just worked out the most steps I thought you'd be able to make in 30 seconds (+ a little extra for the initial savage blade > Quad), and jiggled it around to have the stronger spells towards the end of the chain. Obviously if there's time you'd add in Efflux on my version before the last Quad, and providing enough time on AL, your method may very well do more total damage from the AL+CA despite being one step shorter.
Trial and error will find out the answer. There's also a risk of missing. Ram Charge, Cannonball, Vertical Cleave and Benthic Typhoon are all single hit and prone to missing, which will *** up the entire chain.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2011-06-03 09:21:05
Unless there's some kind of limit they're going to put on Azure Lore Skill Chain steps, then I'm pretty sure you can keep on going through skill chains, iirc I've seen a SAM do a 7 step skillchain, using sekkanoki, TP wing, meditate, Meikyo shisui you should know the drill, so I doubt it'd be impossible for BLUs.
Only problem with Weapon skilling within Azure Lore now would be the animation times and the small window it causes inbetween the WS and the next spell.
Edit: Derp, I should read things properly before opening my mouth
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By Cerberus.Sey 2011-06-03 09:33:54
Get happy all you want. Someone will always interrupt your skillchains.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2011-06-03 09:34:24
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By vengeances 2011-06-03 09:45:32
yea...with all the fast cast and some of the cast times (aka vertical cleave)...i think not....lol they would just adding to the chain of damage if anything...a good blu would just work with what was created and make another continuing sc x.x
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-06-03 09:47:54
Cerberus.Sey said: Get happy all you want. Someone will always interrupt your skillchains. As much as I'd like to be impressed, this pretty much limits the upgrade's usefulness in group situations.
Still, from a solo perspective, I'd love to see what can be done.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2011-06-03 09:56:51
Except you don't need a group for anything other than lolvoidwatch. BLM/BRD + BLU/NIN + WHM/RDM go (all procs).
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-06-03 10:22:26
Bismarck.Helel said: Except you don't need a group for anything other than lolvoidwatch. BLM/BRD + BLU/NIN + WHM/RDM go (all yellow procs).
Ftfy. And if solo and the Mob still isnt dead after all those SC, end it with a Magic Burst once Azure Lore is down with Burst Affinity no?
Also, with the update notes....if you want to get crafty the Skillchain itself is going to lower a mobs resistance to the element of the skillchain. So ending in a lvl3 will definately see huge numbers. Then bursting it will rape (if it survives).
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-06-03 10:27:01
I wonder if enchainment or any of the mavi augments will affect 2 hour. I know it's a reach but since this entire thread is speculation anyhow....
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By Odin.Blazza 2011-06-03 10:36:11
I think the only real use for this would be to solo a mob fast. It'll be ***in any sort of zerg because you're relying on no-one else ws'ing for ~35-40 seconds, and even with this, blu would still be far from strong enough to solo zerg something that is traditionally zerged. So I guess, aside from shits and giggles, it'll be a BC type cocktail.
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-06-03 10:40:48
I see great use for this in Nyzul Isle farming. I know that's not as popular as it used to be but BLU is great for climbs and this basically makes any BLU worthy of a SAM's spot. I'll be interested to hear how people use it....even though I don't have BLU leveled, just enjoying speculating :D
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By Odin.Blazza 2011-06-03 10:44:06
I used to tear up nyzul a LOT. Provided refresh, blu owns sam on the climb, but a sam 2-houring will kick blus *** on the boss. If no 2-hour and both are well geared, it's usually about even.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Roark 2011-06-03 10:49:05
thinking it might be useful and will get away with zerging some ridiculous things while soloing, but i dont see someone not interrupting a sc like this...
but regardless of that, is better than what blu has now..and i'm looking forward to it
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-06-03 10:57:59
Odin.Blazza said: I used to tear up nyzul a LOT. Provided refresh, blu owns sam on the climb, but a sam 2-houring will kick blus *** on the boss. If no 2-hour and both are well geared, it's usually about even.
Maybe I should edit my last post.... BLU can replace a SAM for the boss. Used to be @75 you needed one or two SAMs for floor 100 boss. With this update BLU can take a SAMs spot for the boss easily and it will make the climb easier. We always roll with a RDM.
Hope that clarifies it. Wasn't meaning to say SAM > BLU overall
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-06-03 17:02:47
Consecutive SCs off of the same Azure Lore:
SC 1 - Disseverment -> Goblin Rush -> Benthic Typhoon -> Quad. Continuum
SC 2 - Disseverment -> Goblin Rush -> Vertical Cleave -> Quad. Continuum
With Almace:
Quad. Continuum > Cannonball > Benthic Typhoon > Sub-zero smash > Goblin Rush > Chant du Cygne
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-06-03 17:04:49
Eh, it's decent. Still bad duration time though.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-06-03 17:10:21
Ya the duration still stunts it quite a bit. To get in both of those darkness SCs you have to be a wizard at timing.
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By Sylph.Bodhizapha 2011-06-04 08:00:59
Odin.Blazza said: The more steps a skillchain has, the higher the resulting skillchain. Not sure how it effects MBs, but in the time it takes for us to cast any one magical spell, we could have cast two or three physical spells, and we have enough of them to do a pretty serious chain in the 30 seconds that AL is up for.
Chain Affinity > Savage Blade > Quad Continuum > Azure Lore > Cannonball > Vertical Cleave > Ram Charge > Disseverement > Goblin Rush > Benthic Typhoon > Quad Continuum.
That would be Distortion > Fusion > Gravitation > Fragmentation > Distortion > Fusion > Gravitation > Darkness, assuming there's no limit on the number of steps. You could also get someone to top that all off with a relic or empyrean ws for double darkness. holy shitters thats alot of macro spamming to pull that off...im so gonna try that
Quote: Blue Mage
While the job ability Azure Lore is in effect, it will be possible to perform skillchains and magic bursts with blue magic.
.....hot :D
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