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Illegal to kiss in public in america
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-05-29 12:31:16
Ramuh.Krizz said: Artemicion said: Ramuh.Krizz said: I don't think there was any brutality in the video. Maybe if you play it muted (which I typically do). The guy taken down to the ground was warned (to get on his knees) more than once before the cop did so. The cop had his hand on his throat, yeah, but I don't think he was actually choking the guy. He was simply keeping him in place while giving TWO more 'final warnings'. I could be wrong on that, but I seriously doubt there was more than minor pressure on the guy's neck.
I was more bothered by the one cop being unprofessional when he yelled at the guy on the bench to shut up. I don't know if he tried to get the guy to quiet down peacefully before that, but don't sink down to their level.
They could have simply been kicked out if they failed to comply.
Simple as that. I don't see a need to arrest anyone for the sake of dancing in a memorial; whether it is illegal or not. They were specifically told "you will be arrested." If they hadn't been told that, I would agree with you completely.
Eh, it's an awful lot of work and money to arrest 5 people, and to deal with this publicity. The cops knew they were being filmed. They could have requested the protestors take it somewhere else where it was legal.
If they failed to comply after that point it'd probably be warranted to perform an arrest, but they seem to have missed a logical step somewhere there.
If the cops felt threatened maybe a direct jump to an arrest would have made sense, but I counted at least 3 cops there, they likely had it well in hand.
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Which is why I said everything legally within my power. If they're within my bounds, there's no reason not to do it. Oh there most certainly is, the arresting officers are going to have to be debriefed and spend an awful lot of time justifying the force they used. It's an expensive and time consuming process, whether or not the cops were within their legal rights to do what they did.
By Artemicion 2011-05-29 12:31:19
Ramuh.Krizz said: Artemicion said: Ramuh.Krizz said: I don't think there was any brutality in the video. Maybe if you play it muted (which I typically do). The guy taken down to the ground was warned (to get on his knees) more than once before the cop did so. The cop had his hand on his throat, yeah, but I don't think he was actually choking the guy. He was simply keeping him in place while giving TWO more 'final warnings'. I could be wrong on that, but I seriously doubt there was more than minor pressure on the guy's neck.
I was more bothered by the one cop being unprofessional when he yelled at the guy on the bench to shut up. I don't know if he tried to get the guy to quiet down peacefully before that, but don't sink down to their level.
They could have simply been kicked out if they failed to comply.
Simple as that. I don't see a need to arrest anyone for the sake of dancing in a memorial; whether it is illegal or not. They were specifically told "you will be arrested." If they hadn't been told that, I would agree with you completely.
Unfortunately my point is moot in the end because they were deliberately protesting to begin with. They would have disobeyed regardless of how the police decided to treat them. But physically removing them from the place rather than placing an arrest over something asinine seems logical. Then again, knowing a mutual friend that is a cop, they do get a pay bonus for making an arrest on standard check ups/pull overs. Again, ego being in the equation here.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-05-29 12:35:07
Quote: Oh there most certainly is, the arresting officers are going to have to be debriefed and spend an awful lot of time justifying the force they used. It's an expensive and time consuming process, whether or not they were in their legal rights to do what they did. I know my limits, though. I'm not as dumb as those cops. I wouldn't have choke slammed anyone, but if they broke a law, I'm legally allowed to arrest them. If thy want to interrogate me for why I arrested them? Simply enough, they broke a law, so I brought them in.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-05-29 12:36:39
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Quote: Oh there most certainly is, the arresting officers are going to have to be debriefed and spend an awful lot of time justifying the force they used. It's an expensive and time consuming process, whether or not they were in their legal rights to do what they did. I know my limits, though. I'm not as dumb as those cops. I wouldn't have choke slammed anyone, but if they broke a law, I'm legally allowed to arrest them. If thy want to interrogate me for why I arrested them? Simply enough, they broke a law, so I brought them in. Just to clarify, he didn't choke slam him. He had his arms around the guys midsection while taking him to the ground.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-05-29 12:36:52
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Quote: Oh there most certainly is, the arresting officers are going to have to be debriefed and spend an awful lot of time justifying the force they used. It's an expensive and time consuming process, whether or not they were in their legal rights to do what they did. I know my limits, though. I'm not as dumb as those cops. I wouldn't have choke slammed anyone, but if they broke a law, I'm legally allowed to arrest them. If thy want to interrogate me for why I arrested them? Simply enough, they broke a law, so I brought them in. And there I think is the crux of the entire thing. The protestors planned the whole thing poorly, and the cops could have handled the situation better.
Nobody won in this case.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-05-29 12:37:07
I will agree the one cop definitely had a huge ego wearing those shorts.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-05-29 12:37:42
Cerberus.Eugene said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Quote: Oh there most certainly is, the arresting officers are going to have to be debriefed and spend an awful lot of time justifying the force they used. It's an expensive and time consuming process, whether or not they were in their legal rights to do what they did. I know my limits, though. I'm not as dumb as those cops. I wouldn't have choke slammed anyone, but if they broke a law, I'm legally allowed to arrest them. If thy want to interrogate me for why I arrested them? Simply enough, they broke a law, so I brought them in. And there I think is the crux of the entire thing. The protestors planned the whole thing poorly, and the cops handled the situation badly.
Nobody won in this case. We win because we have something to debate. :D
By Artemicion 2011-05-29 12:43:04
Cerberus.Eugene said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Quote: Oh there most certainly is, the arresting officers are going to have to be debriefed and spend an awful lot of time justifying the force they used. It's an expensive and time consuming process, whether or not they were in their legal rights to do what they did. I know my limits, though. I'm not as dumb as those cops. I wouldn't have choke slammed anyone, but if they broke a law, I'm legally allowed to arrest them. If thy want to interrogate me for why I arrested them? Simply enough, they broke a law, so I brought them in. And there I think is the crux of the entire thing. The protestors planned the whole thing poorly, and the cops could have handled the situation better.
Nobody won in this case.
Pretty much this.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-05-29 12:45:39
Artemicion said: Cerberus.Eugene said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Quote: Oh there most certainly is, the arresting officers are going to have to be debriefed and spend an awful lot of time justifying the force they used. It's an expensive and time consuming process, whether or not they were in their legal rights to do what they did. I know my limits, though. I'm not as dumb as those cops. I wouldn't have choke slammed anyone, but if they broke a law, I'm legally allowed to arrest them. If thy want to interrogate me for why I arrested them? Simply enough, they broke a law, so I brought them in. And there I think is the crux of the entire thing. The protestors planned the whole thing poorly, and the cops could have handled the situation better.
Nobody won in this case.
Pretty much this. I can agree with this.
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By Fenrir.Didgist 2011-05-29 13:26:18
I love it when police get shot.
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By Asura.Aineko 2011-05-29 13:32:55
Watched both videos. What I saw was a warning being given, followed by deliberate disobedience. The first couple didn't resist arrest, and were cuffed. The next 3 all resisted arrest and were forced to the ground.
These people intended to be arrested. Last I checked, resisting arrest is a crime, and that one is definitely not an arbitrary one.
While I agree the original law is BS, antagonizing a cop while committing an offense is really not the brightest idea. I do not think the cops did anything wrong.
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By Ragnarok.Faiye 2011-05-29 18:52:40
Ramuh.Haseyo said: It's like singing in a library. People go there for peace and quiet.
People go to a memorial to pay respects in a peaceful manner. Someone dancing and singing can effect that peace and quiet for others.
No, when libraries start arresting people for singing in a library, then it will be apples to apples.
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By Ragnarok.Faiye 2011-05-29 19:10:57
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
- Thomas Jefferson
How very fitting to this situation...
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By Shiva.Deadlydiva 2011-05-29 19:11:59
Cops take the fun outta everything dang,,,, SMH
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By Ifrit.Arawn 2011-05-29 19:13:11
Fenrir.Didgist said: I love it when police get shot.
^^; If only I could find it in me to love it when stupid people get shot.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-05-29 19:13:30
How is a law about not acting like a jackass at the Jefferson Memorial unjust?
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By Hades.Stefanos 2011-05-29 19:36:32
Ragnarok.Faiye said: "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
- Thomas Jefferson
How very fitting to this situation...
What's sad is that they had to make a law for this in the first place. All it really takes is some decency and common sense to not do something stupid like dancing at a place where some respect should be shown.
By zahrah 2011-05-29 19:41:02
Leviathan.Chaosx said: How is a law about not acting like a jackass at the Jefferson Memorial unjust?
You changed your avi!
I completely agree with you. There was even a sign posted on the memorial as to how to conduct yourself. I couldn't read it in it's entirety, but the fact that this guy was intentionally trying to cause a scene after the couple were put in cuffs shows that he was seeking the opportunity to be a jackass at a national monument.
Honestly, I'm not a fan of PDA. I think it's disrespectful to the people around you in general.
Also, this fight "the man" attitude has become absurd! Nothing but a bunch of whiny children who cannot understand what is a legitimate fight and what is trivial. Re-God-damn-diculous!!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-05-29 19:43:51
zahrah said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: How is a law about not acting like a jackass at the Jefferson Memorial unjust?
You changed your avi!
I completely agree with you. There was even a sign posted on the memorial as to how to conduct yourself. I couldn't read it in it's entirety, but the fact that this guy was intentionally trying to cause a scene after the couple were put in cuffs shows that he was seeking the opportunity to be a jackass at a national monument.
Honestly, I'm not a fan of PDA. I think it's disrespectful to the people around you in general.
Also, this fight "the man" attitude has become absurd! Nothing but a bunch of whiny children who cannot understan what is a legitimate fight and what is trivial. Re-God-damn-diculous!! What worse is people are trying to compare them to Rosa Parks.
By zahrah 2011-05-29 19:46:48
Leviathan.Chaosx said: zahrah said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: How is a law about not acting like a jackass at the Jefferson Memorial unjust?
You changed your avi!
I completely agree with you. There was even a sign posted on the memorial as to how to conduct yourself. I couldn't read it in it's entirety, but the fact that this guy was intentionally trying to cause a scene after the couple were put in cuffs shows that he was seeking the opportunity to be a jackass at a national monument.
Honestly, I'm not a fan of PDA. I think it's disrespectful to the people around you in general.
Also, this fight "the man" attitude has become absurd! Nothing but a bunch of whiny children who cannot understan what is a legitimate fight and what is trivial. Re-God-damn-diculous!! What worse is people are trying to compare them to Rosa Parks.
Really? A bunch of, what I'm going to assume, are middle-class, white guys who look like they have nothing better to do? AHHH!!! *** people!
/facepalm
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By Pandemonium.Scrumpet 2011-05-29 19:51:33
zahrah said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: zahrah said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: How is a law about not acting like a jackass at the Jefferson Memorial unjust?
You changed your avi!
I completely agree with you. There was even a sign posted on the memorial as to how to conduct yourself. I couldn't read it in it's entirety, but the fact that this guy was intentionally trying to cause a scene after the couple were put in cuffs shows that he was seeking the opportunity to be a jackass at a national monument.
Honestly, I'm not a fan of PDA. I think it's disrespectful to the people around you in general.
Also, this fight "the man" attitude has become absurd! Nothing but a bunch of whiny children who cannot understan what is a legitimate fight and what is trivial. Re-God-damn-diculous!! What worse is people are trying to compare them to Rosa Parks.
Really? A bunch of, what I'm going to assume, are middle-class, white guys who look like they have nothing better to do? AHHH!!! *** people!
/facepalm
Omg, Zahrah!
You never cease to amaze me! <3
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-05-29 19:52:10
Fenrir.Didgist said: I love it when police get shot.
Seriously?
SERIOUSLY?!
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By Pandemonium.Scrumpet 2011-05-29 19:55:15
Shiva.Flionheart said: Fenrir.Didgist said: I love it when police get shot.
Seriously?
SERIOUSLY?!
By zahrah 2011-05-29 19:59:42
How did you feel about that jack-assery at the Cenotaph last fall?
SCRUMPY!!! <3
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-05-29 20:04:45
zahrah said:
How did you feel about that jack-assery at the Cenotaph last fall?
SCRUMPY!!! <3
Incredibly unhappy lol.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-05-29 20:06:11
And quite frankly they should get the hell out of my country.
By zahrah 2011-05-29 20:06:20
Shiva.Flionheart said: zahrah said:
How did you feel about that jack-assery at the Cenotaph last fall?
SCRUMPY!!! <3
Incredibly unhappy lol.
Me too.
/comfort
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By Siren.Dankdragon 2011-05-29 20:07:10
What a surprise, Flion probably has the most posts in the topic. Why don't you do anything else but troll forums all day?
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