I'm wondering which of the three work the best for general use as a combo, I know twilight knife should be in here, but Idk when I'll be able to land that <.<
opinions/thoughts?
Auric Vs Rappidus Vs Triplus Dagger, General Use Q
auric vs rappidus vs triplus dagger, general use Q
I know im gnna get rated down but this is own opinion.
For starters u would not need to consider rappidus dagger, yes it is good but not better. Depending on ur atma choices (genrally Apoc, RR and TH atma for TH) and ur gear u should be @ cap or almost near enough that ur atmas kick in to give u the extra kick u need.
I for one would go for the triplus dagger purely for the TA stack on to apoc, and twilights quadruple chance givin u the edge of nonstop hit with an almost capped haste set
For starters u would not need to consider rappidus dagger, yes it is good but not better. Depending on ur atma choices (genrally Apoc, RR and TH atma for TH) and ur gear u should be @ cap or almost near enough that ur atmas kick in to give u the extra kick u need.
I for one would go for the triplus dagger purely for the TA stack on to apoc, and twilights quadruple chance givin u the edge of nonstop hit with an almost capped haste set
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I'm assuming this is for offhand, in which case tirplus pretty much wins.
Triplus is comfortably better than either. Rapidus vs Auric is situational. Need acc/haste? Rapidus. Else Auric will likely win.
If Triplus, Rapidus and Auric are your current options available I'd suggest mainhanding Auric and subbing Triplus.
Rapidus has a really nice low delay but also has low base damage. Auric has higher damage, high delay but the DW enhancement helps narrow it down a bit and the extra 10 Subtle Blow is marvellous for soloing, lowmanning etc.
Triplus has well rounded delay and base damage, although considerably lower than most common mainhand daggers.
STR Kila is one of your easiest bets as upgrade
Rapidus has a really nice low delay but also has low base damage. Auric has higher damage, high delay but the DW enhancement helps narrow it down a bit and the extra 10 Subtle Blow is marvellous for soloing, lowmanning etc.
Triplus has well rounded delay and base damage, although considerably lower than most common mainhand daggers.
STR Kila is one of your easiest bets as upgrade
Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
I would use Auric sub rapidus for TH proccing. Fast delay made faster with dual weild + and since dmg won't affect TH + in any way
Except that...triplus 3% TA will increase swing rate more thn 1% haste from rapidus.
In order
Triplus > Auric > Rapidus
Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
I would use Auric sub rapidus for TH proccing. Fast delay made faster with dual weild + and since dmg won't affect TH + in any way
If you are ONLY trying to proc TH you'd be best off single-wielding. You can only proc TH once per attack round.
Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
seiri said:
Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
I would use Auric sub rapidus for TH proccing. Fast delay made faster with dual weild + and since dmg won't affect TH + in any way
Except that...triplus 3% TA will increase swing rate more thn 1% haste from rapidus.
In order
Triplus > Auric > Rapidus
Phoenix.Kirana said:
Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
I would use Auric sub rapidus for TH proccing. Fast delay made faster with dual weild + and since dmg won't affect TH + in any way
If you are ONLY trying to proc TH you'd be best off single-wielding. You can only proc TH once per attack round.
Single-wielding a 150 delay weapon will give you many more attack rounds than dual wielding anything...
seiri said:
Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
I would use Auric sub rapidus for TH proccing. Fast delay made faster with dual weild + and since dmg won't affect TH + in any way
If my math was correct rapidus will give you about 2 more swings per minute than triplus even after adding in the 3% triple rate. Not monumentally different, but rapidus still wins in that category.
DPS wise they're virtually the same. Triplus barely wins if you're capped on haste/acc because of its triple attack damage and giving you a slightly better chance to triple WSs. If you're not capped on acc rapidus wins.
I have both and personally go with triplus offhand.
DPS wise they're virtually the same. Triplus barely wins if you're capped on haste/acc because of its triple attack damage and giving you a slightly better chance to triple WSs. If you're not capped on acc rapidus wins.
I have both and personally go with triplus offhand.
I picked up a Triplus lastnight which leaves me in a bit of a dilemma.
I have Rapidus, Twilight and Triplus now as off-hand choices for thf, which out of the 3 is best? I have capped haste so I haven't used Rapidus for awhile now. So basically, which is better, Triplus or Twilight.
I have Rapidus, Twilight and Triplus now as off-hand choices for thf, which out of the 3 is best? I have capped haste so I haven't used Rapidus for awhile now. So basically, which is better, Triplus or Twilight.
Asura.Calatilla said:
I picked up a Triplus lastnight which leaves me in a bit of a dilemma.
I have Rapidus, Twilight and Triplus now as off-hand choices for thf, which out of the 3 is best? I have capped haste so I haven't used Rapidus for awhile now. So basically, which is better, Triplus or Twilight.
I have Rapidus, Twilight and Triplus now as off-hand choices for thf, which out of the 3 is best? I have capped haste so I haven't used Rapidus for awhile now. So basically, which is better, Triplus or Twilight.
Triplus I belive
thats bs i've had TH proc on second hit several times and had it proc on off hand.
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isn't that still one hit per attack round?
Caitsith.Agramon said:
thats bs i've had TH proc on second hit several times and had it proc on off hand.
on hand hit, off hand hit = 1 round
can proc on EITHER hit but its still once a round
I has 'nother question, lol. Since I don't have heroes of abyssea (lol@me, right?), I can get a STR kila, but what would you guys suggest for offhand? Auric, Rapidus? Excluding THF knife, of course. lol
$$ HoA > Triplus > Twilight :P
Auric for tanking, Rapidus for fast meleeing or TH procing
Auric for tanking, Rapidus for fast meleeing or TH procing
Asura.Calatilla said:
So basically, which is better, Triplus or Twilight.
I believe pretty much everyone's come to my side (Triplus) for that debate.
Sylph.Binckry said:
I has 'nother question, lol. Since I don't have heroes of abyssea (lol@me, right?), I can get a STR kila, but what would you guys suggest for offhand? Auric, Rapidus? Excluding THF knife, of course. lol
Between those two, with a STR Kila, I'd go with Rapidus but that's a guess.
Rapidus all the way for offhand. Low delay, haste, 12 acc, decent dmg. Triplus is close but from testing that I have heard of, Rapidus has always come out on top. I would never touch auric... ever. You lose way too much using that dagger on thf. STR kila? Make yourself a DEX kila and you will be 100x happier with the results for main hand.
Your offhand dagger is meant to be a dagger that lowers the overall delay of your dual wield while providing some extra damage.
Your offhand dagger is meant to be a dagger that lowers the overall delay of your dual wield while providing some extra damage.
I might add rapidus also allows you to cap gear haste with using nusku's sash for more DW without having to resort to zelus or haste atma. On top of it's other benefits
Titan.Eiryn said:
Rapidus all the way for offhand. Low delay, haste, 12 acc, decent dmg. Triplus is close but from testing that I have heard of, Rapidus has always come out on top. I would never touch auric... ever. You lose way too much using that dagger on thf. STR kila? Make yourself a DEX kila and you will be 100x happier with the results for main hand.
Your offhand dagger is meant to be a dagger that lowers the overall delay of your dual wield while providing some extra damage.
Your offhand dagger is meant to be a dagger that lowers the overall delay of your dual wield while providing some extra damage.
Rapidus only wins if you need the accuracy and haste, however those can be capped easily with other gear, in which case triplus wins easily. All that a dex kila gives you is more acc, which you can also cap easily with other gear (your dDex should be capped as well, so no crit rate increase). Attack is hard to cap on single-hand jobs, which means str kila does a lot for DPS.
Phoenix.Kirana said:
Titan.Eiryn said:
Rapidus all the way for offhand. Low delay, haste, 12 acc, decent dmg. Triplus is close but from testing that I have heard of, Rapidus has always come out on top. I would never touch auric... ever. You lose way too much using that dagger on thf. STR kila? Make yourself a DEX kila and you will be 100x happier with the results for main hand.
Your offhand dagger is meant to be a dagger that lowers the overall delay of your dual wield while providing some extra damage.
Your offhand dagger is meant to be a dagger that lowers the overall delay of your dual wield while providing some extra damage.
Rapidus only wins if you need the accuracy and haste, however those can be capped easily with other gear, in which case triplus wins easily. All that a dex kila gives you is more acc, which you can also cap easily with other gear (your dDex should be capped as well, so no crit rate increase). Attack is hard to cap on single-hand jobs, which means str kila does a lot for DPS.
Yes, but having your acc/haste on a nice dagger gives you better options for gear that you couldn't use before. If you are tanking on thf, then I might agree with a STR kila, but when you are able to SA, Dex kila will beat that str/attack every time.
One thing I cannot wait for is when content shifts out of abyssea and about 90% of the THF out there lose all their DPS and don't have the gear to bring it back.
doesn't attack do quite a lot for sa? not to mention that just because you're able to sneak attack doesn't mean that you won't be meleeing at all.
near perfect to perfect augmented yataghan :D ?
Ramuh.Lorzy said:
doesn't attack do quite a lot for sa? not to mention that just because you're able to sneak attack doesn't mean that you won't be meleeing at all.
Phoenix.Kirana said:
Titan.Eiryn said:
Rapidus all the way for offhand. Low delay, haste, 12 acc, decent dmg. Triplus is close but from testing that I have heard of, Rapidus has always come out on top. I would never touch auric... ever. You lose way too much using that dagger on thf. STR kila? Make yourself a DEX kila and you will be 100x happier with the results for main hand. Your offhand dagger is meant to be a dagger that lowers the overall delay of your dual wield while providing some extra damage.
Just because you are hitting alot doesn't mean you are capping. But don't trust me. Parse your fights against most Heros Nms.
Ramuh.Lorzy said:
doesn't attack do quite a lot for sa? not to mention that just because you're able to sneak attack doesn't mean that you won't be meleeing at all.
If this ability is used by a Thief, the next strike will also receive a bonus of 1 base weapon damage for every point of DEX the player has when the attack hits.
Base weapon dmg > attack
To be perfectly honest, most of this discussion is moot due to the fact that gear is not taken into consideration. If you have 5/5 Emp+2 and twilight belt, you are only at 23% haste. Tiercel necklace and Rapidus put you at 25% and still give you nice stats. That leaves your earring/ring/back/ammo slots that you can use for extra damage. Atheling for back, suppa/brutal for earring, epona's/rajas for ring and you really don't have a lot more options for TP. Having 12 acc and 1% haste on a dagger looks really nice in this setup, but not everyone has this.
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