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 Ragnarok.Tuvae
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By Ragnarok.Tuvae 2011-03-23 17:08:43
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Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
ok cool, I've been totally undershooting how awesome haste is then if that's true, still does anyone have a source, I'm a skeptic. ><;
Im curious to see your gear sets.
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By Sylph.Beowulffairy 2011-03-23 17:09:08
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Bismarck.Daffel said:
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
-Does anyone have a credible source to show that haste is greater than dbl. att.?

Unbelievable

This is going to take another 32 pages xD

If this forum is full of trolls it will take another 32 pages ya, or it can be solved in ONE post
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By Titan.Radatz 2011-03-23 17:09:43
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O LAWDY this thread just keeps getting moar and moar betterer, dont get me wrong im not gonna be throwing big numbers your way cause i can barely count to 10, unless im wearing sandles, then sumtiemz i can count to 20 :o im just here for the lulz
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By Bismarck.Rinkydink 2011-03-23 17:09:45
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ok ok let me try this in laymans terms.. which is hard cos im knackered

you hit once every 2 seconds for 100
you occasionally hit twice every 2 seconds for 100
or you hit
once every second for 100


which would you chose?
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-03-23 17:10:13
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The graphs on the earlier pages are correct.
That's how much better haste is than double attack.
No, not trolling, it's real.
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By Sylph.Beowulffairy 2011-03-23 17:10:34
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Ragnarok.Tuvae said:
Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
ok cool, I've been totally undershooting how awesome haste is then if that's true, still does anyone have a source, I'm a skeptic. ><;
Im curious to see your gear sets.
I'm only at around 14% haste atm, but that will change if i get a credible source.
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By Caitsith.Linear 2011-03-23 17:10:57
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What's this? Someone that LISTENS?!

/faint
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By Titan.Radatz 2011-03-23 17:11:17
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dont answer that ITSA TARP!
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-03-23 17:11:41
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Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
Ragnarok.Tuvae said:
Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
ok cool, I've been totally undershooting how awesome haste is then if that's true, still does anyone have a source, I'm a skeptic. ><;
Im curious to see your gear sets.
I'm only at around 14% haste atm, but that will change if i get a credible source.

The graphs are credible.

This have been common knowledge on forums/amongst non-stupid players since forever.
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By Sylph.Beowulffairy 2011-03-23 17:11:46
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
The graphs on the earlier pages are correct.
That's how much better haste is than double attack.
No, not trolling, it's real.
The graphs explain nothing, just an image forgetting to show the haste cap
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-23 17:11:51
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Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
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Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
oh ya didn't want to forget those graphs on page 1~2 are a joke, they are saying that haste is exponentially greater, that's like saying over time your damage becomes infinite...
the faster you go the more DPS you put in .. if there wasnt a cap then you would pretty much never stop hitting...
So haste builds over time, it's not a constant?
as much as i appreciate your help and thank you. haste is indeed exponential. take this extreme and ridiculous example (but it proves the points):
0% haste vs 5% haste is ~5.26% increase in attack speed
50% haste vs 55% haste is ~11.11% increase in attack speed
90% haste vs 95% haste is ~100% increase in attack speed
The 'quality' of every % of haste increases with the total.
so in situations that you're not capping haste, but getting high haste with buffs, it's superior over most things.
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By Bismarck.Rinkydink 2011-03-23 17:12:36
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Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
Ragnarok.Tuvae said:
Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
ok cool, I've been totally undershooting how awesome haste is then if that's true, still does anyone have a source, I'm a skeptic. ><;
Im curious to see your gear sets.
I'm only at around 14% haste atm, but that will change if i get a credible source.
Go Crazy
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By Bahamut.Wakabo 2011-03-23 17:13:20
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This ***is still going on?
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By Purpleeyes 2011-03-23 17:13:30
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Damn this thread is still going on O.O
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By Bismarck.Nexdeus 2011-03-23 17:13:33
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Damn, wtf is with all the stupid people in this thread. Did you all forget that FULL Heca set is the way to go?
the Slow = Haste*2, then you Divide by Zero

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By Xana 2011-03-23 17:16:59
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By Bismarck.Nexdeus 2011-03-23 17:17:10
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Also to the retard with the mohawk, gtfo you *** noob, good god man. You and your *** perle gear. You want credibility, go outside, and rotate your arms in circles. Move them faster little by little, the faster you rotate, the more air you displace. Now jerk your arm while its rotating, pretend thats a double attack round. Now only do this about once every 10 rotations.



...




Wait for it...





The cops should be coming to arrest the crazy person that's swinging their arms around and flailing like a crazy person!
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2011-03-23 17:17:25
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Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
Ragnarok.Tuvae said:
Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
ok cool, I've been totally undershooting how awesome haste is then if that's true, still does anyone have a source, I'm a skeptic. ><;
Im curious to see your gear sets.
I'm only at around 14% haste atm, but that will change if i get a credible source.

Double Attack:

Diminishing returns per % added (not to the proc rate, but to the overall effect on DPS). Basically, you'd gain practically nothing going from 99% DA to 100%, you're probably going to DA anyway.

Adding 50% DA is 50/100*100 so roughly 50% increase to DPS.

Edit: The cumulative effect over previous value diminishes per % added.

Haste:

Adding 50% Haste isn't attacking 50% faster, it's 50/50*100 = 100%.
You are attacking twice as fast, a 100% gain.
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By Alexander.Xgalahadx 2011-03-23 17:21:57
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Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
The graphs on the earlier pages are correct.
That's how much better haste is than double attack.
No, not trolling, it's real.
The graphs explain nothing, just an image forgetting to show the haste cap
I've explained the math of why it is multiple times in this thread. Guys this really shouldn't of had 33 pages. :/


Alexander.Xgalahadx said:

Double attack works like this.

Assume a base rate of 100 swings.

Now add 1%

101 swings in the same period, which is a increase of (1/100) 1%

Now add 1%

102 swings in the same period, which is a increase of (1/101) 0.99%

Now add 1%

103 swings in the same period, which is a increase of (1/102) 0.98%

And so on
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-23 17:23:21
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Alexander.Xgalahadx said:
Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
The graphs on the earlier pages are correct.
That's how much better haste is than double attack.
No, not trolling, it's real.
The graphs explain nothing, just an image forgetting to show the haste cap
I've explained the math of why it is multiple times in this thread. Guys this really shouldn't of had 33 pages. :/
lol cause the only thing that had to do with haste was hasso, which i wasn't comparing to DA. but it's all good.
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By Sylph.Beowulffairy 2011-03-23 17:23:37
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Bismarck.Rinkydink said:
Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
Ragnarok.Tuvae said:
Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
ok cool, I've been totally undershooting how awesome haste is then if that's true, still does anyone have a source, I'm a skeptic. ><;
Im curious to see your gear sets.
I'm only at around 14% haste atm, but that will change if i get a credible source.
Go Crazy

Thanks, I might find something worthwhile in the 10 more forums on this page, lol.



To Nexdeus, troll harder.
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By Ragnarok.Tuvae 2011-03-23 17:23:38
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Cant wait for Tiger to get back. Hes gunna shoot himself >.>
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By Bismarck.Rinkydink 2011-03-23 17:24:30
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Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
Bismarck.Rinkydink said:
Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
Ragnarok.Tuvae said:
Sylph.Beowulffairy said:
ok cool, I've been totally undershooting how awesome haste is then if that's true, still does anyone have a source, I'm a skeptic. ><;
Im curious to see your gear sets.
I'm only at around 14% haste atm, but that will change if i get a credible source.
Go Crazy

Thanks, I might find something worthwhile in the 10 more forums on this page, lol.



To Nexdeus, troll harder.

kinda my point.. theres plenty of evidence in there as to why one thing is better than another.. lets just say.. HASTE is good




Tuv..

i think he has...

he'd have a *** fit then scream shout then fit some more
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By Bismarck.Strange 2011-03-23 17:25:33
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tiger quit this thread on page 1
 Ragnarok.Tuvae
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By Ragnarok.Tuvae 2011-03-23 17:26:56
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Tiger was here till like page 26 o.o
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By Bismarck.Strange 2011-03-23 17:27:50
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>.> really? i guess i stopped reading after he said he was done with the dude
edit: i just checked page 26, no tiger post
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By Lakshmi.Blacklion 2011-03-23 17:30:48
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Lions are cooler than tigers anyway, And This post needs to die @__@.
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By Ragnarok.Tuvae 2011-03-23 17:31:30
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Bismarck.Strange said:
>.> really? i guess i stopped reading after he said he was done with the dude
edit: i just checked page 26, no tiger post
Near page 26 >.> He was here for a long time. lol
Lakshmi.Blacklion said:
Lions are cooler than tigers anyway, And This post needs to die @__@.
Not till we hit page 34.
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By Bismarck.Rinkydink 2011-03-23 17:32:36
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how many more posts is that then tuv?
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By Bismarck.Daffel 2011-03-23 17:33:04
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Ragnarok.Tuvae said:
Bismarck.Strange said:
>.> really? i guess i stopped reading after he said he was done with the dude
edit: i just checked page 26, no tiger post
Near page 26 >.> He was here for a long time. lol
Lakshmi.Blacklion said:
Lions are cooler than tigers anyway, And This post needs to die @__@.
Not till we hit page 34.

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