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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-10-31 13:17:48
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I think you'r the one that dont understand that we'r trying to say the difference is so tiny it have NO MEANING WHATSOEVER.
It does NOT affect your time playing on a PC, even tho you might have 0.2sec delay on mobs popping, or a tiny tiny graphical glitch somewhere.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 13:19:45
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:

I'm not making stuff up, just because you're too *** stupid to understand it. The game doesn't run as well on the pc as it does on the ps2, I made no claim as to it didn't run decently on the pc. When I say graphics aside the ps2 is better, I do not need to include graphics into the consideration, so seriously shut up.

When we make up stuff, and ignore all the aspects we conveniently want to ignore, we can prove a lot of things. Flawless logic.

You're doing it wrong~
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:21:55
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Asura.Bartimaeus said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
I'd like to thank Bartimaeus for being civil. Just saying.

Don't mean to be a creeper, but thanks. If people are going to accuse you of being stubborn and not listening, they'd better not express themselves in a similar manner.

Again, I can't say I agree with you on a whole about your argument but there's a few things to consider:

- One is how you frame the ps2 vs. pc debate (whether you mean stability alone, or graphics, or both)

- Two is that I've honestly never played it on a console. It's an obvious bias since I'm a PC fanatic.

Either way this is going in circles and given everyones OBVIOUS mood in their posts nobody is going to budge. Am I wrong? Which one of you is going to go

"OH! Wait.. yeah. Of course. You are right, nevermind everything I said."

Just let it go .:/



I've stated from the start that graphics weren't part of the consideration, only a fool would say the game looks better on the ps2, when it obviously doesn't.
I've multiboxed the game side by side for years, (even with 360, since it does look better than the ps2, and my ps2 is dying so I didn't want to ruin it for when I wanted to play my other ps2 games) and the other systems just lag slightly behind the ps2 on things from zoning to mob spawning, may be the more data to buffer, may be due to the extra layer of processing it takes on the other two, I'm not going to reverse engineer the thing to find out.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:22:57
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
I think you'r the one that dont understand that we'r trying to say the difference is so tiny it have NO MEANING WHATSOEVER.
It does NOT affect your time playing on a PC, even tho you might have 0.2sec delay on mobs popping, or a tiny tiny graphical glitch somewhere.
that sir is purely opinion, whether the difference in gameplay is enough is subjective.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:24:03
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Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:

I'm not making stuff up, just because you're too *** stupid to understand it. The game doesn't run as well on the pc as it does on the ps2, I made no claim as to it didn't run decently on the pc. When I say graphics aside the ps2 is better, I do not need to include graphics into the consideration, so seriously shut up.

When we make up stuff, and ignore all the aspects we conveniently want to ignore, we can prove a lot of things. Flawless logic.

You're doing it wrong~
not making anything up, ignoring graphics due to the fact that you can't compare them (and it would be silly to) and they don't make or break games.
You're an idiot.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-10-31 13:24:56
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
I think you'r the one that dont understand that we'r trying to say the difference is so tiny it have NO MEANING WHATSOEVER.
It does NOT affect your time playing on a PC, even tho you might have 0.2sec delay on mobs popping, or a tiny tiny graphical glitch somewhere.
that sir is purely opinion, whether the difference in gameplay is enough is subjective.

And that sir is your opinion.

This fight is like people arguing about if there is a god or not.

I'm out, just getting HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE :P
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 13:26:55
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:

I'm not making stuff up, just because you're too *** stupid to understand it. The game doesn't run as well on the pc as it does on the ps2, I made no claim as to it didn't run decently on the pc. When I say graphics aside the ps2 is better, I do not need to include graphics into the consideration, so seriously shut up.

When we make up stuff, and ignore all the aspects we conveniently want to ignore, we can prove a lot of things. Flawless logic.

You're doing it wrong~
not making anything up, ignoring graphics due to the fact that you can't compare them (and it would be silly to) and they don't make or break games.
You're an idiot.

Calm down, you seem mad again.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:27:07
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
I think you'r the one that dont understand that we'r trying to say the difference is so tiny it have NO MEANING WHATSOEVER.
It does NOT affect your time playing on a PC, even tho you might have 0.2sec delay on mobs popping, or a tiny tiny graphical glitch somewhere.
that sir is purely opinion, whether the difference in gameplay is enough is subjective.

And that sir is your opinion.

This fight is like people arguing about if there is a god or not.

I'm out, just getting HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE :P
no, whether or not somebody thinks a difference is big enough to play or not is an opinion, the fact there is a difference is not.

You came here being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-10-31 13:28:08
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
I think you'r the one that dont understand that we'r trying to say the difference is so tiny it have NO MEANING WHATSOEVER.
It does NOT affect your time playing on a PC, even tho you might have 0.2sec delay on mobs popping, or a tiny tiny graphical glitch somewhere.
that sir is purely opinion, whether the difference in gameplay is enough is subjective.

And that sir is your opinion.

This fight is like people arguing about if there is a god or not.

I'm out, just getting HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE :P
no, whether or not somebody thinks a difference is big enough to play or not is an opinion, the fact there is a difference is not.

You came here being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.

I dont think less than 1fps better on avarage is worth anything. >_>
Oh well.. Have fun beeing HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE :P
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:28:51
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
I think you'r the one that dont understand that we'r trying to say the difference is so tiny it have NO MEANING WHATSOEVER.
It does NOT affect your time playing on a PC, even tho you might have 0.2sec delay on mobs popping, or a tiny tiny graphical glitch somewhere.
that sir is purely opinion, whether the difference in gameplay is enough is subjective.

And that sir is your opinion.

This fight is like people arguing about if there is a god or not.

I'm out, just getting HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE :P
no, whether or not somebody thinks a difference is big enough to play or not is an opinion, the fact there is a difference is not.

You came here being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.

I dont think less than 1fps better on avarage is worth anything. >_>
Oh well.. Have fun beeing HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE :P
that's your opinion. Also it's average, and being. Retard.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 13:30:18
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Jeta is incapable of realizing that he's actually proving us right with every post he makes.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:31:13
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Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Jeta is incapable of realizing that he's actually proving us right with every post he makes.
negative, and you're an idiot who can't get my name right, so who's going to listen to you?
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:32:08
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
I think you'r the one that dont understand that we'r trying to say the difference is so tiny it have NO MEANING WHATSOEVER.
It does NOT affect your time playing on a PC, even tho you might have 0.2sec delay on mobs popping, or a tiny tiny graphical glitch somewhere.
that sir is purely opinion, whether the difference in gameplay is enough is subjective.

And that sir is your opinion.

This fight is like people arguing about if there is a god or not.

I'm out, just getting HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE :P
no, whether or not somebody thinks a difference is big enough to play or not is an opinion, the fact there is a difference is not.

You came here being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.

I dont think less than 1fps better on avarage is worth anything. >_>
Oh well.. Have fun beeing HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE :P
opinion.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-10-31 13:35:42
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
I think you'r the one that dont understand that we'r trying to say the difference is so tiny it have NO MEANING WHATSOEVER.
It does NOT affect your time playing on a PC, even tho you might have 0.2sec delay on mobs popping, or a tiny tiny graphical glitch somewhere.
that sir is purely opinion, whether the difference in gameplay is enough is subjective.

And that sir is your opinion.

This fight is like people arguing about if there is a god or not.

I'm out, just getting HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE :P
no, whether or not somebody thinks a difference is big enough to play or not is an opinion, the fact there is a difference is not.

You came here being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.

I dont think less than 1fps better on avarage is worth anything. >_>
Oh well.. Have fun beeing HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE :P
opinion.

Jeta <333333333

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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:37:05
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
I think you'r the one that dont understand that we'r trying to say the difference is so tiny it have NO MEANING WHATSOEVER.
It does NOT affect your time playing on a PC, even tho you might have 0.2sec delay on mobs popping, or a tiny tiny graphical glitch somewhere.
that sir is purely opinion, whether the difference in gameplay is enough is subjective.

And that sir is your opinion.

This fight is like people arguing about if there is a god or not.

I'm out, just getting HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE :P
no, whether or not somebody thinks a difference is big enough to play or not is an opinion, the fact there is a difference is not.

You came here being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.

I dont think less than 1fps better on avarage is worth anything. >_>
Oh well.. Have fun beeing HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE :P
opinion.

Jet <333333333
you're right
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 13:38:11
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Jeta is incapable of realizing that he's actually proving us right with every post he makes.
negative, and you're an idiot who can't get my name right, so who's going to listen to you?

Not that it matters to me;however, I'm fairly certain that everyone here is on my side with regards to this "argument."

It's a shame, but it's really impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you. I suppose you're just not well educated.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:42:43
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Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Jeta is incapable of realizing that he's actually proving us right with every post he makes.
negative, and you're an idiot who can't get my name right, so who's going to listen to you?

Not that it matters to me;however, I'm fairly certain that everyone here is on my side with regards to this "argument."

It's a shame, but it's really impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you. I suppose you're just not well educated.
Nobody with a brain would be "on your side" also right back at ya guy.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-10-31 13:42:49
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XI runs better on PS2? What is this nonsense?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 13:44:40
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Jeta is incapable of realizing that he's actually proving us right with every post he makes.
negative, and you're an idiot who can't get my name right, so who's going to listen to you?

Not that it matters to me;however, I'm fairly certain that everyone here is on my side with regards to this "argument."

It's a shame, but it's really impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you. I suppose you're just not well educated.
Nobody with a brain would be "on your side" also right back at ya guy.

Opinion != fact.

Fact is: You're doing it wrong~
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:44:47
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Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
XI runs better on PS2? What is this nonsense?
basically put, the game itself runs better (most people would never notice it). To save some effort, in a few weeks I'll be making videos of the game on multiple instances of the game side by side.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:45:38
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Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Jeta is incapable of realizing that he's actually proving us right with every post he makes.
negative, and you're an idiot who can't get my name right, so who's going to listen to you?

Not that it matters to me;however, I'm fairly certain that everyone here is on my side with regards to this "argument."

It's a shame, but it's really impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you. I suppose you're just not well educated.
Nobody with a brain would be "on your side" also right back at ya guy.

Opinion != fact.

Fact is: You're doing it wrong~
anyone who would listen to a guy who's too stupid to get a name right, is equally an idiot.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 13:47:06
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....

You're free to play on whatever system you want; however, claiming that this game sucks on PC and that it is actually better on PS2 is just wrong, such claims are ridiculous.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-10-31 13:47:34
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
XI runs better on PS2? What is this nonsense?
basically put, the game itself runs better (most people would never notice it). To save some effort, in a few weeks I'll be making videos of the game on multiple instances of the game side by side.

Depends what your definition of better is, same deal with the Xbox 360 version, there are less displayed Polys to keep the frame rate higher with weaker processors. Textures are lower resolution too,if you have a good PC, a comparison between the two wouldn't even happen. Max settings on PC with zero slow down is better.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:47:58
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Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
....

You're free to play on whatever system you want; however, claiming that this game sucks on PC and that it is actually better on PS2 is just wrong, such claims are ridiculous.
I said the game runs better on the ps2, which you cannot deny.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 13:50:15
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Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
XI runs better on PS2? What is this nonsense?
basically put, the game itself runs better (most people would never notice it). To save some effort, in a few weeks I'll be making videos of the game on multiple instances of the game side by side.

Depends what your definition of better is, same deal with the Xbox 360 version, there are less displayed Polys to keep the frame rate higher with weaker processors. Textures are lower resolution too,if you have a good PC, a comparison between the two wouldn't even happen. Max settings on PC with zero slow down is better.

A noble attempt Darka, but just letting you know... he's just not going to listen no matter what.

He's conveniently ignoring most, if not all, of the positive aspects of the PC version.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:50:23
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Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
XI runs better on PS2? What is this nonsense?
basically put, the game itself runs better (most people would never notice it). To save some effort, in a few weeks I'll be making videos of the game on multiple instances of the game side by side.

Depends what your definition of better is, same deal with the Xbox 360 version, there are less displayed Polys to keep the frame rate higher with weaker processors. Textures are lower resolution too,if you have a good PC, a comparison between the two wouldn't even happen. Max settings on PC with zero slow down is better.
I said run better, which has nothing to do with the resolution or graphics in general, the game itself runs better (smoother). The pc version is an emulation of the ps2 version, it's always going to lag behind.
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We can deny that until someone gives any source of proof for it. So far, no one has reported PC issues.

My friend played on PS2 and couldn't get through the lag of a campaign battle without his PS2 overheating and shutting. PS2 IS TEH DEVIL
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:51:19
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Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
XI runs better on PS2? What is this nonsense?
basically put, the game itself runs better (most people would never notice it). To save some effort, in a few weeks I'll be making videos of the game on multiple instances of the game side by side.

Depends what your definition of better is, same deal with the Xbox 360 version, there are less displayed Polys to keep the frame rate higher with weaker processors. Textures are lower resolution too,if you have a good PC, a comparison between the two wouldn't even happen. Max settings on PC with zero slow down is better.

A noble attempt Darka, but just letting you know... he's just not going to listen no matter what.

He's conveniently ignoring most, if not all, of the positive aspects of the PC version.
I don't need to include what all you can do on the pc version when I'm stating it runs better on the ps2, because it does (no matter how small the difference seems to you, there's still a difference)
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:53:03
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Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
We can deny that until someone gives any source of proof for it. So far, no one has reported PC issues.

My friend played on PS2 and couldn't get through the lag of a campaign battle without his PS2 overheating and shutting. PS2 IS TEH DEVIL
for starters it's known that mobs spawn slightly faster on the ps2 version, I've also noted zone loading to be faster. Well that's his ps2.

I've run them side by side for a long time, but to make things easy, just wait until I get the videos made, I'll be ordering the laptop tomorrow (I hope).
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