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Weapon Skill mod & smart gearing
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By Sylph.Washburn 2010-08-10 16:11:23
I've been doing some revamping of my gearing on RNG solely because I have been under the assumption that AGI = Ranged Accuracy, which it always has been, but recently I discovered that all that AGI I was stacking does NOT go toward Ranged Accuracy during a weaponskill, that it is only applied towards modding the WS.
That being said. This poses some questions on the various setups i've tried over the years.
1. If AGI being used for TP = RNG ACC but dosen't = RNG ACC for WS, then it would be smart to use something with AGI and RNG ACC for WS.
2. Hachiryu Sune-ate < Missile Boots for TP?
One thing I have noticed though, I bought Hachiryu legs and feet for RNG a while back, and my WS DMG was slightly higher, but to be honest, it wasn't 20,000,000 gil worth. I was thinking I would be better off with ASA legs or the assault pollywog legs or w/e theyre called.
Has anyone experimented much with the idea that say "DEX = ACC unless your WS needs DEX, then its simply a mod, and nothing more"?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-10 16:12:52
Sylph.Washburn said: but recently I discovered that all that AGI I was stacking does NOT go toward Ranged Accuracy during a weaponskill, that it is only applied towards modding the WS. wut
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-08-10 16:14:17
I'm gunna say I'd like to see some serious testing on such a crazy idea
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-10 16:15:31
Probably something a really uninformed RNG came up with to explain the -40 acc penalty on Slugwinder at 100 TP. If this is true, my Drakesbanes are getting a rather large innate acc boost... I just don't buy it.
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By Sylph.Washburn 2010-08-10 16:31:28
I cant remember which post it was, but a couple weeks ago a RNG was asking about AGI and someone in there mentioned that AGI, which normally works as RNG ACC, didnt carry that role during a WS, that it was strictly a mod.
That was the only time i've ever heard that, and i'm not too sure if it's true or not.
If it is, then TP and WS setups would be changed alot.
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By Sylph.Ashaaman 2010-08-10 16:35:10
Sylph.Washburn said: I cant remember which post it was, but a couple weeks ago a RNG was asking about AGI and someone in there mentioned that AGI, which normally works as RNG ACC, didnt carry that role during a WS, that it was strictly a mod.
That was the only time i've ever heard that, and i'm not too sure if it's true or not.
If it is, then TP and WS setups would be changed alot.
I think that was from the Yoichi RNG who used full AGI to WS in... All I've ever heard AGI would carry the same role in the WS; reason behind saying that... For a WAR which I have leveled, Raging Rush tends to be more accurate than other WS because one of the mods is DEX, but the DEX also adjusts Melee Accuracy, so should be the same for AGI.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-08-10 16:41:29
Sylph.Washburn said: I cant remember which post it was, but a couple weeks ago a RNG was asking about AGI and someone in there mentioned that AGI, which normally works as RNG ACC, didnt carry that role during a WS, that it was strictly a mod.
That was the only time i've ever heard that, and i'm not too sure if it's true or not.
If it is, then TP and WS setups would be changed alot.
It's not true.
AGI give you racc like normal, but it works as a mod aswell.
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-08-10 16:45:51
Sylph.Ashaaman said: I think that was from the Yoichi RNG who used full AGI to WS in... lol Sylph.Ashaaman said: For a WAR which I have leveled, Raging Rush tends to be more accurate than other WS because one of the mods is DEX, but the DEX also adjusts Melee Accuracy Since when O-o
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-08-10 16:47:57
Sylph.Ashaaman said:
For a WAR which I have leveled, Raging Rush tends to be more accurate than other WS because one of the mods is DEX, but the DEX also adjusts Melee Accuracy, so should be the same for AGI.
Raging rush:
Modifiers: STR:35%
Just because it can crit dont make dex a mod*
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By Sylph.Ashaaman 2010-08-10 16:49:47
Meh, w/e, you guys knew what I meant. Still same principles apply.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-08-10 16:50:03
I think he meant cause of the crits.
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-08-10 16:50:37
Any RNG advocating full AGI for WS is doin' it wrong.
As a RNG, fSTR2 is your best friend, and by extension, STR is.
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By Sylph.Washburn 2010-08-10 16:58:55
Cerberus.Kvazz said: Sylph.Washburn said: I cant remember which post it was, but a couple weeks ago a RNG was asking about AGI and someone in there mentioned that AGI, which normally works as RNG ACC, didnt carry that role during a WS, that it was strictly a mod. That was the only time i've ever heard that, and i'm not too sure if it's true or not. If it is, then TP and WS setups would be changed alot. It's not true. AGI give you racc like normal, but it works as a mod aswell.
I understand that it does both, but during WS does it do both simultaneously?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-08-10 17:06:28
Shiva.Daimos said: Any RNG advocating full AGI for WS is doin' it wrong. As a RNG, fSTR2 is your best friend, and by extension, STR is. Assuming you aren't capped... which is kinda easy for gun rngs too do
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-08-10 17:12:10
Sylph.Washburn said: Cerberus.Kvazz said: Sylph.Washburn said: I cant remember which post it was, but a couple weeks ago a RNG was asking about AGI and someone in there mentioned that AGI, which normally works as RNG ACC, didnt carry that role during a WS, that it was strictly a mod. That was the only time i've ever heard that, and i'm not too sure if it's true or not. If it is, then TP and WS setups would be changed alot. It's not true. AGI give you racc like normal, but it works as a mod aswell.
I understand that it does both, but during WS does it do both simultaneously?
I believe that's what Kvazz meant. Anyway, yes... you will get racc, and it will work as a mod on your WS too if your WS has AGI as a modifier.
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-08-10 17:13:37
Uninformed people giving gear advice = confused community
That's along the lines of "WS accuracy" equips only affect the first hit xD
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-08-10 17:29:59
Um... I may have worded that wrong but... I wasn't bashing anyone, except maybe the yoichi rng using full AGI
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-08-10 17:30:02
Sylph.Washburn said:
Instead of bashing everyone's combined efforts to figure out what's best overall, could you add to the success to this thread, rather than trying to make your internet-*** look bigger?
Quote: I hate little ***-for-brains *** like you who respond to someone pointing out huge, gaping chasms in your logic with "OMG IF UR NOT GONNA AGREE WITH ME DONT SAY ANYTHING"
I mean, its just another example of illiteracy run wild in America, but still... quite annoying. Yup
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-08-10 17:30:03
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Sylph.Washburn said: Cerberus.Kvazz said: Sylph.Washburn said: I cant remember which post it was, but a couple weeks ago a RNG was asking about AGI and someone in there mentioned that AGI, which normally works as RNG ACC, didnt carry that role during a WS, that it was strictly a mod. That was the only time i've ever heard that, and i'm not too sure if it's true or not. If it is, then TP and WS setups would be changed alot. It's not true. AGI give you racc like normal, but it works as a mod aswell.
I understand that it does both, but during WS does it do both simultaneously?
I believe that's what Kvazz meant. Anyway, yes... you will get racc, and it will work as a mod on your WS too if your WS has AGI as a modifier.
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I've been doing some revamping of my gearing on RNG solely because I have been under the assumption that AGI = Ranged Accuracy, which it always has been, but recently I discovered that all that AGI I was stacking does NOT go toward Ranged Accuracy during a weaponskill, that it is only applied towards modding the WS.
That being said. This poses some questions on the various setups i've tried over the years.
1. If AGI being used for TP = RNG ACC but dosen't = RNG ACC for WS, then it would be smart to use something with AGI and RNG ACC for WS.
2. Hachiryu Sune-ate < Missile Boots for TP?
One thing I have noticed though, I bought Hachiryu legs and feet for RNG a while back, and my WS DMG was slightly higher, but to be honest, it wasn't 20,000,000 gil worth. I was thinking I would be better off with ASA legs or the assault pollywog legs or w/e theyre called.
Has anyone experimented much with the idea that say "DEX = ACC unless your WS needs DEX, then its simply a mod, and nothing more"?
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