[dev1243] New Job Enhancements: Gifts

Higher ilevel of Incursion would suit people with that gear, but it has nothing really rewarding from it as of now. Why can't you just wait instead of slamming your fists on the table demanding to be fed? They have plans for the game, they aren't sitting there thinking of ways to *** you over so you quit the game. Obviously they are catering more towards the casual crowd because they aren't the ones up in arms every update over the dumbest ***.

Source?



Have you even been in coil?



You're very good at playing the whole "your opinion clashes with mine, therefor you don't have a right to have one" card. Here's the thing princess, that isn't how the world works. get used to it. Also worth noting that I haven't voiced displeasure about the game's updates in many many months, so your hyperbole is lost here.



Source? When did I personally complain about Delve being too hard, and when did anyone who actually enjoyed the challenge complain? We started complaining when they started dumbing it down by adding skill to weapons and ilvl. Not before. Again, maybe you should stop making ***up and misinterpreting people's positions just to try to preach from moral high ground. It's a moronic standpoint and just shows that you're incapable of actual logical argument.

Gift isn't aimed at casual lol, and every update ? I was quite happy when they announced avatar update but after doing the fight once I gave up on XI, this game need a nerf cause tbh even if highest level incursion is "challenging"(honestly it just get more idriss/koga/stun lock ***) it is no different than previous strat we used.

What I'm hoping for is nerf to what make us able to avoid every fight "mechanic" since delve I; honestly we're just too strong at this point and them adding way to just make us stronger without fixing the core issue is poor design.

Just to fuel the fire:

It's kind of odd to complain about FFXI falling off when it introduced 20lvls of ilvl gear then mentioning a preference for FFXIV a game that has 50 lvls of ilvl gear.

Maybe if it were a 1:1 exchange on how you obtain the equipment and the difficulty of the events related to obtaining it. But it isn't. At all.

The issue isn't in the ilvl system itself, it's in the fact that there's no difficult/rewarding feeling content to back it up. Why bother getting the best gear when I can complete everything in sparks gear? What accomplishment is there in overcoming a battle that someone can solo anyway if they just lower the difficulty (most of which not being particularly hard even when you crank them up)?

FFXI's Random Number Generator of rewards knows no peer.

That isn't even it either. Outside of augments you can cap out on gear in mere days because all of the events are easy to complete and they ***gear at astronomical rates. All they really need to do is return to moderately hard content with moderately longlasting drop rates/acquisition methods. I'm not saying lock people out of it, that would be stupid, but something better than what we have now for the hardcores would be nice. At least add a reason to do higher level versions of battles other than making the already fast gear acquisition even faster because it forces drops.

Basically make the fights more of an accomplishment to overcome and make them rewarding without having them be too rewarding.

Oh That argument is slightly skewed by having the luxury of playing with a group of competent players. New players and people in 117 gear have issues on content designed to be won with 110 to 113 gear. Also the RNG comment was made before the edit elaborating your post.


However, we as players can't have it both ways. The original argument people had about FFXI was too much effort and too little reward. Minimal stat increases on gear and horrid drop rates is what most people griped about. We got a new design team they address the issue and now people say its too easy there is not enough incentive to remain etc.

Bottom line the issue is incentives to remain and that is something no designer can fix that is an issue that varies for each individual player/subscriber. Everyone has their reason to stay or leave. There really is no design trick to ensnare people after 12 yrs without a complete overhaul.

so the "competent players" should have to deal with table scraps and filler content because there's someone out there who doesn't want to put in the minimal amount of effort it takes to complete a fight on easy mode? why?

there's making things accessible, and then there's that.

Personally disliked it since day 1. All gear is about the same now, stats aren't even mixed anymore(ie: all hands have high dex low agi, all pants high str chr and no dex, etc); I find myself not able to be wowed by gear anymore which makes me a bit sad.
But it's too late to go back.

This gifts system also rewards those people who decided to get their CP by afk'ing in Outer Raz.

This proves just how much IDGAF that SE is filled with, IMO.

Note: I am not insinuating that everyone with capped JP chose to use third party resources to do so. I just happen to know of more than a few that did.

I commend those who earned theirs the hard way, in fact.

here's the thing, there's a big difference between 0.5% drop rates and 100% drop rates. savvy? you don't need things to drop every time you kill an ark angel, and you don't need things to drop 0.5% of the time. you can make the fight moderately challenging to complete and put the drop rate around 10%-15%.

I have the same issue, I don't even look at new gear anymore, they should have just made what was the same for every ilvl gear of a same slot a stat named "ilvl base stat 119" then add what was specific(they could still do it) but it prolly won't happen

Well you could compare it to FFXI too, you get CP from all kinds of fights now. The main one is Incursion, who is to say the new skirmish won't have a similar CP gain? FFXI had a lot of different things to do too, after Delve we practically had nothing to do until they added skirmish, WKR incentives and other things like Hard mode fights. They continue to add ***every month, next month new skirmish and QoL changes etc. It's only a matter of time until they add something that catches peoples interest again like a new Delve, and at that point we will have a bunch of other things to do like CP farm or new Hard modes.

People are just so emo and doomsdaying right now its crazy. Do you people know patience? They had to do something drastic or the game would not have survived at all. I doubt they are going to give up on it at this point.

No source needed, go look at the damn history of the game. They always add new content, not within a timeframe YOU might like, but they do. People had beaten delve and COMPLAINED there was nothing else to do, despite the difficulty of Delve. I know I personally read posts from Ccl, and many others, that stated they were bored and ffxi was too easy. They obviously aren't going to be pleased, or if they are they will not care to post about it, only when it bothers them. Also, yes I have done Coil, have you done high ilevel Incursion? That game is ***to me, boring and I can't stand it. Doesn't mean I go to their forums and *** 24/7 because I don't care for it.

I'm not arguing that they won't add content, I'm arguing whether or not they'll add fulfilling content. Do you honestly derive tons of enjoyment out of finishing a fight the day it comes out and capping drops on it days later?

Has any of you ever lifted?!

I don't "finish" stuff the day it comes out. I like 18 jobs or so and I keep them well geared so it keeps me busy. I still enjoy myself everyday I play this game and make the best of it. You finish all of Incursion the day it came out? That is pretty impressive. I do want new Delve similar to 1.0, I do want Legion and similar stuff. I know eventually they will add something like that, only a matter of time. If what is currently out doesn't satisfy you, then you can unsub and wait (which it seems you have.) My point is, there's no benefit to coming into EVERY update thread and expressing how much you hate this game and its direction. It's not healthy for you or the game or anyone. It seems all there is now though with these threads, if I'm the only voice of reason then so be it.

A) I don't come in to every update thread with negativity, in fact I've been quite positive until this one and have even continued trying to help other people improve despite not playing the game myself.

B) I don't hate the game, why do you keep saying it? Hating the direction they're going with development (which isn't new, it's been this way for a year now) and hating the game are two different things. If you're the only one saying something, odds are it isn't because you're the "voice of reason". There's a reason people are discontent.

C) Finishing augments from Incursion is not relevant to this. Going in and clearing an easy event dozens of times for a perfect augment isn't the experience I'm looking for, in case you hadn't guessed. I want a hard to overcome battle that is as rewarding to defeat as it is to get the drops from. I'm just as entitled to that desire as anyone else is entitled to their desire for more menial tasks to do unto ad nauseum just to fill the gaps.

Who is capping on drops that fast besides the top 1% clearing VD?
people clearing stuff on VD is rare and tbh the drop rate is far to generous on that setting. Most people can't pull off VD wins so they do stuff on 'D' which has reasonable drops rates but you still get screwed by the random number generator plenty.

I did Ouryu II on 'D' 12 times before I got my chausible. I still have people in my ls that don't have one.

Avatar fights have been out how long now? Still plenty of people doesn't have the quickmagic ring from garuda (ive got only 4 member that have it), there's people that still want Nilas gloves from shiva, etc.

I still have 1 person in my LS that needs a Kyujutsugi because we only did DM twice per week, people still need Trux earring, the list goes on.
Plenty of people have more than enough relevant gear to still chase from the previous content releases, get some perspective.

12 times? Let me tell you how many times I had to kill Byakko for my kitty pants. And that took more time to pop than going and getting a few merits.

The capacity to cap gear quickly is there, just because you can't do it doesn't remove that. Get some perspective?




I'd also like to point out the irony in saying that JP isn't a big deal to get and takes small efforts and then complaining about no one doing shadow lord because it took 20 merits.

Their biggest mistake, IMO, was using ilevel as a substitute for actual levels and level correction. It should simply denote that one item has a higher stat budget than another.

The vast majority of this thread is basically just one enormous logical fallacy, holy ***.

I don't consider the ~5k CP I get in 20 mins of megaboss run efficient. I could say the same for Alluvion skirmish or old ones, or delve, or RoEs or WKRs.
There are a lot of sources of CPs, but aside from Incursion none is really efficient, it's just icing on the cake.

In FFXIV and WoW you can cap the "currency" you're farming with much less effort, doing a variety of stuff that's often very modern, fresh and fun.
Of course that's going to get old as well eventually, but trust me it will take me more.

In FFXI you do have a certain degree of variety, but realistically if you want to farm CP you have only one option: grinding kills of mobs.



You're bringing this too far and misunderstanding me. I'm not doomsdaying FFXI (altough I reckon the situation isn't as bright as it were post SoA launch... I compare it to the pre-launch one)
I apologize if I haven't been too clear but I wasn't trying to criticize FFXI as a whole, I'm in love with this game.
I was talking exclusively about JPs and JP farming.
It's an excessive, unrewarding and anachronistic grind for a 2015 (soon!) game.

Some people expect things to be handled to them with zero grind, and that's wrong (altough I'm not sure how much we can blame them, when SE is at fault for having people grow these habits over the last years) but the current situation isn't right either.

As I've been saying countless times this shouldn't be a "current situation" vs "no grind at all" war. Those are the two extremes, the black and the white.
We should aim for one of the plethora of shades of gray in between.

Because noone really wants the loot besides myself and 1 other person, and in the interest of doing BCs for more important things for other people we don't prioritize SL. Not everyone has the time to do merits as often as me even if I find them easy, not seein much irony here

All 50 of them?

Pls no.

Well ***. It's almost like someone has been saying this the entire bloody time with people saying "but it only takes like an hour of your time, who cares!!"

Except in the case of 20 merits it's more like 10-15 minutes, but whatever

Decide on a standpoint before waffling from one side of the arena to the other, before both sides go after you for the prize money.

Having to grind CP on Rng sounds absolutely horrible, I don't mind doing it on certain jobs like Sam but forcing me to get 50 JPs on every job I play? *** that.