Fasaga said: »
and ~18% behind a tinhhaspa mnk.
Which set/buff did you use? The number seems lower than/about the same as Uson/Bura BLU......
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Which set/buff did you use? The number seems lower than/about the same as Uson/Bura BLU......
Ragnarok.Afania said: »
No....just no. Remember pre-SoA when empy was a requirement to play the job so everyone and their mother live in abyssea for years? Players shouldn't be forced to go back and farm ToAU just to do endgame. Mythic should be a bonus and an option to spend time and money for ppl with too much time/gil, it should never be a requirement for every endgame player.
Agreed, but SE needs to decide what stance they want to take. Early on they said RMEs would be balanced to be a relevant option compared to other 119s, some a lil weaker, some a lil stronger. But we're still at the point where mythics are (largely) miles ahead of other options, with proper support. Incursion as an example, without stuns, mythics prolly aren't worth the trouble. But with proper support backing them up, they completely outclass everything else available, including other relics and empys. They either need other weapons to get closer to that mark, or make them the point of balance when it comes to endgame.
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Ragnarok.Afania said: »
No....just no. Remember pre-SoA when empy was a requirement to play the job so everyone and their mother live in abyssea for years? Players shouldn't be forced to go back and farm ToAU just to do endgame. Mythic should be a bonus and an option to spend time and money for ppl with too much time/gil, it should never be a requirement for every endgame player.
Agreed, but SE needs to decide what stance they want to take. Early on they said RMEs would be balanced to be a relevant option compared to other 119s, some a lil weaker, some a lil stronger. But we're still at the point where mythics are (largely) miles ahead of other options, with proper support. Incursion as an example, without stuns, mythics prolly aren't worth the trouble. But with proper support backing them up, they completely outclass everything else available, including other relics and empys. They either need other weapons to get closer to that mark, or make them the point of balance when it comes to endgame.
They totally do, if alex still cost 20k each, current strength for mythic would be just right. Now that mythic is cheaper than an empy, it really shouldn't be that strong. I hope they can fix the gap after next ilv, empy/relic needs a boost, so does other endgame weapons.
Sylph.Safiyyah said: »
surumaru is just a really well-apportioned weapon. Your statement is true for samurai too. Only Koga really beats Tsurumaru. Amano and Masamune do not.
I don't disagree with this, I was more talking between jobs. Tinhapsa MNK should be able to remain competitve with Tsurumaru. However a WAR DRK or DRG without a mythic is barely even a DD by today's standards, and getting one doesn't automatically guarantee you're the top of the foodchain against your non-mythic friends(when a Koga SAM loses to a non-mythic they get laughed at, when a WAR does you just feel bad for them cause you know it can happen easily).
Not to sound like a "MNK and SAM only" kind of person as I'm not. Current content doesn't require anywhere near optimal DPS, but everyone would probably have more fun if heavy DD were better balanced.
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ScaevolaBahamut said: »
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Tsurumaru is just a really well-apportioned weapon. Your statement is true for samurai too. Only Koga really beats Tsurumaru. Amano and Masamune do not.
Yes but I think it's kind of overstated. The Save TP's great, yeah, but in practice most SAM gear has so much STP on it that getting 25 TP back on a WS wouldn't involve changing much. I'd WS in the Relic body rather than Phorcys. IMO Amano and Masamune are problematic due to the delay, which is just something particular to those weapons.
Tsurumaru actually give 35 tp back and can do with 0 stp in ws gear wich mean you can go for max dmg on ws too.
Ragnarok.Afania said: »
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
eslim said: »
k.
With Haste + double March, SAM can reliably self-SC without JAs other than Zanhasso, yeah.
ccl said:
I fear that the gap between mythic and non mythic dd will be a lot bigger if they don't do something about it, we might not get a tsurumaru on next ilvl :(
I would not mind seeing the mythic requirements reduced to the point where making one can seriously be considered mandatory for endgame content. Maybe, like, cut all the different currencies to a third of what they are now.
Before everybody huffs and struts around in their big boy pants on me, a major reason the game's so easy right now is that mythics are so powerful, but not attainable enough to balance content around.
No....just no. Remember pre-SoA when empy was a requirement to play the job so everyone and their mother live in abyssea for years? Players shouldn't be forced to go back and farm ToAU just to do endgame. Mythic should be a bonus and an option to spend time and money for ppl with too much time/gil, it should never be a requirement for every endgame player.
It's already to case for "top tier" group it's either koga, ryu, conqueror or tsurumaru fpr all the 132+ /tell I got on Asura :(
Every job need a tsurumaru like weapon compared to the job mythic, or I really fear next ilvl :(
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Berserk needs like job haste. 30% + merits and JP augments are nice but war is kind of slow compared to mnks and sams.
But capped haste? WAR is more powerful than SAMs and MNKs, especially those who are 5 hit WARs with Conqueror.
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Tsurumaru actually give 35 tp back and can do with 0 stp in ws gear wich mean you can go for max dmg on ws too.
The 35 is under Ionis, you only need 25 to secure the 4-hit, and with Relic body you're getting your additional TP back for Overwhelm. It's a wash.
As for max damage on WS, seriously, WS gear for SAM is itemized such that the only thing you'd need to change is the body. It's great that I'm free to WS in Phorcys, but Tsurumaru allowing me to do that is not why SAM is so dominant among sub-mythic DDs. It's because I can self-sc without a JA (which I would still be able to do with another 450+ delay weapon) and my strongest WS chains Light with itself.
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ScaevolaBahamut said: »
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Tsurumaru actually give 35 tp back and can do with 0 stp in ws gear wich mean you can go for max dmg on ws too.
The 35 is under Ionis, you only need 25 to secure the 4-hit, and with Relic body you're getting your additional TP back for Overwhelm. It's a wash.
As for max damage on WS, seriously, WS gear for SAM is itemized such that the only thing you'd need to change is the body. It's great that I'm free to WS in Phorcys, but Tsurumaru allowing me to do that is not why SAM is so dominant among sub-mythic DDs. It's because I can self-sc without a JA (which I would still be able to do with another 450+ delay weapon) and my strongest WS chains Light with itself.
Not only you can ws in max dmg (ifrit+1; ouryu legs; phorcys, duplus) but also can tp in much more da/ta/qa if you only need 21.7 tp/hit instead of 25 wich make tsuru "somewhat close" to mythic da/ta compared to other dd/gkt.
LOL at war buff but I guess its better than nothing. I was hoping they would change back to the pre nerf ukko furry and bloodrage stage.
Chyula said: »
LOL at war buff but I guess its better than nothing. I was hoping they would change back to the pre nerf ukko furry and bloodrage stage.
SE can't allow that, can they?
Sylph.Safiyyah said: »
Bismarck.Inference said: »
When a job requires mythic to remain competitive with a Delve 1.0 drop I think that's kind of a red flag.
Tsurumaru is just a really well-apportioned weapon. Your statement is true for samurai too. Only Koga really beats Tsurumaru. Amano and Masamune do not.
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
eslim said: »
k.
With Haste + double March, SAM can reliably self-SC without JAs other than Zanhasso, yeah.
ccl said:
I fear that the gap between mythic and non mythic dd will be a lot bigger if they don't do something about it, we might not get a tsurumaru on next ilvl :(
I would not mind seeing the mythic requirements reduced to the point where making one can seriously be considered mandatory for endgame content. Maybe, like, cut all the different currencies to a third of what they are now.
Before everybody huffs and struts around in their big boy pants on me, a major reason the game's so easy right now is that mythics are so powerful, but not attainable enough to balance content around.
They kind of did this by letting a lot of Salvage cheaters get 30k worth of alex in a week or two of farming. There are a lot of new mythics. Sadly most of them belong to cheaters.
I thought those cheaters got canned/banned?
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Fasaga said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Berserk needs like job haste. 30% + merits and JP augments are nice but war is kind of slow compared to mnks and sams.
But capped haste? WAR is more powerful than SAMs and MNKs, especially those who are 5 hit WARs with Conqueror.
Pretty sure unless they had prior offenses they got like...a 3-day temp ban.
Ramyrez said: »
Pretty sure unless they had prior offenses they got like...a 3-day temp ban.
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Yup I'm so sad I missed that alex thing I had to work HARD 2 weeks to get gil for alex :(
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Tsurumaru isn't a mythic
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eslim said: »
duplus is bad with mythics, use bloodrain. lenus could b fun but eh..
Tsurumaru isn't a mythic
Asura.Ccl said: »
Yup I'm so sad I missed that alex thing I had to work HARD 2 weeks to get gil for alex :(
I'm sure you also finished all the other items in less than a month also....
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can use that anyway
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ouryu legs;
for a truly game-breaking 2% DA and 8 attack over Wakido +1
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phorcys,
a legit significant piece, but it's not like Relic body's garbage, either
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fair but this means committing to it in your TP set, for whatever that's worth
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but also can tp in much more da/ta/qa if you only need 21.7 tp/hit
But that's just it. Where are we getting this multihit that we couldn't use before, given that we can't help but be soaked in STP? I'll grant Duplus, but we sacrifice nothing to wear Ganesha and Windbuffet as it is.
(given Fudo's fTP now it's not even immediately clear to me you'd want to sacrifice gobs of STP for a slight chance at multihit, but that's another story)
On top of my head at least 12% DA on tp: head(otomi), body(xaddi), earring(trux), grip(duplus) and 2%TA Oneiros ring.
Pretty sure other non mythic dd can't ignore that much stp on tp w/o losing xhit.
Pretty sure other non mythic dd can't ignore that much stp on tp w/o losing xhit.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Asura.Ccl said: »
Yup I'm so sad I missed that alex thing I had to work HARD 2 weeks to get gil for alex :(
I'm sure you also finished all the other items in less than a month also....
clear content on release cause you play with people that can stun, get 10 bole, server hop to server w/o win, sell them 20m each; come back with a koga!(Let's not mention those 20m buyers)
Asura.Ccl said: »
On top of my head at least 12% DA on tp: head(otomi), body(xaddi), earring(trux), grip(duplus) and 2%TA Oneiros ring.
Pretty sure other non mythic dd can't ignore that much stp on tp w/o losing xhit.
Pretty sure other non mythic dd can't ignore that much stp on tp w/o losing xhit.
That's a whole lot of accuracy to dump on anything that matters.
Oneiros is tight though, sure
Is that a trux+trip or trux+brutal combo?
trux+brutal instead of tripudio+brutal, let's not forget the fact that sam get zanhasso(1/4 of zanshin,at least 15%,last on priority proc) and /war(10more da than drg or drk)
maybe i'm a rube but the idea of sacrificing 8 accuracy (steelflash + bladeborn) for 1 DA for like, anything in the game against which i have to actually press buttons is kind of uhhhhh
If we're talking accuracy set, tsuru keep it's 4 hit due to 35 tp return (koga doesn't keep 4hit on accuracy set), other dd lose their xhit too on accuracy set.
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Asura.Ccl said: »
If we're talking accuracy set, tsuru keep it's 4 hit due to 35 tp return (koga doesn't keep 4hit on accuracy set), other dd lose their xhit too on accuracy set.
There is a difference between "a normal set that does not overly prioritize accuracy" and "running around with like 730"
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
maybe i'm a rube but the idea of sacrificing 8 accuracy (steelflash + bladeborn) for 1 DA for like, anything in the game against which i have to actually press buttons is kind of uhhhhh
And Altana spoke unto the heathen masses, "Lo! Let the warriors of light in the world prepare multiple TP sets for multiple levels of monster evasion!"
And so it came to pass - facilitated by the Order of Gearswap and the older, more-established Brotherhood of Text Macros - that Altana's faithful entered battle well-prepared.
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Ramyrez said: »
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
maybe i'm a rube but the idea of sacrificing 8 accuracy (steelflash + bladeborn) for 1 DA for like, anything in the game against which i have to actually press buttons is kind of uhhhhh
And Altana spoke unto the heathen masses, "Lo! Let the warriors of light in the world prepare multiple TP sets for multiple levels of monster evasion!"
And so it came to pass - facilitated by the Order of Gearswap and the older, more-established Brotherhood of Text Macros - that Altana's faithful entered battle well-prepared.
lolfodder
i totally pwned the *** out of those 5 or so normal delve mobs i had to clear today
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