Hades.Excelior said:
Do you know the math for that 14% increase or no? I've parsed it a few years ago when I hit 75 drk vs subduer and it lost by a wide margin. Just curious.
Sure, assuming 150 str and 70 int on spinning slash,you're pretty much comparing 76 (D) + 16 (fstr) + 56 (WSC) which = 148, to 85 (D) + 17 (fstr) + 56 (WSC) which = 158. Then it's 10/148 = 6.75%
Martial's TP bonus is +20% dmg to WS(going from 2.5 ftp to 3.0 ftp), but then the 85dmg on the other GSs give ~6.75% higher than a 76dmg weapon(with no TP bonus), thus 20% - 6.75% = 13.25% ...so my bad, seems more like +12% to ~13% boost over a 85dmg GS realistically, depends on your GS WS gear etc. but the WS dmg with the TP bonus is still decently higher.
I'm human, if I made a mistake there, anyone can point it out..but I'm pretty sure that is right.
And yeah, I think there was something similar posted on BG about this some time ago as well etc.
I seriously doubt that parse you did when you first hit 75drk means anything in regards to this discussion. There are lots of factors that you need to take into account like mobs, situation, difference in gear between players, and I'm almost certain that the parse did not include a 7hit setup among other things.
Valefor.Argettio said:
Martial sword will get decimated unless you 7 hit it.
And 7 hitting it isn't that easy and relies on some new(ish) armour (Aurum body etc)
Also, this. As mentioned Martial "needs" the 7hit to be able to compete, and it needs either 28STP during WS and 21 during WS, OR 27STP during TP and 26STP during WS for a 7hit/6hit rebuild. As mentioned Meditate and absorb-TP favor it more than other GSs because martial does more dmg from WS, and the more your dmg comes from WS, the better it should be logically.
You could use /sam, rajas,brutal, and Aurum body for the +28STP for TP and only needed 21 for WS , though the other option would be: /sam, rajas, brutal, rose strap, and then either chiv chain + ecphoria ring, or white Tathlum, or "maybe" ecphoria ring + attila's earring(if you were able to augment it with something good/decent), that gives the +27STP for TP and then for the 26STP for WS you just need /sam, rajas, brutal, rose strap, and WS in attila's earring, which isn't that bad...this way you can wear Hauberk+1 or Ebody for TP etc.
You can take that however you want, 6hit Naglering only needs 23STP for TP and 22STP for WS, so it's easier to make...that's obvious, but point is: Martial is not "trash" with "the right setup/gear" it's at the very least decent/competitive as long as acc is not a problem IMO etc.