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By Sylph.Sindri 2010-03-19 22:48:30
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All that bothers me is the Christians that think Homosexuality is a sin, which isn't what the bible says. They come in saying your going to hell when really by saying that, they're the ones going to hell. Also it bothers me because my brother told all my friends and family I was and now he expects me to counsel at some dumb church camp.
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By Garuda.Feifongwong 2010-03-19 22:48:49
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Asura.Ludoggy said:
It seems to me that Atheists like to shove their beliefs in my face more often then someone belonging to a religion.
Maybe its because I dont live right next to a bunch of Jehovah witnesses.
Or maybe religious people just arent *** naturally like all these atheists I meet.

It's not that Atheists are ***, but they do want everyone around them to think the same. There are always those that think their belief is the best and only belief. If you don't you're an infidel and must be converted... sound familiar?

Whether or not someone believes in God or doesn't, what's the point of convincing them otherwise. If they believe in God, Jesus and Heaven and that they can live in peace after dying what's wrong with that? Do Atheists really believe that they're saving people by convincing them there is no hope of an after life? The 1 fact is, no one knows what happens when they die.

I'm agnostic, but if someone believes in their religion, if they believe being a good person will let them have peace after dying versus going to hell for being a terrible person, then what is wrong with that?

I'm actually sick of Atheist ***. Some Atheist organization tried to run an ad campaign here that said something like "There is probably no god, so live your life the best you can" I'm glad it was denied. Seems to me that message is exactly what religious people try to do, so what was their point?

Long story short, shoving your beliefs down someone's throat is wrong. If you want to convince someone to change their belief be ready to debate it. You can't change a single person's beliefs without answering their questions and counter arguments..... Or you could take the historic approach and try to kill them all...
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2010-03-19 22:49:18
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Kujata.Erim said:
I'm not talking about Science class. I'm talking about an understanding of moral code, social obligations, etc etc.

Perhaps, "logic" was the better word to use.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2010-03-19 22:51:58
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Sylph.Sindri said:
which isn't what the bible says.
"a man shall not lay with another man" or something like that...sure it doesnt say something about lesbians...but really it says homosexuality=no
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By Asura.Israfel 2010-03-19 22:52:06
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Onoez! Another Religion is Bad! thread lol -_-
I wish people would stop judging religion on the actions of a few instead of looking at each person individually...

I for one am all for religion, and if you don't feel the same way that's fine, but I'm not going to make a thread QQing about how much the path you chose is detrimental to society.
Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Of course... :) Religious people will always try to view atheism as a religion, because they don't know any better.
Well technically Andras is right. Belief doesn't exactly mean 'to put one's faith in something', it's an affirmation like "I believe it to be true - I believe the banana is yellow" for example. There's a whole huge difference between Faith and Belief and I think that's where you're getting confused, but hey; I don't know any better, amirite?

I'd say all religion has its good and bad points, I know for sure that putting my faith in a higher power growing up gave me the courage to get through a lot of tough situations, even if some people don't think it's real, the kind of support and courage I gained from like minded people really helped. It also gave me a good set of morals, a good 'code' to live by as it were.

"Do not kill, do not steal, treat your neighbor as you would like to be treated" doesn't sound too bad, no?
Sadly there's a lot of people in all religions who will only follow what suits them -- That's the problem here, not religion itself.

Sorry for wall of text @_@
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-03-19 22:52:27
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Spaghetti Monster beats all of this!
 
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By Garuda.Feifongwong 2010-03-19 22:54:25
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Asura.Ludoggy said:
Sylph.Sindri said:
which isn't what the bible says.
"a man shall not lay with another man" or something like that...sure it doesnt say something about lesbians...but really it says homosexuality=no


lesbians are cool, but gays... hell no!!

jk jk

Everyone just do and believe what you want. Any further debate is pointless on a subject like this. The topic has been beaten to death repeatably. (Reincarnation anyone? :D)
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By Sylph.Sindri 2010-03-19 22:54:36
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Asura.Ludoggy said:
Sylph.Sindri said:
which isn't what the bible says.
"a man shall not lay with another man" or something like that...sure it doesnt say something about lesbians...but really it says homosexuality=no

It also says Love thy neighbour but homophobic christians throw that right out the door. The fact is it says you may not engage in homosexual acts, when either the christians are thinking about homosexual acts theirs or not, which means theyre commiting them too, or they aren't in which case what proof do you have this person has "lain with another man". None of this really matters, god is as real as vampires and "spirit" wolfs. (Twilight reference, {Found It!})
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-03-19 22:54:59
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Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said:
I once went to school in 3rd grade and had this similar conversation with someone. It went something like:

1."You're stupid!"

2. "No you are!"

So much was accomplished. Later we drank milk at lunch. I thought you all should know.

OMG ME TOO

but it went on longer, pretty much like lines 1 and 2 over and over and over and over and over and over and...
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By Garuda.Feifongwong 2010-03-19 22:55:00
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Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said:
I once went to school in 3rd grade and had this similar conversation with someone. It went something like:

1."You're stupid!"

2. "No you are!"

So much was accomplished. Later we drank milk at lunch. I thought you all should know.


If it wasn't chocolate milk you're an infidel!! REPENT!
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By Ragnarok.Psyence 2010-03-19 22:55:34
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Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said:
I find it to feel like reverse-namecalling when a person without beliefs implies that religion is NOT logical.

It's all good that people have separate views but half the time it's loaded with backhanded insults.

But saying religion has not changed in the same dynamic that science has is just off the mark. Both have been requestioned, reworked, rethought, and made anew. Both help and hurt.

It affects me when ANYONE crosses a line from their view to impose upon mine. Whether you're a Christian condemning me to hell, or an Atheist condemning me to a life of stupidity.

It sure as hell starts to feel like the same ***, from different mouths.

Sorry if it hurts when a significant minority of people gets tired of staying silent and feel the world needs to change. It's happened with feminists, blacks, gays and eventually it will be non-religous people who will finally have their word to say about the world they're forced to live in. People won't be used to it at first, and eventually, things will even out, only for the better.

Sorry again if it hurts when someone makes you feel stupid for clinging to the bronze age. But trust me, no atheist movement will ever burn you for believing or attempt to use it as a tool for crowd control. Because we don't believe doesn't mean we don't think our opinion isn't worth being stated and defended.

I think you reason well and are otherwise very rational Bart. I read your posts and usually agree with most of what you think, but I have to disagree with you on this. It's not because a majority wants a minority to shut up that they should. Is it really about shoving beliefs? Or do we need to wait until someone is 70 before finally telling him that Santa Claus was a story made up by men? Sure it hurts, but is it wrong? More importantly, is it worth waiting?
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By Garuda.Feifongwong 2010-03-19 22:56:39
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Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said:
I find it to feel like reverse-namecalling when a person without beliefs implies that religion is NOT logical.

It's all good that people have separate views but half the time it's loaded with backhanded insults.

But saying religion has not changed in the same dynamic that science has is just off the mark. Both have been requestioned, reworked, rethought, and made anew. Both help and hurt.

It affects me when ANYONE crosses a line from their view to impose upon mine. Whether you're a Christian condemning me to hell, or an Atheist condemning me to a life of stupidity.

It sure as hell starts to feel like the same ***, from different mouths.

Sorry if it hurts when a significant minority of people gets tired of staying silent and feel the world needs to change. It's happened with feminists, blacks, gays and eventualy it will be non-religous people who will finaly have their word to say about the world they're forced to live in. People won't be used to it at first, and eventually, things will even out, only for the better.

Sorry again if it hurts when someone makes you feel stupid for clinging to the bronze age. But trust me, no atheist movement will ever burn you for believing or attempt to use it as a tool crowd control. Because we don't believe doesn't mean we don't think our opinion isn't worth being stated and defended.

I think you reason well and are otherwise very rational Bart. I read your posts and usually agree with most of what you think, but I have to disagree with you on this. It's not because a majority wants a minority to shut up that they should. Is it really about shoving beliefs? Or do we need to wait until someone is 70 before finally telling him that Santa Claus was a story made up by men? Sure it hurts, but is it wrong, and more important, is it worth waiting?


Actually when you realize no one cares, what you believe in you'll be a lot happier.
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By Garuda.Feifongwong 2010-03-19 22:57:19
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Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said:
Garuda.Feifongwong said:
Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said:
I once went to school in 3rd grade and had this similar conversation with someone. It went something like:

1."You're stupid!"

2. "No you are!"

So much was accomplished. Later we drank milk at lunch. I thought you all should know.


If it wasn't chocolate milk you're an infidel!!

What do you think I am? A Christian?! Of course it was. STUPID.

That's right. Don't need any of those normal milk drinking sinners in here.
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By Carbuncle.Sterling 2010-03-19 22:57:27
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Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said:
I find it to feel like reverse-namecalling when a person without beliefs implies that religion is NOT logical.

It's all good that people have separate views but half the time it's loaded with backhanded insults.

But saying religion has not changed in the same dynamic that science has is just off the mark. Both have been requestioned, reworked, rethought, and made anew. Both help and hurt.

It affects me when ANYONE crosses a line from their view to impose upon mine. Whether you're a Christian condemning me to hell, or an Atheist condemning me to a life of stupidity.

It sure as hell starts to feel like the same ***, from different mouths.

Sorry if it hurts when a significant minority of people gets tired of staying silent and feel the world needs to change. It's happened with feminists, blacks, gays and eventually it will be non-religous people who will finally have their word to say about the world they're forced to live in. People won't be used to it at first, and eventually, things will even out, only for the better.

Sorry again if it hurts when someone makes you feel stupid for clinging to the bronze age. But trust me, no atheist movement will ever burn you for believing or attempt to use it as a tool for crowd control. Because we don't believe doesn't mean we don't think our opinion isn't worth being stated and defended.

I think you reason well and are otherwise very rational Bart. I read your posts and usually agree with most of what you think, but I have to disagree with you on this. It's not because a majority wants a minority to shut up that they should. Is it really about shoving beliefs? Or do we need to wait until someone is 70 before finally telling him that Santa Claus was a story made up by men? Sure it hurts, but is it wrong, and more important, is it worth waiting?


I'd be interested to see how much world-changing you can do on an FFXI forum.
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-03-19 22:58:19
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Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said:
I find it to feel like reverse-namecalling when a person without beliefs implies that religion is NOT logical.

It's all good that people have separate views but half the time it's loaded with backhanded insults.

But saying religion has not changed in the same dynamic that science has is just off the mark. Both have been requestioned, reworked, rethought, and made anew. Both help and hurt.

It affects me when ANYONE crosses a line from their view to impose upon mine. Whether you're a Christian condemning me to hell, or an Atheist condemning me to a life of stupidity.

It sure as hell starts to feel like the same ***, from different mouths.

Sorry if it hurts when a significant minority of people gets tired of staying silent and feel the world needs to change. It's happened with feminists, blacks, gays and eventually it will be non-religous people who will finally have their word to say about the world they're forced to live in. People won't be used to it at first, and eventually, things will even out, only for the better.

Sorry again if it hurts when someone makes you feel stupid for clinging to the bronze age. But trust me, no atheist movement will ever burn you for believing or attempt to use it as a tool for crowd control. Because we don't believe doesn't mean we don't think our opinion isn't worth being stated and defended.

I think you reason well and are otherwise very rational Bart. I read your posts and usually agree with most of what you think, but I have to disagree with you on this. It's not because a majority wants a minority to shut up that they should. Is it really about shoving beliefs? Or do we need to wait until someone is 70 before finally telling him that Santa Claus was a story made up by men? Sure it hurts, but is it wrong? More importantly, is it worth waiting?

Oh so churches will shut down and praying will be illegal?

Oh ok...

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By Ragnarok.Psyence 2010-03-19 22:59:47
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Carbuncle.Sterling said:
Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said:
I find it to feel like reverse-namecalling when a person without beliefs implies that religion is NOT logical.

It's all good that people have separate views but half the time it's loaded with backhanded insults.

But saying religion has not changed in the same dynamic that science has is just off the mark. Both have been requestioned, reworked, rethought, and made anew. Both help and hurt.

It affects me when ANYONE crosses a line from their view to impose upon mine. Whether you're a Christian condemning me to hell, or an Atheist condemning me to a life of stupidity.

It sure as hell starts to feel like the same ***, from different mouths.

Sorry if it hurts when a significant minority of people gets tired of staying silent and feel the world needs to change. It's happened with feminists, blacks, gays and eventually it will be non-religous people who will finally have their word to say about the world they're forced to live in. People won't be used to it at first, and eventually, things will even out, only for the better.

Sorry again if it hurts when someone makes you feel stupid for clinging to the bronze age. But trust me, no atheist movement will ever burn you for believing or attempt to use it as a tool for crowd control. Because we don't believe doesn't mean we don't think our opinion isn't worth being stated and defended.

I think you reason well and are otherwise very rational Bart. I read your posts and usually agree with most of what you think, but I have to disagree with you on this. It's not because a majority wants a minority to shut up that they should. Is it really about shoving beliefs? Or do we need to wait until someone is 70 before finally telling him that Santa Claus was a story made up by men? Sure it hurts, but is it wrong, and more important, is it worth waiting?


I'd be interested to see how much world-changing you can do on an FFXI forum.

I'm not going to change the world... I'm one guy. But that's not a good excuse to shut up when I see nonsense going around, especially stuff that affects me directly.
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By Garuda.Feifongwong 2010-03-19 23:00:30
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Ragnarok.Psyence said:
But trust me, no atheist movement will ever burn you for believing or attempt to use it as a tool for crowd control.

Stalin was Atheist...
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-03-19 23:01:19
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Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Carbuncle.Sterling said:
Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said:
I find it to feel like reverse-namecalling when a person without beliefs implies that religion is NOT logical.

It's all good that people have separate views but half the time it's loaded with backhanded insults.

But saying religion has not changed in the same dynamic that science has is just off the mark. Both have been requestioned, reworked, rethought, and made anew. Both help and hurt.

It affects me when ANYONE crosses a line from their view to impose upon mine. Whether you're a Christian condemning me to hell, or an Atheist condemning me to a life of stupidity.

It sure as hell starts to feel like the same ***, from different mouths.

Sorry if it hurts when a significant minority of people gets tired of staying silent and feel the world needs to change. It's happened with feminists, blacks, gays and eventually it will be non-religous people who will finally have their word to say about the world they're forced to live in. People won't be used to it at first, and eventually, things will even out, only for the better.

Sorry again if it hurts when someone makes you feel stupid for clinging to the bronze age. But trust me, no atheist movement will ever burn you for believing or attempt to use it as a tool for crowd control. Because we don't believe doesn't mean we don't think our opinion isn't worth being stated and defended.

I think you reason well and are otherwise very rational Bart. I read your posts and usually agree with most of what you think, but I have to disagree with you on this. It's not because a majority wants a minority to shut up that they should. Is it really about shoving beliefs? Or do we need to wait until someone is 70 before finally telling him that Santa Claus was a story made up by men? Sure it hurts, but is it wrong, and more important, is it worth waiting?


I'd be interested to see how much world-changing you can do on an FFXI forum.

I'm not going to change the world... I'm one guy. But that's not a good excuse to shut up when I see nonsense going around, especially stuff that affects me directly.

Yeah ur really affected
 
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By Ragnarok.Psyence 2010-03-19 23:02:08
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Gilgamesh.Andras said:

Oh so churches will shut down and praying will be illegal?

Do you think heterosexuality will become illegal the day they legalize being gay? Oh wait, they already made it legal.
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-03-19 23:02:41
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Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:

Oh so churches will shut down and praying will be illegal?

Do you think heterosexuality will become illegal the day they legalize being gay? Oh wait, they already made it legal.

Oh... so atheism is illegal now
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By Ragnarok.Psyence 2010-03-19 23:03:16
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Garuda.Feifongwong said:
Ragnarok.Psyence said:
But trust me, no atheist movement will ever burn you for believing or attempt to use it as a tool for crowd control.

Stalin was Atheist...

Did he kill people for being non-atheists?
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By Asura.Israfel 2010-03-19 23:04:02
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I find it hilarious that we don't get Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian etc people in here QQing about how they're so hard-done by and suffering because someone mentioned God or 'a' God. Just the occasional butthurt Atheist that doesn't know how to live and let live...
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By Ragnarok.Psyence 2010-03-19 23:04:17
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Gilgamesh.Andras said:
Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:

Oh so churches will shut down and praying will be illegal?

Do you think heterosexuality will become illegal the day they legalize being gay? Oh wait, they already made it legal.

Oh... so atheism is illegal now

It pretty much was, not so long ago. Unless you don't considered being killed a punishment.
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By Garuda.Feifongwong 2010-03-19 23:04:20
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Ragnarok.Psyence said:
I'm not going to change the world... I'm one guy. But that's not a good excuse to shut up when I see nonsense going around, especially stuff that affects me directly.

Then don't let it affect you. Make a change in your life and take the bad elements affecting you out. It may take time, but rather than complaining and not accomplishing anything. Make the changes you need to so you can enjoy your life.
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-03-19 23:04:24
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Asura.Israfel said:
I find it hilarious that we don't get Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian etc people in here QQing about how they're so hard-done by and suffering because someone mentioned God or 'a' God. Just the occasional butthurt Atheist that doesn't know how to live and let live...
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Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:

Oh so churches will shut down and praying will be illegal?

Do you think heterosexuality will become illegal the day they legalize being gay? Oh wait, they already made it legal.

Oh... so atheism is illegal now

It pretty much was, not so long ago. Unless you don't considered being killed a punishment.

Oh but now it is?
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